114th Bty, 25th Brigade RFA - Aug 1914 c/o?

[battiscombe]

Can anyone confirm who commanded this Battery when it went to France? The July 1914 Army List does not record a commanding Major; I believe Captain Marshall, 2Lts Du Buisson, Steevens and Gossage did go to France.

thanks.

[stevenbecker]

Mate,

Sorry I know thtas not the right answer but I also have this battery in the AIF, here are some of the men I show fropm the Aussie LH who served in it;

ANDERSON John 1836 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Gnr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 1 DAC 9-16 WIA 1-3-17 abdomen near Flers F&B died at 1/1st South Midland CCS buried Dernancourt War Cemetery France
ANDERSON Sydney 1837 Pte 6 LHR 13R tos Gnr 114Bty/25 FAB 4-16 disch 8-11-16 MU
ANNAND William Charles 1838 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 56Bn 5-16 to BCo/5 Pnr Bn 5-16 shown WIA 9-5-18 reported WIA 10-5-18 head & face shrapnel with 2 killed and 22 wounded when area shelled near Vaux F&B
BALFOUR Edwin Lewis 5831 Spr 2 LH Sig Trp 14R Tos 3-16 to 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to BHQ 5-16 to 53Bty/14 FAB 1-17 to 1 DASP 11-17 to 1 MTCo 3-18 to Artificer 4 MTCo 8-18 to 3 MTCo 12-18 F&B to NME UK married Jessie McCarthy at Holburn UK 31-8-18 later WWII
BOURKE Austin William 1843 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to Bdr 9-16 shown WIA 22-11-16 reported WIA 21-11-16 R/thigh by shell near Mametz Wood F&B disch 27-9-17 (CMF 3 years) brother Harold 6 LHR
BOURKE Harold Ernest 1844 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Gnr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to 103Bty/3 FAB 4-17 F&B brother Austin 6 LHR
BRANDON Leonard 1834 Pte 9 LHR 13R to Gnr 114Bty/25 FAB 4-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to 113Bty/13 FAB 4-17 WIA 1-11-17 gas near Ypres F&B AKA Leonard Gregory Brandon
BROWN Edward 1966 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to S/Smith 106Bty/6 FAB 4-17 F&B
BULLARD Frederick 1841 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Gnr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty/25 FAB 7-16 to 103Bty/3 FAB (1841a) 4-17 F&B
BUNGE Percy 925 Pte 13 LHR 3R tos Gnr 2 DAC 3-16 to 114Bty/25 FAB 4-16 to 115Bty 7-16 shown WIA 30-7-16 reported WIA 23-7-16 L/buttock & pelvis shrapnel one of three wounded at Fleurbaix - Fromelles to 103Bty/3 FAB 4-17 WIA 25-8-18 gas near Chuignes F&B
CHESTERTON Stanley 1863 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 5 DAC 5-16 to 115Bty/25 FAB 7-16 to Dvr 103Bty/3 FAB 4-17 F&B Ex 11R/6 LHR DNE
CLEMENTS Raymond Henry 1854 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 2-16 to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to 103Bty/3 FAB (1854a) 4-17 WIA 30-9-17 R/buttock at Polygon Wood to Cpl 9-18 F&B (ASqn CMF 1 year)
CONSTANCE John James 1862 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 2-16 to 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 5 DAC (1862a) 8-16 WIA 4-11-16 R/leg accident at Estaines to Gnr 114Bty/14 FAB 10-17 F&B brother Percy
CONSTANCE Percy Thomas 1866 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 2-16 to Gnr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 5 DAC 8-16 WIA 6-9-17 head near Ypres to 54Bty/14 FAB 10-17 WIA 3-11-17 gas at Passchendaele F&B married Amy Bellamy at Wandsworth London UK 4-8-19 brother John
CUNNINGHAM Roy Fergus 1853 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 5 DAC 5-16 to 115Bty/25 FAB 7-16 to Gnr 103Bty/3 FAB 4-17 F&B reported killed by shell splinter near Zonnebeke Lake at Passchendaele NKG listed on Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial Belgium
DARSOW Marcus 1872 Pte 6 LHR 13R to 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to V5A HTMB 7-16 WIA 25-10-17 L/leg at Passchendaele to 5 HTMB 3-18 WIA 23-7-18 gas near Hamel F&B
DAWSON Charles Thomas 1967 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to 61Bn UK 3-17 to Dvr 5 DAC (1967a) 6-17 WIA 21-10-17 R/hand shrapnel reported 7 men wounded delivering 8000 shells to forward batteries at Passchendaele F&B disch 3-8-18
DEPLEDGE George Arthur Lt 9 LHR A Sqn (G) to 114Bty/25 FAB 4-16 to 115Bty 5-16 WIA 4-3-17 face/eye near Flers to 5 DAC 3-17 to claims officer 5 Div HQ 3-17 to 114Bty/14 FAB 4-18 prom Capt 11-18 F&B married Nurse Henrietta Perrin AANS (BSqn/22 LH CMF VD) later WWII Pte VDC born 14-8-83 brother James Sea Transport
DUNN Albert Edward 1869 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 12-15 to Gnr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to 103Bty/3 FAB 4-17 WIA 27-9-17 neck shrapnel at Polygon Wood to T/Bdr 1-19 F&B
DUNN Neil 1873 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to Dvr 5 DAC 5-16 WIA 21-10-17 face, chest & R/arm shrapnel reported 7 wounded delivering 8,000 shells to front batteries at Passchendaele F&B brother William 6 LHR
DUNN William 1871 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to Dvr 5 DAC 5-16 F&B brother Neil 6 LHR
FORSYTH Collin Bathurst 1877 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Gnr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 5 Div Cyc 4-16 to 3Co/2 Anzac Cyc Bn 7-16 att 1 Anzac Cyc Bn 11-16 to Dvr 1-17 awarded Corps Commanders Commendation - for his actions on the Albert road 7-2-17 to 1 Anzac Cyc Bn 5-17 to Aust Corps Sig Co 1-18 F&B AKA Colin Bathurst Forsythe
FOTHERINGHAM Roy Stirling Lt 11 LHR C Sqn disemb Adelaide relist 11R/9 LHR Tos 12-15 to 114Bty/25 FAB 4-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to 114Bty/14 FAB 1-17 FGCM 27-7-17 fraud sentenced dismissed F&B disch SNLR forfit all medals (Boer War 2Bn Scottish Horse) AKA Roy Sterling Fotherington brother Alan 3 LHR
FOX Stanley Edgar David 1879 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Gnr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 1 Sect/5 DAC 5-16 to batman to Lt Mayes 10-17 WIA 2-5-18 L/ankle sprained accident F&B died spinal meningitis at 1st Aust Dermatological Hosp Buford UK buried Tidworth Military Cemetery North Tidworth Wiltshire UK
FRAME John Thomas 1880 A/Cpl 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Bdr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 4 DAC 8-16 to 46Bty/12 FAB 1-17 F&B (CSqn CMF 7 years)
GEYER Edgar Anton 1615 A/Sgt 6 LHR 12R Tos 12-15 to BQMS 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 WIA 12-8-16 concussion accident in horse fall near Pozieres to BQMS HQ/3 FAB 4-17 MID - for his work between Feb to Sept 1918 F&B AKA Edward Geyer
GOODING George 1882 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to Dvr 5 DAC 5-16 F&B (ASqn CMF 3 months)
HOOD Albert Frederick Osborne 1889 Pte 6 LHR 13R to 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to Bdr 115Bty 9-16 to 106Bty/6 FAB 4-17 WIA 11-6-17 multiple shrapnel at Messines F&B died of wounds in the field buried London Rifle Brigade Cemetery Ploegsteert Belgium
IRVIN William 1893 Pte 6 LHR 13R to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to 103Bty/3 FAB (1893a) 4-17 F&B brothers Leslie and James 3Bn also Andrew 3Bn
JOHNSON Arthur Frederick William 1896 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to 106Bty/6 FAB 4-16 F&B
LAWRENCE Alfred Charles 968 Pte 13 LHR 3R to 2 DAC 3-16 to 114Bty/25 FAB 4-16 to 5 Div Cyc Co 5-16 to 1 Anzac Cyc Bn 11-16 WIA 11-3-17 R/arm & L/leg near Bapaume F&B to AIF depots UK 6-17 to 1 AAuxH UK 12-17 disch 16-7-18 underage
LEE Charles Eli 1900 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Gnr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to 5 DAC 8-17 to 114Bty/14 FAB 10-17 WIA 14-4-18 neck at Villers Bretonneux WIA 29-9-18 face/jaw at Bellicourt F&B Ex 7R/12 LHR (1317) failed to embark DNE (5 LH to Grafton C Troop ASqn to CMF 4 years)
LEONARD Joseph 1901 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 106Bty/6 FAB 4-17 to Bdr 6-17 F&B (CMF 3 months)
LOVETT William 2049 Pte 6 LHR 14R tos Gnr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 53Bty/14 FAB 1-17 WIA 8-8-18 R/arm reported one of 4 killed & 6 wounded under Lt Punch when bombed in Flieger Abteilungen air attack in move near Guillancourt at Amiens WIA 29-9-18 L/arm at Bellicourt F&B (CMF 2 months)

TOMLINSON James 36 Dvr 1 LH Bde Trn 5Co AASC to Wheeler Cpl 8-15 (G) to 114Bty/25 FAB 5-16 to Far/Sgt 115Bty 5-16 to 114Bty/14 FAB 7-16 F&B (British RFA 15 months)
SCADDING John Samuel 125 Pte 1 VS remain Egypt to Vet/Sgt 3-16 to 114Bty/25 FAB 4-16 WIA 6-7-16 R/toe accident ran over by wagon wheel to 2 VH Havre 1-17 to AVH 3-17 to HQ/5 FAB 7-17 F&B
RIMMER Stanley George 960 Pte 6 LHR 5R to B Sqn 11-15 (G) to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB to 115Bty 7-16 WIA 5-12-16 thigh F&B
MADELEY John 1396 Pte 13 LHR 7R tos Dvr 2 DAC 3-16 to 114Bty/25 FAB 4-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to 106Bty/6 FAB 4-17 to 4 FAB 3-19 F&B
McLEAN Thomas 1906 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty/25 FAB 5-16 to 114Bty/14 FAB 7-16 WIA 29-6-17 fractured arm accident not on duty to T/Bdr 5-18 DCM - for his actions at Corbie 24-4-18 and Hamel in July 1918 and Peronne 30-8-18 and when gassed near Chuignes 2-9-18 revert Dvr 9-18 WIA 4-9-18 gas near Chuignes F&B
McKINLEY David 1907 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to Dvr 1 sect/5 DAC 5-16 to 45Bty/12 FAB 1-17 WIA 21-3-18 R/shoulder accident injury F&B
MacKENZIE George Flemming 1909 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 2-16 to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to Dvr 5 DAC 5-16 to Gnr 54Bty/14 FAB 12-17 F&B
MISSINGHAM Alfred William Smith 1913 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 25 BAC 4-16 to 60Bty/25 FAB 8-16 to 54Bty/14 FAB 1-17 to AVH 12-17 F&B brother David ICC
MYLAN John Reginald 1918 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to 106Bty/6 FAB 4-17 F&B
McGEE John 1922 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Gnr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to 106Bty/6 FAB 4-17 F&B brother James 18Bn KIA
OWENS Archibald 1925 Pte 6 LHR 13R to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 103Bty/3 FAB (1925a) 4-17 F&B
POTTER John Luke 1927 Pte 6 LHR 13R to Gnr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 117Bty/22 FAB 10-16 to 105Bty/5 FAB 4-17 F&B (BSqn CMF)
PERROTT Ernest Oscar 1930 Pte 6 LHR 13R to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 3 DAC 11-16 WIA 28-9-17 face/eye at Polygon Wood WIA 7-9-18 head F&B AKA Perrot
PALMER Samuel George 1935 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to Gnr 2 sect/5 DAC (1935a) 4-16 to 55Bty/14 FAB 7-17 F&B married Elsie Sivier at Sarum UK 25-12-18
RUSSELL Wilfred Stanley 1936 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 Tos 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 52Bty 8-16 to 49Bty/13 FAB 1-17 WIA 30-9-17 Buttock & R/hand shrapnel at Polygon Wood F&B disch 2-9-18 (IR to ASqn CMF 4 months) AKA Milfred Stanley Russell
SHERMAN Edgar Robert 1942 Pte 6 LHR 13R tos 1-16 to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to S/Smith 106Bty/6 FAB 4-17 WIA 30-9-17 serious bomb at Zillebeke Polygon Wood F&B buried The Huts Cemetery Dickebusch Belgium
SHERWIN Francis Herbert 1945 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to 113Bty/3 FAB (1945a) 4-17 WIA 10-9-18 L/arm shrapnel reported during relief of 10 Bde by 1 Bde near Hesbecourt F&B AKA Frank Herbert Sherwin brother Norman 6 LHR KIA
SHEPHERD Sydney Robert 1947 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Gnr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 F&B later WWII records
SMITH Alfred Arthur 1949 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to 106Bty/6 FAB 4-17 F&B married Aero Munitions examiner Hilda Butler in Warwick UK 29-10-18
SHANNON Richard Elwyn 1950 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 2-16 to Gnr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 52Bty/25 FAB 8-16 F&B killed and Gnr Shambrook wound by shell at Mametz Wood near Flers buried Guards' Cemetery Lesboeufs France (CMF 1 year)
SMITH Norman Hector 1951 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to 106Bty/6 FAB 4-17 to Bdr 9-17 F&B (NSW IR to LH CMF 15 weeks later WWII)
SMITH Sydney Gordon 1952 Pte 6 LHR 13R tos 2-16 to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 54Bty/14 FAB 1-17 MM -for his actions carried ammo to guns near Zonnebeke 29-9-17 WIA 29-9-18 buttocks near Bellicourt F&B died at St Marks Hosp buried Brookwood Military Cemeter Surrey UK AKA Lindsay Gordon Smith
TICEHURST Patrick Burton 1956 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to 5 DAC 9-17 F&B married Florence Bladen in Warwick UK 27-10-18
WALLACE George Harold 1957 A/Cpl 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Gnr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 3 DAC 8-17 to 25Bty/7 FAB 9-17 WIA 30-3-18 gas "W" near Albert F&B (British Royal Navy 4 years) married Ellen England in Warminster UK 31-7-19
WILLIS Frank James 1959 Pte 6 LHR 13R Tos 1-16 to Sig 114Bty/25 FAB 4-16 to Dvr BHQ 5-16 to 53Bty/14 FAB 1-17 F&B reported killed with five others in dugout at Hell Fire Corner near Ypres buried Birr Cross Roads Cemetery Zillebeke Belgium (CMF 2 years)
WILSON William James 1963 Pte 6 LHR 13R to Gnr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to 106Bty/6 FAB 4-17 WIA 6-11-17 thigh & head at Passchendaele to Bdr 8-18 WIA 17-10-18 minor & MM - reason not stated DCM - for his actions at St Souplet 17-10-18 near Montbrebhain F&B
YEO Arthur Charles 1965 Pte 6 LHR 13R to Gnr 114Bty/25 FAB disch 22-9-16 MU eplipsey
PROCTOR James Renwick 2065 A/SSM 6 LHR 14R to 114Bty/25 FAB 4-16 disch 13-9-16 MU AKA James Renwick Procter
MAYES Charles William 2/Lt 6 LHR 14R Tos 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 2 sect/5 DAC 4-16 att Corps ammo Rail head officer 10-17 rtn 11-17 to 54Bty/14 FAB 3-18 MC - for his actions as FOO while att 120th US Regt in fighting around Mazingheim 19/23-10-18 F&B (4 IR to BSqn Armidale CMF 6 years)

Cheers

S.B

[battiscombe]

I had not realised the coincidence of battery numbering with the AIF. The RFA 25th Brigade was made up of 113, 114 and 115 Batteries RFA in 1914. [later, 40th Howitzer Bty RFA joined]

[lostinspace]

Here is what I have for 1st Division's XXV Brigade:

Lt. Col. J.G. Geddes

113 Bty. - Major Wilfrid Ellershaw
114 Bty. - Major (Bvt. Lt. Col.) Webb Gillman, D.S.O.

115 Bty. - Major J.H.W. Johnstone
Bde. Ammn. Col. - Capt. R.J. Adams

I think this information came from Dick Flory (hopefully he will be along to confirm it).

Dave

[lostinspace]

Found Gillman's obituary here - http://www.hussards-photos.com/UK/UK_RHA_Meerut.htm which confirms his appointment as commander of 114 Bty. Quite a career.

Dave

[rflory]

Dave is correct. When it went to France and Flanders on 18 August 1914 114th Battery, 25th Brigade, RFA was commanded by Bvt. Lt. Col. Wilfred Gillman, DSO. The other officers in the battery were:

Capt. E T Marshall

2nd Lieut. T G Du Buisson

2nd Lieut. E U Walshe

2nd Lieut. D J Steevens

I have Lt T G Du Buisson's photo album which contains numerous photos of the battery.

[battiscombe]

many thanks to all of you. Dick Flory, does Du Buisson have the battery photo taken at Deepcut sometime [earlier?] in 1914 - perhaps with Major Usborne still in command? I was trying to put names to faces on a copy i have. There also seem to be a couple of additional subalterns, presumably 'attached' many thanks for the helpful replies

[rflory]

battiscombe: Major Usborne left 114th Battery, RFA sometime between July and October 1913, as Maj T A Cubitt was OC in October 1913, so your photo predates October 1913. DuBoisson's album has three group photos of what I presume is XXV Brigade, RFA but none of the photos have names. There is one large photo of XXV Brigade, RFA passing in review for the King's birthday in 1914 which does show names and the following officers of the Brigade are named in photos in the album: Lt CFP Battersby, 2Lt TG DuBoisson, Lt HN Fairbank, Lt GEW Franklyn, LCol J G Geddes, LCol W Gillman, 2Lt EL Gossage, Lt WB Gossset, Maj JHW Johnstone, Cpt ET Marshall, Cpt WH Norton, Lt ECA Schreiber, 2Lt DJ Steevens, Lt EG Tucker, and Lt EG Waller.

[battiscombe]

Thanks very much for that. This image of 114th Bty at Deepcut is dated 1914 and i was therefore wrong concerning Usborne , the Major seems likely to be Major Thomas Cubitt then. who had been posted to Somaliland in July 1914 it seems. This does indeed look like it could be him - with DSO, and W African ? medals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Astleycubitt.jpg

[Derbys]

Hello

I was fascinated to pick up this thread on 114 Battery XXV Brigade RFA. I think I should apologise for taking advantage of your research and knowledge but your advice and guidance would be much appreciated.

My great uncle - 681677 Dvr William Beesley served with the 114th from Sept 1915 until discharged wounded (SWB list) January 1919. I've tried Ancestry and the internet but can't seem to find any info relating to: Where the 114th Battery served between Sept 1916 and August 1918 - and where/wage he might have picked up his 'wound'.

Any direction you can give would be appreciated.

Many thanks

Chris

[battiscombe]

they were with 1st Division throughout - the war diaries of 25th Brigade can be downloaded for a few £s .. reference WO95-1248 . which provide a day by day account [which is not an interesting as it sounds.. its very uninformative..]

the number you give is odd as that is linked to the territorial units of the 1st and 2nd/ 2nd West Lancs Brigades..[276th Bde and 286th Brigades..] are you sure he was with 114th?

[Derbys]

Hi Battiscombe, thanks for the response. The reason I thought he was in 114th battery is that on his medal card for the Victory and War Medals it say...... " (TF) RFA / 114 B " ..... Which I took to be 'Royal Field Artillery / 114 Battery'. I sense you're about to tell me I've been barking up the wrong tree ? Oh dear.

[rflory]

Derbys: You are barking up the wrong tree as the (TF) RFA /114B is the reference the the medal roll with for his BWM/VM not his unit.

[Derbys]

Oh dear, but I'm glad I asked as I now know where to start looking. I'm very grateful to Battiscombe and Rflory for putting me right ( and I thought I'd been very clever !). I'm guessing from this then that he was in either the 1st or 2nd West Lancs Brigades - is there anyway of getting a more precise fix on which Brigade and Battery? (Can't find anything other than his medal card on ancestry)

Thanks again

Chris

[Derbys]

Hi Battiscombe , you mentioned that his regimental number suggested he was actually in 1st of 2nd West Lancs Brigades not 114th Battery / 25th Brigade - but another piece of evidence I had for 25th Brigade was that on his medal card it also refers to " SWB list RA / 3945 " which another forum member researched for me and came up with " XXV Brigade ". I looked at the make up of the XXV Brigade and saw there was a 114th Battery, and then made the erroneous link ( due to the coincidence of numbers) that the "114" on his BWM/VM referred to his battery. To cut that long story short - I seem to have evidence that his service number seems to point to 276th Brigade but his SWB number indicates 25th Brigade.......I'm confused.

[battiscombe]

I have checked the SWB list and that is clear - when he landed up with 25th Bde may be unclear [if at all] - I dont know how common errors are in that register. it seems slightly surprising to find him in a regular prewar Brigade, but not maybe impossible; in a similar Regular Brigade there may be 3-4? Territorials who may have served [amongst 1,300+ names] .. although in no case have I yet had this confirmed by a surviving service record [rather than another source, such as the SWB list of a record of death .. and just checking one of those, a cemetery record it seems to be an error .. with wrong unit on his gravestone ]

but in general terms he is likely to have served with W Lancs - I would suspect there is an error here unless you find some further evidence

[Derbys]

I've also been tracking down distant relations who have confirmed without any prompting from me that William's son and grandson were born in Liverpool. The coincidence is too compelling so that I'm happy to accept that he served in either the 286th Brigade 2/2nd West Lancs or the 285th Brigade 2/1st West Lancs (both I think part of 57 Div). Heaven knows which of those he was in and his battery, but progress nonetheless.

That leaves the presumably erroneous MIC note about his SWB stating 25th Brigade - either the SWB notation is entirely wrong for him or he did receive the SWB and it's just the reference to 25th Brigade is wrong.

Many Thanks for your help, I wouldn't have got this far without it.

Regards

Chris

[Nick1914]

Dear All, just came across this old post about 114th Bty. I have an old 1914 Army List in which someone annotated all the wounded officers - 2nd Lt D J Steevens is so indicated. Can anyone please confirm this is true and give details of the date and action?

Thanks Nick

[rflory]

According to the RA Institution Leaflet 2nd Lieut. D J Steevens was wounded on 22 Sept 14.

[rflory]

Photo of 25th Brigade at the 1914 King's Birthday review at Laffans Plain. Steevens is behind Col. Geddes. 115th Battery is at the far right side of the photo.

[Nick1914]

Fascinating stuff, thanks for the steevens info.

Nick

[battiscombe]

On 04/10/2013 at 20:42, rflory said:

battiscombe: Major Usborne left 114th Battery, RFA sometime between July and October 1913, as Maj T A Cubitt was OC in October 1913, so your photo predates October 1913. DuBoisson's album has three group photos of what I presume is XXV Brigade, RFA but none of the photos have names. There is one large photo of XXV Brigade, RFA passing in review for the King's birthday in 1914 which does show names and the following officers of the Brigade are named in photos in the album: Lt CFP Battersby, 2Lt TG DuBoisson, Lt HN Fairbank, Lt GEW Franklyn, LCol J G Geddes, LCol W Gillman, 2Lt EL Gossage, Lt WB Gossset, Maj JHW Johnstone, Cpt ET Marshall, Cpt WH Norton, Lt ECA Schreiber, 2Lt DJ Steevens, Lt EG Tucker, and Lt EG Waller.

I realise many years on since this original posting. I just wanted to confirm that I think i have found a list of names of those photographed in the 114th Battery photo [posted above  2013!] , .. i dotn know if it  also matches any in DuBuissons photo album???  However, it would seem that  the 114th battery officers were then:  Lt E  Gossage-Lt T G DuBuisson- BSM Williamson – Maj T Cubitt DSO- Capt E J Marshall- Lt D G Stevens- Lt N Clery- BQMS Loughlin.. the complete list [apparently no photo] can be seen in DuBuissons papers via OgilbyMuster https://www.theogilbymuster.com/record/2268083