war map ref for 1st battalion. The Loyal North Lancashire Rgt

[liverbird]

Hi don't know if anyone can help with this for me as I am getting confused with maps. My husbands grandfather served with the Loyals and is buried in St Mary's Dressing Station at Haisnes, his headstone shows him to have died on 25th September 1915, which we all know is the date for the Battle of Loos. I had always been under the impression that somehow he had been taken there injured in battle but have now learned that he was actually buried where he lay and was removed to the cemetery by September 1919 and was identified which allowed him a headstone.

What I have been given is a map ref for the original site of his 1st burial as follows G17.B.8.6.5 it has to be somewhere in the area of the battle, if there is anyone out there who can help with this ref I would be very grateful. this would tie up the last of years of research on the family.

[spof]

Hi Liverbird

X marks the spot. Loos itself is just to the south of here.

[liverbird]

Thank you so much for your help and very prompt reply, I have been going around in circles with this and now I can complete Henry's story. Kind regards

[johnmelling1979]

^{Hello Liverbird,}

^{Have you looked in the 1st battalion. The Loyal North Lancashire Rgt war Diary for other clues for that days events?}

^{My relation Richard Isles served in the 1\4 Loyal North Lancashire Reg, different unit but their diaries are great to read}

^{Cheers John Melling}

[liverbird]

Hi John the answer is no, I have not as yet been able to trace them. The reason for my request today for map ref was that it has just come to light in a letter that our Grandad was escorting German prisoners, got separated in the mayhem and this is where he met his fate, so sad he left a wife and seven children. How did you acquire the war diaries for your relation? I would be pleased to know. Thanks to both SPOF and yourself for your input, there is always great help on this forum.

[sawdust]

Just check with the Museum at Fulwood barracks in Preston, because I think they will hold the war diaries for the Loyal Lancashire Battalions.

[johnmelling1979]

hello

try this link

https://openlibrary.org/books/OL22896466M

[liverbird]

Hi thanks so much to both of you for the info and the link above, I have now got the war diaries for the 1st Battalion from the National Archives and I can see that the info in them plus the personal diary of a young officer included with them are slightly different in context as you said John, but the link gives a very detailed account of all who were involved, sad reading but should be read.

[jamesday]

Hi Liverbird

Can you tell me the name of the young officer writer of the diary that you found. I am researching 2nd Lt AGH Livesey who died that day too, leading his company up to the wire. He is probably buried in St Mary ADS Cemetery too.

Also SPOF that is a great trench map I have not seen before. Does it have a 'name' so I could track it down. Or can you post a bigger version, say twice the area with the Lone Tree about centre. I am trying to ascertain the exact spot where the tree was.

Many thanks

James

[Michelle Young]

James I think it is going to be very hard to pinpoint the exact location of Lone Tree as the maps in 1915 were inaccurate and maps produced over a few weeks can vary a fair bit with the position. The current tree is short of the approximate position because just before the replanting the land boundaries were recast and the farmer who owned the land lost where it was going to be placed. As he had granted permission to use his land it was decided to stay with him.

Michelle