tumbi1 Posted 25 October , 2013 Share Posted 25 October , 2013 Hello all, does anyone know anything about this headstone I found in Esquelbecq Cemetery? It is alone in the corner and looks to be very old, and yet it was never replaced with one of the 'standard' type headstones. PB/18142 Bej Nath Royal Artillery, 5th May 1918. Cheers, Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGM Posted 25 October , 2013 Share Posted 25 October , 2013 From CWGC BEJ NATH Rank: Driver Service No: PB/18142 Date of Death: 05/05/1918 Regiment/Service: Indian Royal Artillery (Belgaum) Grave Reference Indian Plot. A1. Cemetery: ESQUELBECQ MILITARY CEMETERY Additional Information: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul@bolton Posted 25 October , 2013 Share Posted 25 October , 2013 Mark I believe it was normal to have an Indian plot in CWGC cemeteries and perhaps Bej Nath is the only Indian buried in this cemetery. His grave if ref A1 so I guess this may be the case? If you take a look at the cemetery plan (on the CWGC website), you will see there was also a German plot, originally next to the Indian plot. if these graves have been removed, this could explain why the grave is a bit isolated. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbarchetta Posted 25 October , 2013 Share Posted 25 October , 2013 But why no RA crest, religious symbol etc - understand maybe wording may not have been agreed with the family, and what, if any, religious symbol to put on, but surely the RA crest was uncontentious enough to be applied... looks very forlorn with just the bare facts on (more so as it is on its own, but that, as Paul says, may have been unavoidable)... Well done for highlighting, Mark! James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelS Posted 25 October , 2013 Share Posted 25 October , 2013 But why no RA crest, religious symbol etc - understand maybe wording may not have been agreed with the family, and what, if any, religious symbol to put on, but surely the RA crest was uncontentious enough to be applied... Surely, it would have to be the Indian Royal Artillery crest (apparently an error on the existing headstone which gives just 'Royal Artillery') not that of the RA? It's possible that this chaps religion wasn't/isn't known and so, rather than placing an inappropriate religious symbol and potentially causing offence, none was placed. Muslim headstones usually have a religious text rather than a symbol, and IIRC the funeral rites of Hindus & Sikhs require that their remains are cremated, not buried (although that's not to say that none were buried during the turmoil of war) NigelS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tumbi1 Posted 26 October , 2013 Author Share Posted 26 October , 2013 Mark I believe it was normal to have an Indian plot in CWGC cemeteries and perhaps Bej Nath is the only Indian buried in this cemetery. His grave if ref A1 so I guess this may be the case? If you take a look at the cemetery plan (on the CWGC website), you will see there was also a German plot, originally next to the Indian plot. if these graves have been removed, this could explain why the grave is a bit isolated. Paul G'day Paul, no the Germans were there - it was isolated from the other 'allied' burials which I found unusual, and the fact it is so poor compared to the standard ones. Cheers, Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tumbi1 Posted 26 October , 2013 Author Share Posted 26 October , 2013 But why no RA crest, religious symbol etc - understand maybe wording may not have been agreed with the family, and what, if any, religious symbol to put on, but surely the RA crest was uncontentious enough to be applied... looks very forlorn with just the bare facts on (more so as it is on its own, but that, as Paul says, may have been unavoidable)... Well done for highlighting, Mark! James Thanks James, forlorn is the word - placed next to enemy burials away from his comrades in arms. There is a story behind every grave and this one I think would be one of the more unusual. Cheers, Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter and Ellen Posted 26 October , 2013 Share Posted 26 October , 2013 It is not unusual to see Indian and Chinese graves away from the others. I suspect it is because of their difference in religion in that they could not be buried in "Christian consecrated ground". I have read this somewhere but cannot remember where. I always found it strange as being buried within the Cemetery walls would indicate that it was all consecrated ground. The lack of a badge could suggest some confusion as to what they should use therefore, play it safe with nothing. The lack of a Christian Cross is self-explanatory. They also occassionally buried high ranking officers, in the same way, away from the others or, made an increase in space between the officer and the others buried adjacent to them. Regards, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiegeGunner Posted 26 October , 2013 Share Posted 26 October , 2013 CWGC cemeteries are not consecrated ground, Peter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter and Ellen Posted 26 October , 2013 Share Posted 26 October , 2013 Siege Gunner, thank you. I will have to try and find the booklet because I am certain that is what it said.......but, I may be wrong. Tks, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelS Posted 26 October , 2013 Share Posted 26 October , 2013 According to Wikipedia (Click & scroll to 'burials') it's usual for Muslim burials to face Mecca; I don't know about the orientation of Bej Nath's at Esquelbecq, but those at Brookwood Military Cemetery (re-interred there after removal from the Muslim burial ground on Horsell Common, Woking Click ) are in a separate plot (2a, Click for CWGC plan) and, I believe, orientated to face Mecca - certainly at a noticeably different angle to those of other headstones. NigelS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Tulloch-Marshall Posted 2 November , 2013 Share Posted 2 November , 2013 The lack of a badge could suggest some confusion as to what they should use therefore, play it safe with nothing. ... Here are two Indian RGA headstones which are almost side-by-side in the same row. You couldn't second-guess the IWGC ! Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchwalker Posted 19 April , 2018 Share Posted 19 April , 2018 On 26/10/2013 at 23:10, NigelS said: According to Wikipedia (Click & scroll to 'burials') it's usual for Muslim burials to face Mecca; I don't know about the orientation of Bej Nath's at Esquelbecq, but those at Brookwood Military Cemetery (re-interred there after removal from the Muslim burial ground on Horsell Common, Woking Click ) are in a separate plot (2a, Click for CWGC plan) and, I believe, orientated to face Mecca - certainly at a noticeably different angle to those of other headstones. NigelS Mice been to that's grave and he is facing north towards the coast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 19 April , 2018 Share Posted 19 April , 2018 Remember that they may have been cremated, so it was not possible to relocate those graves... (which is why plenty of Indian WWI graves can be found all over Germany and could not be concentrated in the concentration cemeteries) Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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