alantwo Posted 20 November , 2020 Author Share Posted 20 November , 2020 (edited) Hi Stephen Please see the previous response to your query in May by SeaJane and the most recent one by Horatio2, both copied below. As per my post in May, unfortunately I do not have the man you are looking for in my records. Naval records for HMHS Assaye are in different Admissions and Discharge Books which I don't have, but perhaps try the MH106 HMHS Assaye series at the National Archives, there are naval records at least to 31st December as mentioned earlier in this topic. The hospital ship was taking casualties at that time and three men who died on 4th January and one on the 6th were buried at sea, thus it would suggest a similar burial would have occurred on the 5th; perhaps also try the Portsmouth Naval Memorial as suggested. Good luck with your research. Regards Alan Edit: Just to add, he is commemorated on the Helles Memorial panel 2 to 7. https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/3054283/W J CURLING/ On 30/05/2020 at 21:20, seaJane said: Don't know about ASSAYE but his service record at https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7744999 confirms that he died of wounds on that date, if you haven't seen it already. (and welcome to the forum, by the way!) seaJane On 18/11/2020 at 16:30, horatio2 said: Possibly. However, bear in mind that RND commemorations on the Helles Memorial are for men who were buried on the peninsula but whose graves are lost. If he died in ASSAYE and was buried at sea he would be commemorated on the Portsmouth Naval Memorial. It is possible that he d.o.w. in ASSAYE and was taken ashore to be buried in a now lost grave. If you have not yet seen them, his papers (2 sets) in ADM 157 at Kew may give more details. https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=walter+john+curling&discoveryCustomSearch=true&_cr1=ADM+157&_hb=tna Edited 20 November , 2020 by alantwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidaclaridge Posted 21 December , 2020 Share Posted 21 December , 2020 Hi, I'm looking for a casualty record for my Wife's Grandfather who served with the Zion Mule Corps at Gallipoli. His name is Nessim Camhi and his army medal record shows his disembarkation date as 16 August 1915. I understand he was wounded from splinter fragments in one eye. The Mule Corps were disbanded almost 1 year after being formed in March (?) 1915 so the search dates must be around 6 months. If you are able to identify him in the admissions book for HMHS Assaye I'd be grateful. He was brought to England in 1916 but I don't know if it was for ongoing treatment. Thanks David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 22 December , 2020 Author Share Posted 22 December , 2020 Hi David Thanks for your post and welcome to the Forum. There are only two men from the Zion Mule Corps in the records I have for for HMHS Assaye and unfortunately neither are for No.585 N. Camhi. I also looked in the Times Digital Archive to see if his wounding was recorded but nothing came up. Perhaps try a post in the Soldiers and their Units section of the Forum, hopefully something will turn up. Kind regards Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 23 December , 2020 Share Posted 23 December , 2020 17 hours ago, alantwo said: There are only two men from the Zion Mule Corps in the records I have for for HMHS Assaye A search on FindmyPast reveals 11 Zion Mule Corps names (all 1915) for "Assaye" but still no Camhi. I tried searching for Camhi in the Casualty Lists on the Genealogist but no luck. On the jewishvirtuallibrary site there is a detailed article on the Corps including mention of casualties but, yet again, no Camhi. There is a medal Roll and Index Card for the 1914/15 Star but why is there no BWM/VM Roll or card entry ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 23 December , 2020 Author Share Posted 23 December , 2020 34 minutes ago, charlie962 said: A search on FindmyPast reveals 11 Zion Mule Corps names (all 1915) for "Assaye" but still no Camhi. I tried searching for Camhi in the Casualty Lists on the Genealogist but no luck. On the jewishvirtuallibrary site there is a detailed article on the Corps including mention of casualties but, yet again, no Camhi. There is a medal Roll and Index Card for the 1914/15 Star but why is there no BWM/VM Roll or card entry ? Thanks Charlie that's helpful. I had just found the other 9 men in a different Admissions Book for late December, but as you say no Camhi. An Ancestry search appears to have him as listed in the UK, British Jewry Roll of Honour, 1914-1918, but I only found one Camhi and it wasn't the man we we are looking for. Regards Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 23 December , 2020 Share Posted 23 December , 2020 3 minutes ago, alantwo said: listed in the UK, British Jewry Roll of Honour, 1914-1918, but I only found one Camhi and it wasn't the man we we are looking for. There are 3 Camhi (Haim, Jousseff, Nessim). - all 1915 Mule Corps and all in the Brit.JewryRoll- Only one of them (Haim) also has an entry for BWM and BVM Roll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 23 December , 2020 Author Share Posted 23 December , 2020 1 minute ago, charlie962 said: There are 3 Camhi (Haim, Jousseff, Nessim). - all 1915 Mule Corps and all in the Brit.JewryRoll- Only one of them (Haim) also has an entry for BWM and BVM Roll Thanks again Charlie, you're doing better than me. I didn't find a Nessim, only Haim and then only once, I couldn't find him the second time I searched. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 23 December , 2020 Share Posted 23 December , 2020 2 minutes ago, alantwo said: you're doing better than me. I'm not relying on Ancestry transcriptions so I have a head start !! charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 23 December , 2020 Author Share Posted 23 December , 2020 2 minutes ago, charlie962 said: I'm not relying on Ancestry transcriptions so I have a head start !! charlie You are right there. Funnily enough I did try one or two variations of spelling 't' instead of 'h' and 'e' instead of 'i', because I guessed Ancestry would have got it wrong. I must give FMP a try. Thanks for your help here. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 23 December , 2020 Author Share Posted 23 December , 2020 This article from WFA, indicates 60 men were wounded, thus there should be a record somewhere. The Zion Muleteers of Gallipoli | The Western Front Association Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidaclaridge Posted 23 December , 2020 Share Posted 23 December , 2020 Hi Everyone, Thank you so much for your efforts. I'm aware of the articles and have an Ancestry account where I found Nissim as his name was in reality, on the medal cards for the ZMC. I'm pretty certian that he is the Nessim. He had a heavy accent, even till the end. He married in an English woman (he made his way here in 1916, probably via the British Army) in 1918 and the vicar recorded his name as Missin Cambi and that's what was registered by the GRO! Anyway I very much appreciate your help. Thankyou. By the way what does disembarkation date mean on the record, 16/8/15. Was that the date of landing in Gallipoli? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuannmc Posted 24 December , 2020 Share Posted 24 December , 2020 Hi, I would be very grateful if you could please look up( after the festive season, there is no hurry)... Eric Halliday Hickie 8th AIF No: 990 Wounded in action 25 June, 1915( 16th Stationary Hospital) His records are a little murky as he was temp attached to the Indian army 18/5/15-13/8/15 Then made Temp 2nd Lietenant 8th AIF 14/8/15 But somewhere during these dates, he made it onto a hospital ship. Many thanks, and a Merry Christmas to you!!! Ann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 24 December , 2020 Author Share Posted 24 December , 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, stuannmc said: Hi, I would be very grateful if you could please look up( after the festive season, there is no hurry)... Eric Halliday Hickie 8th AIF No: 990 Wounded in action 25 June, 1915( 16th Stationary Hospital) His records are a little murky as he was temp attached to the Indian army 18/5/15-13/8/15 Then made Temp 2nd Lietenant 8th AIF 14/8/15 But somewhere during these dates, he made it onto a hospital ship. Many thanks, and a Merry Christmas to you!!! Ann Hello again Ann Nothing for Hickie in the records I have for Assaye, (though hopefully Charlie will check, see above) and I cannot blame Ancestry for any mistranscription this time as I photographed the Admission Books at Kew myself. I did take a quick look at his Service Record and I wondered if the poisoned hand in June and the wounding might be two different events, though clearly one could have been the consequence of the other. Interesting to see two names, presumably one was an alias. Have a good Christmas and hopefully a bug free New Year. Kind regards Alan Edited 24 December , 2020 by alantwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 24 December , 2020 Author Share Posted 24 December , 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, davidaclaridge said: By the way what does disembarkation date mean on the record, 16/8/15. Was that the date of landing in Gallipoli? Hi David My understanding is that generally it was the date that a man first disembarked in a Theatre of War wherever that was. For example it could mean Alexandria or perhaps Lemnos if the unit disembarked there prior to arriving at Gallipoli. However it can vary and from a personal perspective the date on my Grandfather's MIC is the date he left the UK. A fuller explanation of a MIC can be found on the National Archive web-site British Army medal index cards 1914-1920 - The National Archives Alan Edited 24 December , 2020 by alantwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidaclaridge Posted 24 December , 2020 Share Posted 24 December , 2020 Thanks Alan, that's helpful I'll look it up as you suggest. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuannmc Posted 24 December , 2020 Share Posted 24 December , 2020 Hi Alan, Thankyou for your quick reply. I agree, I think the poisoned hand and the wounding were 2 different events. 1916 is a bit of a mystery. He returned to England March 1916 and my Aunt(who was a TFNS on the Mauretania) resigned to care for him after his surgery. They had married Nov 1915. I have wondered if they had perhaps met on the Mauretania. I have no information between June 1915- February 1916 and I am trying to fill in the gaps. He did rejoin in 1918 under an alias after his wife died in 1917(due to child birth, to twins). Thankyou for your help, I appreciate your input. We are very lucky and are enjoying a relatively Covid free Christmas here in Melbourne. Best wishes to you for Christmas. Ann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 9 May , 2021 Share Posted 9 May , 2021 Hello AlanTwo Thank you for your offer, which I have just found. Would it be possible to look up a relative of mine: Henry Hookham Lance Corporal Essex Regiment Regiment number 2381 Died HS Assaye on the 15th October 1915 Many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 10 May , 2021 Author Share Posted 10 May , 2021 Hello Suzanne Thank you for your post and welcome to the Forum. There are two entries for No.2381 Henry Hookham, both within the Admission and Discharge Book MH 106/1913. Index No: 2740 Regiment, Battalion or Corps: 1/7th Essex Squadron, Battery or Company: C Regimental Number: 2381 Rank: Private Surname, First Name or Initials: Hookham, H. Completed Years of Age: 25 Completed Years of Service: 5 Completed Months with the Field Force: 2 Diseases: NYD [Not yet diagnosed. This is crossed out and in pencil “Enteric” added] Date of Admission: 3/10/15 Ward: C102 [This is crossed out and replaced with E250] Religion: Church of England Observations: Slight. Index No: 3186 Regiment, Battalion or Corps: 1/7th Essex Squadron, Battery or Company: C Regimental Number: 2381 Rank: Lance Corporal Surname, First Name or Initials: Hookham, H. Completed Years of Age: 25 Completed Years of Service: 9/12 [9 months] Completed Months with the Field Force: 1 Diseases: Dysentery Date of Admission: 3/10/15 Date of Discharge. By Death: Died Noon, 15/10/15, Buried at Sea, Lat 36◦ 27’ N, Long 4◦ 17’ W Religion: Church of England Observations: B39, Serious Col The co-ordinates give his burial as being just off the coast of Spain, south of Malaga, please see the Google map below. The ship was probably returning to England from Anzac. As you probably already know he is commemorated on the Helles Memorial at Gallipoli. I hope that helps. Kind regards Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 10 May , 2021 Share Posted 10 May , 2021 Dear Alan Thank you so much for your quick response. Made sad reading. I really appreciate your kindness in providing this information - by way of a thank you I would like to make a small donation to your favourite charity. Best wishes Suzanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 11 May , 2021 Author Share Posted 11 May , 2021 Hello Suzanne Thank you for your message, it is indeed sad reading though not uncommon. In this Admission and Discharge Book 10 other men, not including Lance Corporal Hookham, were buried at sea during the journey. The sense I have is that your relative was initially admitted with only symptoms that progressively got worse over the twelve days and a full diagnosis realised. Thank you also for your very kind offer of a charitable donation, but there is no need on my part. Like others on this Forum, I try to help if I can, with the limited knowledge I have, and I am pleased to have been of some assistance on this occasion. Kindest regards Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 24 July , 2021 Share Posted 24 July , 2021 My Grandad John Richard Norgate-Bennett born 1898 Served in the Royal Engineers was taken onboard at Tripoli would be grateful for any information anyone could help with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 24 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 24 July , 2021 (edited) Many thanks for your post and welcome to the Forum Compared to earlier in the war there are very few detail entered in to the Admission Book, perhaps with this entry being after the war had ended, there was less need to do so. Index Number: 4804 Regiment: RE Squadron, Battery or Company: Sigs Regimental Number: 260115 Rank: Pioneer Name: Bennett, J Diseases: [It is unclear to me, I’ll post an image shortly for others to help interpret] To Other Hospitals: Alexandria 30/11/18 From Other Hospitals: Tripoli 28/11/18 Kind regards Alan Edited 24 July , 2021 by alantwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 24 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 24 July , 2021 The image extract below is from MH 106/1941 from FMP. The entry for your Grandfather has the 'ditto' marks, but the reason for the admittance above is clearly shorthand for something and maybe other forum members could advice what it represents. A form of Malaria possibly. Kind regards Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 24 July , 2021 Share Posted 24 July , 2021 2 hours ago, alantwo said: A form of Malaria possibly As you say, Alan, must be types of Malaria. Others on page have same CL ?, or BT= Benign Tertian or MT = Malignant Tertian. @Dai Bach y Sowldiwr will know ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 24 July , 2021 Share Posted 24 July , 2021 It looks like Cl to me. If we're talking Malaria, then maybe 'Malaria Cerebral'? What is the context here? Did any/ many die? Cerebral malaria has a pretty poor prognosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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