Khaki Posted 9 October , 2013 Share Posted 9 October , 2013 While I am on a bayonet 'thrust' this morning, question for the blade experts, With regard to the 07 pattern enfield bayonet, did the British ever experiment with a full metal scabbard? thanks khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 9 October , 2013 Share Posted 9 October , 2013 Not to my knowledge but the Siamese made them for their P'07s in the 1920s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 9 October , 2013 Author Share Posted 9 October , 2013 Thanks for the Siamese 'tip' I wouldn't like to stumble onto one and think I had found a 'rare' treasure. khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 9 October , 2013 Share Posted 9 October , 2013 While I am on a bayonet 'thrust' this morning, question for the blade experts, With regard to the 07 pattern enfield bayonet, did the British ever experiment with a full metal scabbard? thanks khaki khaki, The answer is yes, in the Enfield Pattern Room there is an example of an experimental Pattern 1907 scabbard made completely of steel. It is listed as the ' Scabbard, Sword Bayonet, Patt. 1907, Exptl ( presumably for experimental ), steel ' made by A. Cooper. Should you find one, you will have indeed found a rare treasure. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 10 October , 2013 Share Posted 10 October , 2013 Siamese examples: These are relatively uncommon themselves -- but the original Siamese marked leather scabbards are very scarce indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 14 October , 2013 Author Share Posted 14 October , 2013 Thanks for the information and photo, I wonder why they chose to go to a metal scabbard (the Siamese)? khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 14 October , 2013 Share Posted 14 October , 2013 khaki, I understand it was to do with the often wet and humid climate in Siam ( now Burma ), which had a rapid adverse effect on the leather scabbards, causing them to rot easily. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 14 October , 2013 Author Share Posted 14 October , 2013 Hello LF, I wondered about that, as the British Army used the same scabbards for long periods in Burma and other jungle and humid locations, and as far as I know it wasn't a huge problem. I would have thought that rust on a metal scabbard would have been a problem as well. regards khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 14 October , 2013 Share Posted 14 October , 2013 Hello LF, I wondered about that, as the British Army used the same scabbards for long periods in Burma and other jungle and humid locations, and as far as I know it wasn't a huge problem. I would have thought that rust on a metal scabbard would have been a problem as well. regards khaki khaki, The British Army in Burma during WW2 used a metal scabbard for ' Jungle Carbine ' bayonet. Also, I know the British were aware of the problem of ' rot ' caused by damp and humid climates, and I have in my Collection an experimental WW2 rifle sling for the No.5 rifle ( Jungle Carbine ), which had a rubberised coating applied as protection against the jungle climate. To protect metal scabbards against rust etc., they were properly treated and painted. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Haselgrove Posted 14 October , 2013 Share Posted 14 October , 2013 Hi Khaki, I can't answer your original question. However, when considering the origin of a metal scabbard on a P '07 it is worth bearing in mind that the Germans issued captured P '07s with a metal scabbard. According to Anthony Carter the shape of the scabbard follows the shape of the British blade and is 445mm (17.52in) long. Regards, Michael H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 28 February , 2014 Share Posted 28 February , 2014 ... when considering the origin of a metal scabbard on a P '07 it is worth bearing in mind that the Germans issued captured P '07s with a metal scabbard. According to Anthony Carter the shape of the scabbard follows the shape of the British blade and is 445mm (17.52in) long. Can you point me to a reference to that? Or is it in Carter's German Bayonets Ersatz volume, the big one, and which I don't yet have... TIA, Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 28 February , 2014 Share Posted 28 February , 2014 OK, found some examples... They are basically a variation of the standard Ersatz type II scabbard, the two piece sheet steel type with turned projecting edges, and a brazed frog stud of standard german type, but the scabbards are shaped to the P 1907 instead of being 'pointed'. Unlike the Siamese example, if you please, they do not have the locket and chape appendages... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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