Andy Wade Posted 21 October , 2013 Share Posted 21 October , 2013 Found this in an archive box at Keighley Library this weekend amongst an absolute treasure trove of items collected by Herbert A France, who was the sub-editor of the Keighley News. There are about a dozen scrapbooks with everything from invites to war-related fund raising events, censors stamps cut from envelopes and programmes for the unveiling of almost all of the local war memorials after the war. I didn't get a chance to look through this magazine (I will book some time for it in the next few weeks), but I wondered if anyone had come across it before? The Pelican is the badge of the 62nd Division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Blanchard Posted 21 October , 2013 Share Posted 21 October , 2013 Hello Andy, Anything relating to the Cullingworth War Memorial? Regards David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kate Wills Posted 21 October , 2013 Share Posted 21 October , 2013 Anything reating to concert parties Andy? Ta Kate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithmroberts Posted 21 October , 2013 Share Posted 21 October , 2013 Hi Andy, it would be brilliant of you are able to scan or photograph this item. There can be very few copies around. A quick search has drawn a blank at the IWM, national Archives, and the Bradford Library catalogue. There appears to be one copy for sale in New Zealand, otherwise I'm not doing well searching. So far as the other items are concerned, I would be interested to hear of anything linked to Greengates, Eccleshill or Idle when you have had time to explore properly. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Wade Posted 21 October , 2013 Author Share Posted 21 October , 2013 To try to answer your questions, there are two archive boxes for BK 424 at the library and in them are about nine 'War News' Scrap Books as below. Also about 6 or 7 green notebooks full of handwriting and they appear to be a 'war diary' of sorts, not quite sure exactly what it entails but I think it was kept by the sub-editor during the war as a personal record. It does give details of events of the war. One of them has the whole of the Keighley WW1 Roll of Honour in the handwritten form, possibly even the original list, or it's just a personal copy of the main volume. In the 'War News' scrap books, there are many small items related to the war and to be honest I didn't have a chance to look through them all except just a cursory glance. They will need to be fully investigated but suffice to say that I think these two boxes contain enough information for a whole exhibition. I think they are everything that the sub-editor received (as part of his job) that was related to the war, which he saved and stuck into scrap books as a personal memento of the war and these were eventually given to the library to keep. Access is open, so there are no restrictions on copying them . If anyone gets down to the library all you have to do is ask to see BK 424 upstairs in the local studies section. They are very helpful indeed. I will look through them next time I go down but I reckon it will take a whole day to document one or maybe two of them, so almost a weeks work for everything. The diaries are in a difficult to read handwriting so they would take a long time to transcribe. I'll post a few more pictures to give you all an idea of the content of the scrapbooks. Did I mention that I'm quite excited about this discovery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Wade Posted 21 October , 2013 Author Share Posted 21 October , 2013 ...and there's more: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Wade Posted 21 October , 2013 Author Share Posted 21 October , 2013 Festival of Remembrance pamphlet - Ritz Cinema 'Memories' postcard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Wade Posted 21 October , 2013 Author Share Posted 21 October , 2013 The Cologne Post, he kept this because it details the signing of the Peace Treaty: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Blanchard Posted 21 October , 2013 Share Posted 21 October , 2013 Hello Andy, Good news. During half term next week I might have to have a wander over to the library David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Wade Posted 21 October , 2013 Author Share Posted 21 October , 2013 To try and answer some questions specifically, Concert Parties? I didn't see anything but then I only skipped through some of the scrap books to get a feel for their contents. Cullingworth War Memorial programme? From what I do remember, I would not be surprised if it was in there. Less sure about the likelihood of any Greengates Idle and Eccleshill items because they're outside the Keighley News coverage, but you never know. I'll certainly be detailing everything in some kind of an index at least. It really makes me wonder what else is hidden away in the archives. Maybe we should all be visiting our local archives and spending some time sifting through the archive boxes before too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Wade Posted 21 October , 2013 Author Share Posted 21 October , 2013 I found the box by way of a search in West yorkshire Archives' online catalogue for the words 'War' and 'Keighley'. http://catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=BK00424&pos=2 Here's their description of the contents of the two boxes: BK00424 - H A FRANCE, NOTEBOOKS AND SCRAPBOOKS CONCERNING KEIGHLEY AND THE FIRST WORLD WAR (BK424) Held outside of WYAS THIS RECORD IS HELD AND ADMINISTERED BY KEIGHLEY LOCAL STUDIES LIBRARY IF YOU WISH TO VIEW THIS RECORD PLEASE CONTACT THE LIBRARY ON 01535 618215 Level [click link to see this collection in full] Collection Catalogue Finding Number BK424 Title H A FRANCE, NOTEBOOKS AND SCRAPBOOKS CONCERNING KEIGHLEY AND THE FIRST WORLD WAR (BK424) Description Comprising:- - Notebooks "Keighley's Record in the Great War 1914-1918" containing references to:- recruitment, anti-German riots at Keighley, record of Keighley's four military hospital, volunteer force, special constables, fund raising, manufacture of shells, food, Belgian refugees, visit of King and Queen in 1918, patriotic committee/women's patriotic club, Armistice Day and other festivities and anniversaries, war memorials, war aims committee, repatriation, war hospitals supply depot, war pensions, civilian war honours, territorials, roll of honour, diary of events 1914-1919. - "War News" scrapbooks 1899-1924, with references many events including:- Boer War cuttings, photograph of local volunteers/Keighley men in Yorkshire Hussars and other various photographs (including of Keighley National Shell Factory and the visit of the King and Queen, etc), private and confidential notices, various programmes including remembrance programmes 1938-1939, postcards, letters stamps, notices and circulars, services, ration books. Date 1899-1956 Extent 0.04/2 boxes Subject FIRST WORLD WAR RIOTS HOSPITALS CONSTABLES CIVIL DEFENCE FOOD RATION BOOKS REFUGEES CELEBRATIONS ROYAL VISITS ANNIVERSARIES WAR MEMORIALS PENSIONS TERRITORIAL ARMY DIARIES BOER WAR PHOTOGRAPHS ARMY Location of Archive Keighley Library GB 538 Access_Status Open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Wade Posted 21 October , 2013 Author Share Posted 21 October , 2013 The Angel Warriors at Mons: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Wade Posted 21 October , 2013 Author Share Posted 21 October , 2013 The Invasion of England (A translation of 'The Hun's Handbook'): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pamdevonald Posted 27 February , 2014 Share Posted 27 February , 2014 Hi Andy I was thrilled to see a reference to the magazine Pelican Pie and to see an actual cover. I have many letters which my father, Frederick Cooper Brookes Sergeant with 2/4 York and Lancaster regiment 62nd div. wrote to his fiancee (my future mother) from the trenches in France. I quote from one written on July 25th 1917: 'We are going to publish a Divisional Magazine! And it will be "some stuff". It's name - 'Pelican Pie". You see our Division has for its sign a pelican something like this (sketch of pelican) hence the name. I will send you a copy when it is published.' and from one dated July 28th 1917: 'Your letter arrived at dinner time just as I was opening a Machonicle, i.e. a tinned dinner, beef, carrots, rice and beans all put in a tin together. I haven't had time to answer before now because all the afternoon I have been trying to get my story finished. You didn't know I had started to write did you? I have had a drawing accepted for our new magazine (they are scarce so perhaps that is the reason why) and now I am endeavouring to write a short story!! We had a visit from the sub-editor this afternoon and he told us that Cassells were going to publish it, that it would be on sale in England at 6d I think he said, and here at half a franc. So when you see Pelican Pie on the bookstalls you will know what it is.' He was apparently resting after the Twenty Foot ravine skirmish and before they were sent to the front again. I have always wanted to know if his story was published and to see his drawing. I understand one of the first copies is in the Brotherton Library at Leeds. but I haven't seen it yet as I live in Lincolnshire. I see the one in Keighley is December 1917. I wonder how many editions there were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Wade Posted 19 March , 2014 Author Share Posted 19 March , 2014 Hi Pam(?) I've now scanned the whole magazine and found no story, but there are two cartoons signed by FC Brookes. Here's the first: ...and here's the second: Kind regards, Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pamdevonald Posted 24 March , 2014 Share Posted 24 March , 2014 Hi Andy Thank you SO much for that. They brought a few tears. The second drawing is more like the dad I knew. I am so grateful to you. I have 2 very nice drawings of a Sergeant W.E.R.Gilchrist done in France by Dad which I would love his descendants to have but don't know how to go about finding them. Apparently Gilchrist became a well known Sheffield artist. Thanks again for going to all that trouble. All best wishes Pam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Wade Posted 24 March , 2014 Author Share Posted 24 March , 2014 HI Pam, You're most welcome, this is such a good result from me just spending a little time scanning items from library archives! It shows that there's so much hidden away in boxes if only we can spare the time to look through them. You are in such a privileged position being able to see not only artwork from a relative, but a taste of their sense of humour as well. I have very little of that from my paternal Grandfather who I knew as a small boy but my maternal Grandfather died many years before I was born. I would give anything for a small item like these cartoons to come to the surface. I think the Pelican Pie has some more Gilchrist cartoons in it as well so if you ever find relatives I'd be happy to pass them on as well. I only have verbal permission from the library to publish little bits of the magazine (it is 'open' access though) so I would have to get permission in writing from them to publish the whole magazine online, which I certainly would like to do. I have got so much help from these forums over the years, so it's nice to be able to give something back that has so much value to one person. Kind regards, Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithmroberts Posted 24 March , 2014 Share Posted 24 March , 2014 Andy, given the positive attitude shown by Local Studies with the Roll of Honour, assuming that this box is their property rather than that of the West Yorkshire Archives, they might be willing to post your scans themselves. Just a thought, but Sue has demonstrated such a positive outlook on making information accessible that she might be happy to arrange that. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Wade Posted 24 March , 2014 Author Share Posted 24 March , 2014 Yes Keith, they have posted all the Keighley News Great War period microfilm scans online as well, so I agree. Sue is very good. I have one more war scrapbook from this archive box to scan so I will speak to Sue about this after I've scanned it, or at the time. Ideally the whole lot should go online but it does need indexing in context first which could take a while. There are some diaries to go with them which a colleague is transcribing and they look like they complement the scrapbooks to an extent. To be honest there's a good deal of work in all this and possibly even a book, but we're a way off that at the moment. No reason we should hold back on things like making the Pelican Pie available much sooner than that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stpud2011 Posted 13 December , 2014 Share Posted 13 December , 2014 Hi For those interested in reading the December 1917 edition of Pelican Pie I have included a copy on my website. https://sites.google.com/site/leedsandbradfordstudios/home/percy-lund I would be really interested to know how many different editions of this publication were produced, if anyone knows. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithmroberts Posted 13 December , 2014 Share Posted 13 December , 2014 Stpud2011 Really interesting to an exiled Bradfordian who once had a saturday jon in Godwin Street. (I was cellar boy on Saturdays at a wine store in the ownership of Lupton's. back to the point yo might want to add that Lund Humphies published the history in two volumes of the 6th West Yorks, one volume to each of the two battalions. The history of the 1/6th has been reprinted by naval and Military Press. The second volume is as yet only available in the original - with a variety of bindings. I'm just about to download the edition of Pelican Pie. Thank you. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grameka Posted 29 November , 2015 Share Posted 29 November , 2015 Sorry to revive an old thread like this. Pamdevonold - 2 posts, 2 years ago. A slim chance but if you still read this forum or are now under a new username I would REALLY like to speak with you about your Fathers amazing letters home. I am very interested in this exert and would love to ask you more about it, "We had a visit from the sub-editor this afternoon and he told us that Cassells were going to publish it" Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithmroberts Posted 30 November , 2015 Share Posted 30 November , 2015 grameka You might try sending a personal message. If the email supplied is still valid a copy will be sent direct to the member. Keith Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grameka Posted 30 November , 2015 Share Posted 30 November , 2015 Thanks Keith, will give it a try. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 2 April , 2019 Share Posted 2 April , 2019 You may be interested to know that the editor and principal illustrator of Pelican Pie was a Sheffielder called William Goodrich. After the war he joined other veterans as a member of the Rivelin Valley Artists, and you can see a portrait of him, drawn in the trenches in 1917, along with paintings by him and his fellow artists. My grandfather, Ben Baines, was among them. http://rivelinvalley.org.uk/rivelin_valley_artists/ .Chris Baines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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