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17 hours ago, Joan said:

His name was John Cecil Funnell. Berks 2195 Corps of Hussars 50105.  Any info would be appreciated, thanks. 

Welcome to the GWF

We always recommend you have a look at the Long Long Trail for advice on researching  a soldier.

The Berkshire Yeomanry page is here https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-british-yeomanry-regiments-of-1914-1918/berkshire-yeomanry-hungerford/

The Yeomanry were the mounted section of the Territorial Force originally formed for Home Defence.

Pte Funnell joined the 2nd Line or 2/1st Berkshire Yeomanry on or around the 16th September 1914 (2182/16 September - 2197/16 September).

The 2nd line of the TF was formed when 60% of the 1st line had agreed to serve overseas. It was a reserve and reinforcement unit. Clearly a proficient horseman Pte Funnell probably signed to the Imperial Obligationb (see LLT) in January 1916 and was posted to the 1st Line as a reinforcement for when they were posted on active service overseas.

He landed with the main body of the 1/1 Berkshire Yeomanry at Alexandria on the 21st April 1915 (mic code 3 = Egypt).  There they were dismounted and posted to the Dardanelles as infantry (LLT) on the 14th August 1915.

Evacuated from the Peninsula in November 1915 they were reformed in Egypt.  For all things ICC I defer to Steve but they were originally attached to the ICC in 1916 and it appears formally transferred and renumbered in June 1917.  It's not entirely clear whether these men from the Yeomanry were volunteers, or 'volunteers' in the Army sense.

The Command Depot at Abbassia was a sort of 'convalescent base' again see LLT for a full definition. Men, often suffering from malaria or some other tropical disease, as well as those recovering from wounds were posted from hospital to the Command Depot where they were brought back to full fitness for active duty.

The Victor Ludorum (Latin) medal was awarded to the overall best competitor in all events entered in a sports day (usually accrued by points) rather than one single event.

 

 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, kenf48 said:

Welcome to the GWF

We always recommend you have a look at the Long Long Trail for advice on researching  a soldier.

The Berkshire Yeomanry page is here https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-british-yeomanry-regiments-of-1914-1918/berkshire-yeomanry-hungerford/

The Yeomanry were the mounted section of the Territorial Force originally formed for Home Defence.

Pte Funnell joined the 2nd Line or 2/1st Berkshire Yeomanry on or around the 16th September 1914 (2182/16 September - 2197/16 September).

The 2nd line of the TF was formed when 60% of the 1st line had agreed to serve overseas. It was a reserve and reinforcement unit. Clearly a proficient horseman Pte Funnell probably signed to the Imperial Obligationb (see LLT) in January 1916 and was posted to the 1st Line as a reinforcement for when they were posted on active service overseas.

He landed with the main body of the 1/1 Berkshire Yeomanry at Alexandria on the 21st April 1915 (mic code 3 = Egypt).  There they were dismounted and posted to the Dardanelles as infantry (LLT) on the 14th August 1915.

Evacuated from the Peninsula in November 1915 they were reformed in Egypt.  For all things ICC I defer to Steve but they were originally attached to the ICC in 1916 and it appears formally transferred and renumbered in June 1917.  It's not entirely clear whether these men from the Yeomanry were volunteers, or 'volunteers' in the Army sense.

The Command Depot at Abbassia was a sort of 'convalescent base' again see LLT for a full definition. Men, often suffering from malaria or some other tropical disease, as well as those recovering from wounds were posted from hospital to the Command Depot where they were brought back to full fitness for active duty.

The Victor Ludorum (Latin) medal was awarded to the overall best competitor in all events entered in a sports day (usually accrued by points) rather than one single event.

 

 

 

 

Oh wow Ken, thank you! How on earth did you find all this? It all makes perfect sense. He was my Grandfather & I remember him telling me how they would ride thoroughbred horses, some were bred for racing, before he rode camels, so he was a competent horseman. Abbassia being a place for recuperation makes sense, he had to drink water from somewhere at one point that had a dead camel in it & he ended up very ill & had surgery to remove a large part of his intestine! After that he couldn't digest tomatoes or anything similar apparently. How he survived such a big operation we'll never know, but clearly his fitness played a part. He was still running marathons in his late 70's! I have inherited a few of his things, including this beautiful rose gold victor ludorum medal & a few pieces of the Great pyramid! 

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Joan

As stated by  Ken, men from the Yeomanry were volunteered to the Camel Corps, much like the Aussies and Kiwis

Most aussie accounts mention the bad boys being sent there, but these men turned out to be the hard chargers in fighting

The British tried forming companies from both Infantry and Yeomanry, but the Infantry failed to be good camel soldiers, so replaced by more Yeomanry

The first group under Inchbald with around 30 men arrived from the Berks around April 1916, the next wave came soon after, when the Camel Companies were increased in man power late 1916

He appears to be with this second wave of volunteers, but to fix a date has been hard to do when his group arrived at the ICC.

The companies had around 130 men early on, but increased to 179 men late 1916, the date shown in most documents is Nov 1916, when these second wave groups of 30 to 40 men arrived, so he may have arrived between these dates?

Sorry yes, Tos is Taken on strength

In June 1918, the Aussies and Kiwis were returned to the Light Horse and much retraining was done. numbers of British soldiers also were returned, but the main six British companies still operated as before. with the 7 & 10 companies sent to TEL, while the others (5, 6, 8 and 9Co's) continued patrol and garrison duty in the Western desert and Palestine and Sinai.

Mate like I said we are here to help where possible

S.B

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Dear Joan

I can confirm that JC Funnel joined the Berks Yeomanry at Yeomanry House Reading on the 16th September. He may have been initially posted to the Rserve Regiment or to the First Line regiment, but no record exists. However, in anycase all new enlistees were required to sign the ISO (otherwise they would not be enlisted). By April 1915 he was part of the original First line (now referred to as the 1/1st Berkshire Yeomanry which sailed for Egypt in April 1915, as part of the Second Mounted Division. 

In early August the Division was tasked to reinforce the landing at Suvla Bay in Gallipoli with each regiment sending two squadrons of 160 men each. A large rear party of the Berks Yeomanry need to stay to look after the horses at Abbassia Barracks Cairo. We know from a register compiled at the time that John FUnnell was one of the men who stayed behind as part of B Squadron

In early November the B Squarion became part of the 2nd Composite Yeomanry Regiment formed at short notice to fight on the Western Frontier. If you search on the forum for "Western Frontier Force" Steve, myself and others have posted extensively on the details. I do know form a notebook the Tpr Funnell was injured but  no details are recorded. 

I will be able to add some more in due course

Please also have a look at our newly revamped website at The Berkshire Yeomanry Museum

All the best

Andrew

Andrew French, Captain (retd)

Asst. hon. curator

www.berkshireyeomanrymuseum.org

 

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Hi Joan

Forgot to ask can you posts any pics you have of your grandfather. We have a large collection of photos at the Museum, and I might be able to find a match for you. When men joined the regiment after outbreak of the war every effort was made to post men to appropriate Squadron

A (Windsor) Squadron for men from East Berkshire 

B (Reading) Squadron for men from Reading and district

D (Wantage) Squadron for men from West and North Berks

Knowing where he came from would help narrow my search for you.

Regards

Andrew

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Mates,

Yes my mistake he must be in that first group

Berks men to the ICC start with these men as the first group

Luff    Thomas    50003    Cpl    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex 2 Troop ASqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1741) and Corps of Hussars (327114) brothers Henry (1973) and Edmund (2257) Berkshire Yeo & MGC
Stevenson    Vivian McG    50007    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex ASqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1740) and Corps of Hussars
Hermon    Arthur William    50008    Sgt    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 to T/CSM (after Guppy WIA at Es Salt) 5-18 DCM - possibly at Amman Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1857) and Corps of Hussars
Pope    Charles    50011    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2261) and Corps of Hussars
Munday    Dick    50017    L/Cpl    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 MID - reason not stated Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2628) and Corps of Hussars brothers Thomas and Harry
Coultas    Sidney G    50026    Pte    Tos 8Co 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1983) and Corps of Hussars (327165) WIA 12-15 with WFF 
Bellenger    Thomas H.    50028    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex 2 Troop DSqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1711) and (70286)

The other grouping


Armstrong    Frank    50100    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex CSqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1879) and Corps of Hussars
Bennett    Arthur Charles    50101    Pte    Tos 8Co 4-16 killed at Amman NKG listed on the Jerusalem War Memorial Palestine Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2681) and Corps of Dragoons (70612)
Eggleton    Edwin T.    50103    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2754) and Corps of Hussars (327151) died 1-3-1979 shown in Rory Moore's news letter
Fisher    Sydney    50104    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2772) and Corps of Hussars
Funnell    John C    50105    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 awarded Victor Ludorum (Latin) medal for sports 28-6-18 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2195) at Gallipoli and Corps of Hussars
Gosling    Francis Moss    50106    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2817) and Corps of Hussars
Grover    Walter J.    50107    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2818) and Worcester Yeo (327119)
Hall    Thomas    50108    Pte    Tos 8Co 4-16 Ex ASqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo and Worcester Yeo (327263) 
Hodges or Hodge    Horace John    50109    Pte    Tos 8Co 4-16 shown ICC to Sig killed at Es Salt NKG listed on the Jerusalem War Memorial Palestine Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1730) and Corps of Hussars age 23
Hooker    Robert H    50110    Pte    Tos 8Co 4-16 WIA 27-3-18 at Amman Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1884) and Corps of Hussars
Holloway    William C    50111    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 WIA 27-3-18 (minor) at Amman Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2728) later Spr Royal Engineers WR/195655)
King    Reginald C.    50112    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2793) later Royal Engineers (495715)
Langford    Alfred    50113    A/Cpl    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2621) and Corps of Hussars (50113)
Mercer    John     50114    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2779) and 
Millar (Miller)    Thomas Cecil Reginald    50115    L/Cpl    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 WIA 29-3-18 (minor) at Amman died of wounds buried Jerusalem War Cemetery Palestine Ex DSqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2070) and Corps of Hussars (also Corps of Dragoons (70095) or (70096) age 27
Munday    Harry    50116    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (911) and Corps of Hussars brothers Thomas and Dick
Neville    Percy C    50117    Pte    Tos 8Co 4-16 shown ICC batman to Lt Inchbald Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2738) and Corps of Hussars
Penford    Frederick J    50118    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 WIA 27-3-18 at Amman Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1404) and Corps of Hussars
Rhodes    James T.    50119    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 to Sig Ex 3/1 Berkshire Yeo (2696) and Corps of Hussars
Painter    John    50120    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 died dysentry buried Port Said War Cemetery Egypt Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2790) and Corps of Hussars to Dragoons (70691) 
Stagg    Thomas EH    50122    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 ICC Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2710) and Corps of Hussars
Walters    Dudley    50123    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 WIA 27-3-18 at Amman Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1887) and Corps of Hussars
Hawkins    Edward    50124    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2684) and Worcester Yeo (327145)
Herbert    George H    50125    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2737) and Corps of Hussars
Home    Stanley T    50126    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1784) and Corps of Hussars
Johnson    James    50127    L/Cpl    shown ICC Tos 8Co 4-16 WIA 28-3-18 (minor) at Amman Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1713) and Corps of Hussars
Robson    Jack    50128    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (70445) and Corps of Hussars
Munday    Thomas    50130    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2629) and Corps of Hussars brothers Harry and Dick
Priddy    Samuel L.    50131    A/Cpl    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1962) and Corps of Hussars

 

Of cause 50100 to 50131 appears right (@ 30 men) , the outlyers 50003 to 50028 seam out of place?

I had wondered if these (500--) were the first group and I missed the others in that group, and or the 501-- men are the second group?
So far I am not smarter.

Andrew anything from your end in Berks records?

just so you don't think I mucked up the others in the 500-- group are (all 8Co men from other Yeomanry Regts)

Guppy    William R    50000    Cpl    Tos 8Co 4-16 to CSM WIA 1-5-18 at Es Salt DCM MID - reason not stated rtn 11-18 shown in group photo of Dorset Men in 8Co ICC Ex 1/1 Dorset Yeo (Queen’s Own) (1199) and Corps of Hussars (230497) rtn (538984)
Fisher    Aubrey     50001    Pte    Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (1605) and Corps of Hussars
Luff    Thomas    50003    Cpl    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex 2 Troop ASqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1741) and Corps of Hussars (327114) brothers Henry (1973) and Edmund (2257) Berkshire Yeo & MGC
Moss    Gerald E    50004    Cpl    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (205585) and 1/8 Hampshire Regt (205681) to Royal Army Service Corps
Mullett    Thomas    50005    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (1127) and Worcester Yeo (205274)
Oldfield    George    50006    Sgt    Tos possibly 10Co? 5-16 Ex 1/1 East Riding Yeo and Corps of Hussars Worked in Hodgson’s tannery born 1865 4xSon's Arthur, Edger, Frank & Harold in ERY 
Stevenson    Vivian McG    50007    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex ASqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1740) and Corps of Hussars
Hermon    Arthur William    50008    Sgt    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 to T/CSM (after Guppy WIA at Es Salt) 5-18 DCM - possibly at Amman Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1857) and Corps of Hussars
Gould    Albert G.    50009    Pte    Tos 8Co 4-16 shown in group photo of Dorset Men in 8Co ICC Ex 1/1 Dorset Yeo (Queen’s Own) (1362) and Corps of Hussars (230633)
Chessman    Consett Edward    50010    CQMS    Tos 10Co 5-16 Ex SQMS 1/1 East Riding Yeo (357) and Corps of Hussars Farmer born 1878
Pope    Charles    50011    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2261) and Corps of Hussars
Fowler    C.S    50013    Cpl    Ex Sussex Yeo and Corps of Hussars (50013) prom 2/Lt Royal Air Force
Roberts     Denis    50014    Pte    Ex County of London Yeo (1583) and Corps of Hussars 
Roberts     David W.S    50016    Pte    Ex Bucks Yeo (1805) and Corps of Hussars 
Munday    Dick    50017    L/Cpl    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 MID - reason not stated Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2628) and Corps of Hussars brothers Thomas and Harry
Bolt    Arthur E.    50018    Sgt    Tos sect Sgt 8Co (Lt Ryan's Sect) 4-16 recom VC awarded DCM MID - possibly for his actions after the deaths of Capt Mason-Macfarlane & Lt Ryan on patrol to Baharia Oasis & Italian Order Ex 1/1 Dorset Yeo (Queen’s Own) (940) and Corps of Hussars (230300) rtn (539358)
Ward     Mark    50019    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 shown in group photo of Dorset Men in 8Co ICC Ex ASqn/1/1 Dorset Yeo (Queen’s Own) (698) and Corps of Hussars author of an account of the Farafra Oasis operation 10-16 
Greening    Walter V.    50020    L/Cpl    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 DCM - possibly at Amman shown in group photo of Dorset Men in 8Co ICC Ex 1/1 Dorset Yeo (Queen’s Own) (1311) and Corps of Hussars
Harper    George D.    50021    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (808) to Corps of Hussars (205099) to Worcester Regt (327104)
Barnes    Benjamin C.V.    50022    L/Cpl    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 reported to 7Co date? WIA 29-3-18 (minor) at Amman Ex 1/1 Dorset Yeo (Queen’s Own) (1388) and Corps of Hussars 
Kettle     Reginald    50024    L/Cpl    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Dorset Yeo (Queen’s Own) (612) and Corps of Hussars 
Coultas    Sidney G    50026    Pte    Tos 8Co 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1983) and Corps of Hussars (327165) WIA 12-15 with WFF 
Powell    Basil    50027    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (908) and Worcester Yeo (205145)
Bellenger    Thomas H.    50028    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex 2 Troop DSqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1711) and (70286)
Betts    Leslie J    50029    L/Cpl    possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (2445) and Corps of Hussars
Blay    Arthur    50030    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 WIA 1-5-18 at Es Salt Ex (unit unknown) and Corps of Hussars (shown 1st Camel Corps on Medal Index Cards) 
Boulton    Geofrey    50031    L/Cpl    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (1749) to Corps of Hussars
Boyce    Arthur C.    50032    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC MID place and date unknown? Ex Bucks Yeo (2219) and Corps of Hussars possibly to Egyptian CTC to Worcester Yeo (205812)
Brooks    William    50033    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (1772) and Corps of Hussars (205494) knick name "taffy"
Calvert    Wallace    50034    Pte    Tos 8Co 4-16 WIA 1-5-18 at Es Salt reported WIA & MIA DoW 1-5-18 NKG listed on Jerusalem Memorial Palestine Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (1987) to Corps of Hussars (205639)
Crispin    Thomas Roger    50036    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (2192) to Corps of Hussars prom 2/Lt
Davies    Charles S    50037    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (2089) to Corps of Hussars
Fletcher    Colin    50038    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (2397) to Corps of Hussars
Gentry    Christopher    50039    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (1934) and Corps of Hussars (205601)
Godden    Edward Coote    50040    L/Cpl    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 killed at Amman NKG listed on the Jerusalem War Memorial Palestine Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (2290) and Corps of Hussars (205836) age 21
 

S.B

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On 28/09/2022 at 01:05, stevenbecker said:

Joan

As stated by  Ken, men from the Yeomanry were volunteered to the Camel Corps, much like the Aussies and Kiwis

Most aussie accounts mention the bad boys being sent there, but these men turned out to be the hard chargers in fighting

The British tried forming companies from both Infantry and Yeomanry, but the Infantry failed to be good camel soldiers, so replaced by more Yeomanry

The first group under Inchbald with around 30 men arrived from the Berks around April 1916, the next wave came soon after, when the Camel Companies were increased in man power late 1916

He appears to be with this second wave of volunteers, but to fix a date has been hard to do when his group arrived at the ICC.

The companies had around 130 men early on, but increased to 179 men late 1916, the date shown in most documents is Nov 1916, when these second wave groups of 30 to 40 men arrived, so he may have arrived between these dates?

Sorry yes, Tos is Taken on strength

In June 1918, the Aussies and Kiwis were returned to the Light Horse and much retraining was done. numbers of British soldiers also were returned, but the main six British companies still operated as before. with the 7 & 10 companies sent to TEL, while the others (5, 6, 8 and 9Co's) continued patrol and garrison duty in the Western desert and Palestine and Sinai.

Mate like I said we are here to help where possible

S.B

 

17 hours ago, stevenbecker said:

Mates,

Yes my mistake he must be in that first group

Berks men to the ICC start with these men as the first group

Luff    Thomas    50003    Cpl    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex 2 Troop ASqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1741) and Corps of Hussars (327114) brothers Henry (1973) and Edmund (2257) Berkshire Yeo & MGC
Stevenson    Vivian McG    50007    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex ASqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1740) and Corps of Hussars
Hermon    Arthur William    50008    Sgt    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 to T/CSM (after Guppy WIA at Es Salt) 5-18 DCM - possibly at Amman Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1857) and Corps of Hussars
Pope    Charles    50011    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2261) and Corps of Hussars
Munday    Dick    50017    L/Cpl    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 MID - reason not stated Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2628) and Corps of Hussars brothers Thomas and Harry
Coultas    Sidney G    50026    Pte    Tos 8Co 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1983) and Corps of Hussars (327165) WIA 12-15 with WFF 
Bellenger    Thomas H.    50028    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex 2 Troop DSqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1711) and (70286)

The other grouping


Armstrong    Frank    50100    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex CSqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1879) and Corps of Hussars
Bennett    Arthur Charles    50101    Pte    Tos 8Co 4-16 killed at Amman NKG listed on the Jerusalem War Memorial Palestine Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2681) and Corps of Dragoons (70612)
Eggleton    Edwin T.    50103    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2754) and Corps of Hussars (327151) died 1-3-1979 shown in Rory Moore's news letter
Fisher    Sydney    50104    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2772) and Corps of Hussars
Funnell    John C    50105    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 awarded Victor Ludorum (Latin) medal for sports 28-6-18 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2195) at Gallipoli and Corps of Hussars
Gosling    Francis Moss    50106    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2817) and Corps of Hussars
Grover    Walter J.    50107    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2818) and Worcester Yeo (327119)
Hall    Thomas    50108    Pte    Tos 8Co 4-16 Ex ASqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo and Worcester Yeo (327263) 
Hodges or Hodge    Horace John    50109    Pte    Tos 8Co 4-16 shown ICC to Sig killed at Es Salt NKG listed on the Jerusalem War Memorial Palestine Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1730) and Corps of Hussars age 23
Hooker    Robert H    50110    Pte    Tos 8Co 4-16 WIA 27-3-18 at Amman Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1884) and Corps of Hussars
Holloway    William C    50111    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 WIA 27-3-18 (minor) at Amman Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2728) later Spr Royal Engineers WR/195655)
King    Reginald C.    50112    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2793) later Royal Engineers (495715)
Langford    Alfred    50113    A/Cpl    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2621) and Corps of Hussars (50113)
Mercer    John     50114    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2779) and 
Millar (Miller)    Thomas Cecil Reginald    50115    L/Cpl    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 WIA 29-3-18 (minor) at Amman died of wounds buried Jerusalem War Cemetery Palestine Ex DSqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2070) and Corps of Hussars (also Corps of Dragoons (70095) or (70096) age 27
Munday    Harry    50116    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (911) and Corps of Hussars brothers Thomas and Dick
Neville    Percy C    50117    Pte    Tos 8Co 4-16 shown ICC batman to Lt Inchbald Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2738) and Corps of Hussars
Penford    Frederick J    50118    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 WIA 27-3-18 at Amman Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1404) and Corps of Hussars
Rhodes    James T.    50119    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 to Sig Ex 3/1 Berkshire Yeo (2696) and Corps of Hussars
Painter    John    50120    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 died dysentry buried Port Said War Cemetery Egypt Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2790) and Corps of Hussars to Dragoons (70691) 
Stagg    Thomas EH    50122    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 ICC Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2710) and Corps of Hussars
Walters    Dudley    50123    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 WIA 27-3-18 at Amman Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1887) and Corps of Hussars
Hawkins    Edward    50124    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2684) and Worcester Yeo (327145)
Herbert    George H    50125    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2737) and Corps of Hussars
Home    Stanley T    50126    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1784) and Corps of Hussars
Johnson    James    50127    L/Cpl    shown ICC Tos 8Co 4-16 WIA 28-3-18 (minor) at Amman Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1713) and Corps of Hussars
Robson    Jack    50128    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (70445) and Corps of Hussars
Munday    Thomas    50130    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2629) and Corps of Hussars brothers Harry and Dick
Priddy    Samuel L.    50131    A/Cpl    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1962) and Corps of Hussars

 

Of cause 50100 to 50131 appears right (@ 30 men) , the outlyers 50003 to 50028 seam out of place?

I had wondered if these (500--) were the first group and I missed the others in that group, and or the 501-- men are the second group?
So far I am not smarter.

Andrew anything from your end in Berks records?

just so you don't think I mucked up the others in the 500-- group are (all 8Co men from other Yeomanry Regts)

Guppy    William R    50000    Cpl    Tos 8Co 4-16 to CSM WIA 1-5-18 at Es Salt DCM MID - reason not stated rtn 11-18 shown in group photo of Dorset Men in 8Co ICC Ex 1/1 Dorset Yeo (Queen’s Own) (1199) and Corps of Hussars (230497) rtn (538984)
Fisher    Aubrey     50001    Pte    Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (1605) and Corps of Hussars
Luff    Thomas    50003    Cpl    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex 2 Troop ASqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1741) and Corps of Hussars (327114) brothers Henry (1973) and Edmund (2257) Berkshire Yeo & MGC
Moss    Gerald E    50004    Cpl    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (205585) and 1/8 Hampshire Regt (205681) to Royal Army Service Corps
Mullett    Thomas    50005    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (1127) and Worcester Yeo (205274)
Oldfield    George    50006    Sgt    Tos possibly 10Co? 5-16 Ex 1/1 East Riding Yeo and Corps of Hussars Worked in Hodgson’s tannery born 1865 4xSon's Arthur, Edger, Frank & Harold in ERY 
Stevenson    Vivian McG    50007    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex ASqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1740) and Corps of Hussars
Hermon    Arthur William    50008    Sgt    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 to T/CSM (after Guppy WIA at Es Salt) 5-18 DCM - possibly at Amman Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1857) and Corps of Hussars
Gould    Albert G.    50009    Pte    Tos 8Co 4-16 shown in group photo of Dorset Men in 8Co ICC Ex 1/1 Dorset Yeo (Queen’s Own) (1362) and Corps of Hussars (230633)
Chessman    Consett Edward    50010    CQMS    Tos 10Co 5-16 Ex SQMS 1/1 East Riding Yeo (357) and Corps of Hussars Farmer born 1878
Pope    Charles    50011    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2261) and Corps of Hussars
Fowler    C.S    50013    Cpl    Ex Sussex Yeo and Corps of Hussars (50013) prom 2/Lt Royal Air Force
Roberts     Denis    50014    Pte    Ex County of London Yeo (1583) and Corps of Hussars 
Roberts     David W.S    50016    Pte    Ex Bucks Yeo (1805) and Corps of Hussars 
Munday    Dick    50017    L/Cpl    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 MID - reason not stated Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2628) and Corps of Hussars brothers Thomas and Harry
Bolt    Arthur E.    50018    Sgt    Tos sect Sgt 8Co (Lt Ryan's Sect) 4-16 recom VC awarded DCM MID - possibly for his actions after the deaths of Capt Mason-Macfarlane & Lt Ryan on patrol to Baharia Oasis & Italian Order Ex 1/1 Dorset Yeo (Queen’s Own) (940) and Corps of Hussars (230300) rtn (539358)
Ward     Mark    50019    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 shown in group photo of Dorset Men in 8Co ICC Ex ASqn/1/1 Dorset Yeo (Queen’s Own) (698) and Corps of Hussars author of an account of the Farafra Oasis operation 10-16 
Greening    Walter V.    50020    L/Cpl    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 DCM - possibly at Amman shown in group photo of Dorset Men in 8Co ICC Ex 1/1 Dorset Yeo (Queen’s Own) (1311) and Corps of Hussars
Harper    George D.    50021    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (808) to Corps of Hussars (205099) to Worcester Regt (327104)
Barnes    Benjamin C.V.    50022    L/Cpl    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 reported to 7Co date? WIA 29-3-18 (minor) at Amman Ex 1/1 Dorset Yeo (Queen’s Own) (1388) and Corps of Hussars 
Kettle     Reginald    50024    L/Cpl    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Dorset Yeo (Queen’s Own) (612) and Corps of Hussars 
Coultas    Sidney G    50026    Pte    Tos 8Co 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1983) and Corps of Hussars (327165) WIA 12-15 with WFF 
Powell    Basil    50027    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (908) and Worcester Yeo (205145)
Bellenger    Thomas H.    50028    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex 2 Troop DSqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1711) and (70286)
Betts    Leslie J    50029    L/Cpl    possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (2445) and Corps of Hussars
Blay    Arthur    50030    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 WIA 1-5-18 at Es Salt Ex (unit unknown) and Corps of Hussars (shown 1st Camel Corps on Medal Index Cards) 
Boulton    Geofrey    50031    L/Cpl    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (1749) to Corps of Hussars
Boyce    Arthur C.    50032    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC MID place and date unknown? Ex Bucks Yeo (2219) and Corps of Hussars possibly to Egyptian CTC to Worcester Yeo (205812)
Brooks    William    50033    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (1772) and Corps of Hussars (205494) knick name "taffy"
Calvert    Wallace    50034    Pte    Tos 8Co 4-16 WIA 1-5-18 at Es Salt reported WIA & MIA DoW 1-5-18 NKG listed on Jerusalem Memorial Palestine Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (1987) to Corps of Hussars (205639)
Crispin    Thomas Roger    50036    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (2192) to Corps of Hussars prom 2/Lt
Davies    Charles S    50037    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (2089) to Corps of Hussars
Fletcher    Colin    50038    Pte    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (2397) to Corps of Hussars
Gentry    Christopher    50039    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (1934) and Corps of Hussars (205601)
Godden    Edward Coote    50040    L/Cpl    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 killed at Amman NKG listed on the Jerusalem War Memorial Palestine Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (2290) and Corps of Hussars (205836) age 21
 

S.B

Hi Steve

Thank you so very much for all the effort you have gone to for me, it is so interesting, especially to think how very few men were actually in the ICC. It's amazing to think he even survived, especially after surgery back then. Can I ask what the Tos abbreviation means ? Thank you for adding his Victor Ludorum at the end too. You guys are amazing!

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22 hours ago, AndrewFrench said:

Dear Joan

I can confirm that JC Funnel joined the Berks Yeomanry at Yeomanry House Reading on the 16th September. He may have been initially posted to the Rserve Regiment or to the First Line regiment, but no record exists. However, in anycase all new enlistees were required to sign the ISO (otherwise they would not be enlisted). By April 1915 he was part of the original First line (now referred to as the 1/1st Berkshire Yeomanry which sailed for Egypt in April 1915, as part of the Second Mounted Division. 

In early August the Division was tasked to reinforce the landing at Suvla Bay in Gallipoli with each regiment sending two squadrons of 160 men each. A large rear party of the Berks Yeomanry need to stay to look after the horses at Abbassia Barracks Cairo. We know from a register compiled at the time that John FUnnell was one of the men who stayed behind as part of B Squadron

In early November the B Squarion became part of the 2nd Composite Yeomanry Regiment formed at short notice to fight on the Western Frontier. If you search on the forum for "Western Frontier Force" Steve, myself and others have posted extensively on the details. I do know form a notebook the Tpr Funnell was injured but  no details are recorded. 

I will be able to add some more in due course

Please also have a look at our newly revamped website at The Berkshire Yeomanry Museum

All the best

Andrew

Andrew French, Captain (retd)

Asst. hon. curator

www.berkshireyeomanrymuseum.org

 

 

22 hours ago, AndrewFrench said:

Hi Joan

Forgot to ask can you posts any pics you have of your grandfather. We have a large collection of photos at the Museum, and I might be able to find a match for you. When men joined the regiment after outbreak of the war every effort was made to post men to appropriate Squadron

A (Windsor) Squadron for men from East Berkshire 

B (Reading) Squadron for men from Reading and district

D (Wantage) Squadron for men from West and North Berks

Knowing where he came from would help narrow my search for you.

Regards

Andrew

Hi Andrew, thank you for your replies. He would have been in the Reading group B. Would you be able to tell me the date he was injured? I was always told he drank contaminated water that had a dead camel (or worse) in & had a big operation to remove his appendix & a lot of his intestine. Amazing he even survived. I would love to know if there are any photos of him at the museum, especially in a group. He was very good with horses, he said lots of them he rode in Egypt were thoroughbreds or ex race horses. He was around 30 years old when he signed up so pretty old by most standards so maybe that's why he was left behind with the horses? He spoke Arabic by the time he got home. I think after the war he worked at Aldershot so he was still useful to the army. 

My Aunt, his daughter is still living so I need to contact her to ask if I can use his photographs if that's ok. Would you like me to email them to the email address on your museum website if she is in agreement? 

Many thanks for your help.

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Hi all

I have some more information. Joan telling us her granfather ran marathons has pointed me at the report from Freburary 1915. It also shows that Pte JC Funnell was posted to the 2/1st then stationed at Bearwood Manor Shinfield. He must have been posted to the First Line shortly after this.

I will send the full report of the race which mentions Pte Funnell several times

IN the meantime I have nothing more than Steve has already posted except that he also had another Regimental number 70238 from 1917. I have no record of whre I got this but suspect it was from the ICC medal rolls.

Finally

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A Berks Yeomanry Sergeant of the 8th Coy ICC. I don't know who this is it signed on back "to Douglas from Fred Sept 1916"

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Hi all

I have some more information. Joan telling us her granfather ran marathons has pointed me at the report from Freburary 1915. It also shows that Pte JC Funnell was posted to the 2/1st then stationed at Bearwood Manor Shinfield. He must have been posted to the First Line shortly after this.

I will send the full report of the race which mentions Pte Funnell several times

IN the meantime I have nothing more than Steve has already posted except that he also had another Regimental number 70238 from 1917. I have no record of whre I got this but suspect it was from the ICC medal rolls.

Finally

281274596_UnknownBerksYeoSergt(ICC)Sept1916RatcliifeArchiveFRONT.jpg.8837b1ea8204ee89a5ce42eb38c72fd7.jpg

A Berks Yeomanry Sergeant of the 8th Coy ICC. I don't know who this is it signed on back "to Douglas from Fred Sept 1916"

Thanks Andrew I have been reading the info on your website, it's fantastic! I read this & thought immediately could it have been there that my grandfather became ill? 

"Following this successful campaign the Brigade could be redeployed to the east and on 20 March 1916 the Berkshire Yeomanry returned to Mersa Matruh. Bert Haines wrote: “One day in the desert we came upon an old Roman Cistern and the wells being full of water we watered up, bathed, filled water wagons and bottles. Rapidly the source dried up. Calling for Regimental Engineers they descended down inside and found to their amazement two dead camels and two dead Turks!!”

This is exactly what he said, I didn't think it could be true as I thought no way could a camel would fit down a well! There's also mention of just 35 volunteers from the Berkshire regiment that joined the ICC, does that mean he was one of the 35?

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Mates,

Yes sounds about right, the 8th Company was the first British company to be formed after the four Aussie Companies were raised.

24-4-16  8Co under Capt Mason-MacFarlane (6th (Yeomanry) Mtd Bde - 1/1 Royal Bucks, 1/1 Berks, 1/1 Dorset Yeo *Queens Own & 1/2 County of London *Westmister Dragoons) arrived ICC depot

26-4-16  4Co moved to Moghara

30-4-16  9Co under Maj the Earl Winterton (8th (Yeomanry) Mtd Bde - 1/1 County of London *Middlesex Hussars 1/3 County of London *Sharpshooters, 1/1 City of London *Rough riders & 1/1 West Kent Yeo) arrived ICC depot

 May 1916

 5-16      4Co patrols out to Siwa via Gara while at Moghara with No 6 LCP (Lt Davidson Ex Denbeigh Yeo) & Mr Henley MLA ACF (Aust Comforts Fund) arrived

4-5-16   10Co under Maj Bardwell (22nd (Yeomanry) Mtd Bde - 1/1 East Riding, 1/1 Stafford, 1/1 Lincoln Yeo & Rhodesians) arrived ICC depot

5-5-16   Lt Clarke arrived 4Co shown moved to 2Co (OC 2 sect) date unknown at Sollum WFF

25-5-16  6Co under Maj Knoop (4th (South Wales  & Welsh Border Yeomanry) Mtd Bde - 1/1 Cheshire, 1/1 Shropshire, 1/1 Montgomery, 1/1 Glemorgan, 1/1 Pembroke & 1/1 Denbigh Yeo) arrived ICC depot

26-5-16  5Co under Capt Wilson (53 Div (Welsh)  - (158 Bde - 1/1 Hereford, 1/5 to 1/7 Royal Welsh Fusiliers, 159 Bde - 1/4 & 1/6 Cheshire & 1/4 & 1/5 Welsh Regt, & 160 Bde - Monmouth, 1/4 Sussex, 2/4 Royal West Kent, 2/10 Middlesex & 2/4 Queens West Surrey Regt) arrived ICC depot (5Co war dairy also shows 1/6 Essex Regt)

31-5-16  7Co (54 Div (East Anglian) - 161 Bde - (1/4 to 1/17 Essex Regt, 162 Bde - 1/5 Bedford, 1/4 Northampton & 1/10 to 1/11 London Regt, 163 Bde - 1/4 to 1/5 Norfolk, 1/5 Suffolk & 1/8 Hampshire Regt) arrived ICC depot

The 8Co deployed into the field

16-6-16   8Co under Capt Mason-MacFarlane (5 officers 122 men 4 natives 150 camels) moved to Shusha (Samalut) for patrols out to Baharia Oasis (Lt's Ryan, Paterson, Inchbald & Huth) with No 6 LCP (Lt Davidson Ex Denbigh Yeo) around Moghara

Austrailian records show an officer and 17 men from each unit, while by the time the British companies were raised, it was 1 officer and 30 men from each unit.

Each unit group was to form there own section in the new camel company

As the war went on, and new men arrived, they tried to keep the same Yeo Regt soldiers in the same companies

So a East Riding Yeo soldier who arrived in 1917 would possibly be placed in the 10Co

The companies had been formed before they arrived at the ICC depot at Abbassia, in the first Aussie companies, that was at Tel el Kabir, where they were grouped, but the British companies are unknown?

Andrew interesting photo, I wonder if it was the men sending it or someone else?

There were not a lot of Sgts from the Berks in the ICC

Batten    Harry    1259    Sgt    family reported ICC but not confirmed possibly RTU as reported killed in action with Lt Headington's Troop in Judean Hills Ex C Troop CSqn 1/1 Berkshire Yeo and Corps of Hussars (70260)    KIA 29-11-17
Hermon    Arthur William    50008    Sgt    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 to T/CSM (after Guppy WIA at Es Salt) 5-18 DCM - possibly at Amman Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1857) and Corps of Hussars    
Elbro    William C.    51118    Sgt    shown ICC Tos possibly 8Co? to Sad/Sgt HQ/3Bn 12-16 shown Sig/Sgt 1-17 should be Sad/Sgt HQ/3Bn 1-17 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2813) and Worcester Yeo (327190)    
 

there was also

Sims    Harry W    1772    Pte    Tos shown 8Co to Sgt Ex 1/2 City of London Yeo (1772) and (1/1 Berkshire Yeo) and Corps of Hussars (327631)
James    R (possibly Richard)    8951    T/CSM    possibly 8Co? ICC? Ex Sgt Royal Berkshire Regt to Royal Warwick Regt (14126) 
Freeman    Harold Geoffrey    1683    CQMS    possibly 8Co? Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo and Corps of Hussars (70280) disch 26-6-17 to Royal Flying Corps prom 2/Lt 27-6-17 to Royal Air Force

or possibly one of these prom

Luff    Thomas    50003    Cpl    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? 4-16 Ex 2 Troop ASqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1741) and Corps of Hussars (327114) brothers Henry (1973) and Edmund (2257) Berkshire Yeo & MGC    
Munday    Dick    50017    L/Cpl    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 MID - reason not stated Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2628) and Corps of Hussars brothers Thomas and Harry    
Langford    Alfred    50113    A/Cpl    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2621) and Corps of Hussars (50113)    
Millar (Miller)    Thomas Cecil Reginald    50115    L/Cpl    Tos 8Co ICC 4-16 WIA 29-3-18 (minor) at Amman died of wounds buried Jerusalem War Cemetery Palestine Ex DSqn/1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2070) and Corps of Hussars (also Corps of Dragoons (70095) or (70096) age 27    WIA 29-3-18 DoW 31-3-18
Johnson    James    50127    L/Cpl    shown ICC Tos 8Co 4-16 WIA 28-3-18 (minor) at Amman Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1713) and Corps of Hussars    WIA 28-3-18 
Priddy    Samuel L.    50131    A/Cpl    Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (1962) and Corps of Hussars    
 

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Hi Steve

Yes I was wondering if I could i/d "Harry"

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I know from photos we have it is not Sergt Batten or Luff or Hermon. Of the latter a bit off subject but here is a couple of pictures of AWM Hermon DCM ICC esp as SSM showing good selection of badge etc

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I will go through the other "Harry" options over the weekend

All the best

Andrew

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Extracts from the 1/1st Berks Yeomanry War Diary

6th September 1916

A draft of six other ranks was sent to reinforce the section of Imperial Camel Corps supplied by this Regiment.

 

1st December 1916 AYUN MUSA

Strength:         28 officers,      446 other ranks

Detached         4 officers,        51 other ranks - Imperial Camel Corps

Total               32 officers,      497 other ranks.

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Hi Joan 

You can send any pictures to the museum email or my personal email - (Deleted by Admin please use GWF PM system to exchange email addresses rather than the open forum) . If you are able to copy the pictures, can I ask that it is done at a minimum of 600 dpi.

When I get home tonight, I will post the details regarding cross country race in Reading. in which your grandfather participated. Also, I have a little more detail regarding Tpr Funnell for December 1915.

All the best

Andrew

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Hi Joan 

You can send any pictures to the museum email or my personal email - If you are able to copy the pictures, can I ask that it is done at a minimum of 600 dpi.

When I get home tonight, I will post the details regarding cross country race in Reading. in which your grandfather participated. Also, I have a little more detail regarding Tpr Funnell for December 1915.

All the best

Andrew

Thank you so much! All of this is so interesting & I really appreciate the efforts of everyone helping. As soon as I get permission from my aunt I will email the photos to you. 

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MILITARY CROSS-COUNTRY RACE.

BRILLIANT SUCCESS.

On Saturday [16th Feb] a very successful cross-country race for soldiers  stationed in the three counties was organised and carried out by the Berks, Bucks and Oxon Cross-country Association, Reading. Ninety-six soldiers and six civilians competed. which was the largest number who have ever taken part is a cross-country race at Reading. The event attracted a large number of spectators to see the start and finish of the rum. Forty runners, representing two Battalions of the Berks and Oxon Light Infantry, ran remarkably well, and all finished the course The B. and O.L.T. have proved themselves champion crane-country runners. Followers of the pastime will remember on January 30th at Aldershot, from a field of 800 runners the 5th Battalion won the team race and challenge shield. The first man home in the race on Saturday was Sam Woods, 13th Durhams, whilst Gent and Davis, 7th Battalion Royal Berks, finished second and third respectively. It was very regrettable, especially so the race was held in Reading. that neither the Regiment Depot nor the 7th and 8th Battalions entered teams In the race. Had Davis and Gent’s fellow soldiers supported them most probably they would have won the team race. In the forthcoming race it is to be hoped Reading soldiers will turn out in strong force.

The officials were,--Starter: Capt. Hatt. Berks Yeomanry. Referee: Major Llewellyn. 8th O. and B.L.I. Judges: Capt. W Wheeler, 7th O. and B.L.I., Lieut. Headington, Berks Yeomanry Lieut. Bartrum, 8th O. and B.L.I., Lieut. R. R. Pemberton, Lieut. O. R. Dawson, 7th O. and B.L I. and Messrs. T. J. Waldron. C. Webb and A. E. Winslow, of the R.A.C. Timekeeper Mr. J. E. Resole). Berks, Bucks and Oxon Cron-counter Association. Time-keeper's recorder: Mr. H. S. Dray. R.A.C. Competitors' Stewards: Sergt.-Major S. C. E. Evans, Berks Yeomanry, Messrs. L. A. Swain and A. C. Cullum. Clerks of the course: Messrs. F. Cooper. B. Worth. P. W. Snell and P. A. Martin. Trail layers: Messrs. A. C. Cullum and .1. T. Bridges. Hon. secretary and treasurer of the Association; Mr. J. T. Bridge., who was responsible for the entire arrangement's, to whom the credit for the success of the race is largely due.

THE COURSE.

Owing to the Fobney meadows being under water another course had to be selected in the direction of Southcote, and this proved to be an ideal one. The runners were in view practically the whole of the distant. from Southcote-lane and Bath-road. A large crowd collected in Coley-avenue to see the start and finish, and along the course in Southcote-lane and Bath-road were numerous motorist. and cyclists. Starting by Yeomanry House in Coley-avenue, the competitor. ran down Coley-avenue and turned along the footpath to the Great Western Railway then the, crossed the wooden bridge and proceeded under the arch and along the lane into Mr. Craig’s meadow. Thence they went past Briskoe’s cottage. and turned on to the footpath towards Burfield and across Burghfield-road and into a ploughed field. entering Bath-road by the “Horn Castle” Inn. Leaving Bath-road, the field ran up Cockney Hill into Prospect Park and across the Bath-road into gravel pit field, along Southcote-lane into the large ploughed field, under the arch and finished in Coley Avenue.

The Association is greatly indebted to the Mayor and Corporation of Reading for the use of Prospect Park, and to Messrs. W. E. Craig, W. Fidler and G. Denton, who kindly allowed the competitors to cross their lands. The Executive Committee of the Reading Athletic Club paced their harrier headquarters, Palmer Hall, West-street, at the disposal of the Association for dressing  accommodation.

The prizes were presented Mr. J. E. Beasley, of the Reading Athletic Club, to the successful competitors. Medals were awarded to the first three soldiers to complete the course. The scoring five of the winning team each received a medal presented by the Earl of Roselyn. A second set of medals was given by Mr. A. E. Winslow, and ware awarded to the second team to finish.

THE RACE

At 3.45 Captain Hatt started the Geld of log runners on their journey. Wood early took the lead, with Brooks. Dario, Gent Stebbings and Funnell close up. At the one mile the leaders' positions were Wood. Davis, Gent, Seymour, Funnell, Stebbings and Bellerby. Wood maintained the lead for two and a half miles, when Brooks made the running for half-a-mile. At four miles the positions were Woods, Bellerby, Brooks Willett, Seymour, Gent, Davis and Funnell. Wood, the Northern Counties A.A.A. champion. won easily. The distance was just over five miles, and the “going” heavy. –

THE PLACINGS.

The placings were as follows:

1.    Bugler S. Wood. 13th D.L.I                          32m 2s

2. J. Davis, 7th Royal Berks                               33m 7s

3. Corpl. A. Gent, 7th Royal Berks                    33m 11s

4. L.Cpl. G. Willett, 7th D.L.I.                          33m 20s

5. Pte. Seymour, Berks Yeomanry "A"              33m 23s

 

20th February 1915

READING

Military cross-country at Reading      SEE PAPER FOR DETAILS

 

starter Capt. Hatt or Hutt

Medal card of Hutt, CW   

Corps          Regiment No   Rank

Royal Army Medical Corps                       Capt.

Date 1914-1920 Catalogue reference WO 372/10

Pos medical officer 2/1st Berkshire Yeomanry

ARMY SERVICE CORPS.

Headquarters 2nd Mounted Division, 2nd South Midland Mounted Brigade.

Second Lieutenant Richard C. Hatt to be Capt. (temporary). Dated 1st November, 1914.

Harold Ernest Hatt to be Second Lieutenant. Dated 25th November,

 

 

Posn

Name

Team

Time

5th

Pte Seymour

Berkshire Yeomanry A

33.25

6th

Pte J.C. Funnell

Berkshire Yeomanry A

33.40

8th

Pte Simmonds [Poss FJT 2361]

Berkshire Yeomanry A

34.25

9th

Pte Brookes

Berkshire Yeomanry A

34.33

25th

Pte A Lovejoy

Berkshire Yeomanry B

36.20

25th

Pte A Lovegrove [See Rdg Obsvr]

Berkshire Yeomanry B

36.20

32nd

Pte E Morley

Berkshire Yeomanry B

37.07

39th

Pte Bowyer

Berkshire Yeomanry A

37.33

50th

Pte B Cross

Berkshire Yeomanry B

37.46

51st

Pte H Salt

Berkshire Yeomanry A

37.47

61st

Cpl [CA] Hutt

Berkshire Yeomanry A

37.57

66th

LCpl Wright [poss AW]

 

38.58

67th

Sergt D Clements [See Rdg Obsvr]

Berkshire Yeomanry B

39.40

79th

Pte H. Tuckie

Berkshire Yeomanry B

41.5

80-89

 

 

 

 

Also Ran

 

 

 

Pte Ford

Berkshire Yeomanry A

 

 

Pte E. Small

Berkshire Yeomanry A

 

 

Pte A. Dickie

Berkshire Yeomanry B

 

 

 

 

 

 

TEAM PLACINGS.

Teams of 10. first 5 to count.

 

2nd.     Berk. Yeomanry “A.” - Pte. Seymour 3, Pte. Funnell 4. Pte. 6, Pte. Brooks 7. Pte. Bowyer 36.                                                                               =        56

Also finished Pte. H. Salt 46, Corpl. Hutt 58.

8th     Berks Yeomanry “B."—Pte. A. Lovejoy 22, Pte. E. Morely 29, Pte. B. Cross 47, Lce.-Corpl. C. Wright 63, Sergt. D. Clements 64 .       =          295

Also finished Pte. H. Tuckie 79.

ANOTHER RACE.

We are asked to state that it is very probable that a similar race will be held is about three weeks tines at Reading It is hoped that a larger entry still will be received, and that several more sets of medals will be given. Sergt.-Major S. C. H. Evans, Berks Yeomanry (amateur boxing champion 1908) has been arranging races amongst the recruits at Bear Wood and was rewarded by seeing his team finish second.

 

Capt. teams were

1st .. ..  7th Bn Ox & Bucks LI

2nd .. .. Berkshire Yeomanry A

 

8th.. ..   Berkshire Yeomanry B

Reading Observer 19 & 26th February 1915

 

 

 

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MILITARY CROSS-COUNTRY RACE.

BRILLIANT SUCCESS.

On Saturday [16th Feb] a very successful cross-country race for soldiers  stationed in the three counties was organised and carried out by the Berks, Bucks and Oxon Cross-country Association, Reading. Ninety-six soldiers and six civilians competed. which was the largest number who have ever taken part is a cross-country race at Reading. The event attracted a large number of spectators to see the start and finish of the rum. Forty runners, representing two Battalions of the Berks and Oxon Light Infantry, ran remarkably well, and all finished the course The B. and O.L.T. have proved themselves champion crane-country runners. Followers of the pastime will remember on January 30th at Aldershot, from a field of 800 runners the 5th Battalion won the team race and challenge shield. The first man home in the race on Saturday was Sam Woods, 13th Durhams, whilst Gent and Davis, 7th Battalion Royal Berks, finished second and third respectively. It was very regrettable, especially so the race was held in Reading. that neither the Regiment Depot nor the 7th and 8th Battalions entered teams In the race. Had Davis and Gent’s fellow soldiers supported them most probably they would have won the team race. In the forthcoming race it is to be hoped Reading soldiers will turn out in strong force.

The officials were,--Starter: Capt. Hatt. Berks Yeomanry. Referee: Major Llewellyn. 8th O. and B.L.I. Judges: Capt. W Wheeler, 7th O. and B.L.I., Lieut. Headington, Berks Yeomanry Lieut. Bartrum, 8th O. and B.L.I., Lieut. R. R. Pemberton, Lieut. O. R. Dawson, 7th O. and B.L I. and Messrs. T. J. Waldron. C. Webb and A. E. Winslow, of the R.A.C. Timekeeper Mr. J. E. Resole). Berks, Bucks and Oxon Cron-counter Association. Time-keeper's recorder: Mr. H. S. Dray. R.A.C. Competitors' Stewards: Sergt.-Major S. C. E. Evans, Berks Yeomanry, Messrs. L. A. Swain and A. C. Cullum. Clerks of the course: Messrs. F. Cooper. B. Worth. P. W. Snell and P. A. Martin. Trail layers: Messrs. A. C. Cullum and .1. T. Bridges. Hon. secretary and treasurer of the Association; Mr. J. T. Bridge., who was responsible for the entire arrangement's, to whom the credit for the success of the race is largely due.

THE COURSE.

Owing to the Fobney meadows being under water another course had to be selected in the direction of Southcote, and this proved to be an ideal one. The runners were in view practically the whole of the distant. from Southcote-lane and Bath-road. A large crowd collected in Coley-avenue to see the start and finish, and along the course in Southcote-lane and Bath-road were numerous motorist. and cyclists. Starting by Yeomanry House in Coley-avenue, the competitor. ran down Coley-avenue and turned along the footpath to the Great Western Railway then the, crossed the wooden bridge and proceeded under the arch and along the lane into Mr. Craig’s meadow. Thence they went past Briskoe’s cottage. and turned on to the footpath towards Burfield and across Burghfield-road and into a ploughed field. entering Bath-road by the “Horn Castle” Inn. Leaving Bath-road, the field ran up Cockney Hill into Prospect Park and across the Bath-road into gravel pit field, along Southcote-lane into the large ploughed field, under the arch and finished in Coley Avenue.

The Association is greatly indebted to the Mayor and Corporation of Reading for the use of Prospect Park, and to Messrs. W. E. Craig, W. Fidler and G. Denton, who kindly allowed the competitors to cross their lands. The Executive Committee of the Reading Athletic Club paced their harrier headquarters, Palmer Hall, West-street, at the disposal of the Association for dressing  accommodation.

The prizes were presented Mr. J. E. Beasley, of the Reading Athletic Club, to the successful competitors. Medals were awarded to the first three soldiers to complete the course. The scoring five of the winning team each received a medal presented by the Earl of Roselyn. A second set of medals was given by Mr. A. E. Winslow, and ware awarded to the second team to finish.

THE RACE

At 3.45 Captain Hatt started the Geld of log runners on their journey. Wood early took the lead, with Brooks. Dario, Gent Stebbings and Funnell close up. At the one mile the leaders' positions were Wood. Davis, Gent, Seymour, Funnell, Stebbings and Bellerby. Wood maintained the lead for two and a half miles, when Brooks made the running for half-a-mile. At four miles the positions were Woods, Bellerby, Brooks Willett, Seymour, Gent, Davis and Funnell. Wood, the Northern Counties A.A.A. champion. won easily. The distance was just over five miles, and the “going” heavy. –

THE PLACINGS.

The placings were as follows:

1.    Bugler S. Wood. 13th D.L.I                          32m 2s

2. J. Davis, 7th Royal Berks                               33m 7s

3. Corpl. A. Gent, 7th Royal Berks                    33m 11s

4. L.Cpl. G. Willett, 7th D.L.I.                          33m 20s

5. Pte. Seymour, Berks Yeomanry "A"              33m 23s

 

20th February 1915

READING

Military cross-country at Reading      SEE PAPER FOR DETAILS

 

starter Capt. Hatt or Hutt

Medal card of Hutt, CW   

Corps          Regiment No   Rank

Royal Army Medical Corps                       Capt.

Date 1914-1920 Catalogue reference WO 372/10

Pos medical officer 2/1st Berkshire Yeomanry

ARMY SERVICE CORPS.

Headquarters 2nd Mounted Division, 2nd South Midland Mounted Brigade.

Second Lieutenant Richard C. Hatt to be Capt. (temporary). Dated 1st November, 1914.

Harold Ernest Hatt to be Second Lieutenant. Dated 25th November,

 

 

Posn

Name

Team

Time

5th

Pte Seymour

Berkshire Yeomanry A

33.25

6th

Pte J.C. Funnell

Berkshire Yeomanry A

33.40

8th

Pte Simmonds [Poss FJT 2361]

Berkshire Yeomanry A

34.25

9th

Pte Brookes

Berkshire Yeomanry A

34.33

25th

Pte A Lovejoy

Berkshire Yeomanry B

36.20

25th

Pte A Lovegrove [See Rdg Obsvr]

Berkshire Yeomanry B

36.20

32nd

Pte E Morley

Berkshire Yeomanry B

37.07

39th

Pte Bowyer

Berkshire Yeomanry A

37.33

50th

Pte B Cross

Berkshire Yeomanry B

37.46

51st

Pte H Salt

Berkshire Yeomanry A

37.47

61st

Cpl [CA] Hutt

Berkshire Yeomanry A

37.57

66th

LCpl Wright [poss AW]

 

38.58

67th

Sergt D Clements [See Rdg Obsvr]

Berkshire Yeomanry B

39.40

79th

Pte H. Tuckie

Berkshire Yeomanry B

41.5

80-89

 

 

 

 

Also Ran

 

 

 

Pte Ford

Berkshire Yeomanry A

 

 

Pte E. Small

Berkshire Yeomanry A

 

 

Pte A. Dickie

Berkshire Yeomanry B

 

 

 

 

 

 

TEAM PLACINGS.

Teams of 10. first 5 to count.

 

2nd.     Berk. Yeomanry “A.” - Pte. Seymour 3, Pte. Funnell 4. Pte. 6, Pte. Brooks 7. Pte. Bowyer 36.                                                                               =        56

Also finished Pte. H. Salt 46, Corpl. Hutt 58.

8th     Berks Yeomanry “B."—Pte. A. Lovejoy 22, Pte. E. Morely 29, Pte. B. Cross 47, Lce.-Corpl. C. Wright 63, Sergt. D. Clements 64 .       =          295

Also finished Pte. H. Tuckie 79.

ANOTHER RACE.

We are asked to state that it is very probable that a similar race will be held is about three weeks tines at Reading It is hoped that a larger entry still will be received, and that several more sets of medals will be given. Sergt.-Major S. C. H. Evans, Berks Yeomanry (amateur boxing champion 1908) has been arranging races amongst the recruits at Bear Wood and was rewarded by seeing his team finish second.

 

Capt. teams were

1st .. ..  7th Bn Ox & Bucks LI

2nd .. .. Berkshire Yeomanry A

 

8th.. ..   Berkshire Yeomanry B

Reading Observer 19 & 26th February 1915

 

 

 

That's wonderful Andrew, thank you!  I think this first medal was the one mentioned here, the 2nd one he received in Abbassia. So this cross country race was held in Reading before they left for Egypt? 

The Victor Ludorum medal is on the right. 918471676_JCFunnellathleticmedal.jpg.8956ba83610e501eb391828e3d48b4c5.jpg

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The medal shows the emblems of the three counties

Browsing stag for Berks

Swan for Bucks

and PRESUMABLY an ox for Oxfordshire

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50 minutes ago, AndrewFrench said:

The medal shows the emblems of the three counties

Browsing stag for Berks

Swan for Bucks

and PRESUMABLY an ox for Oxfordshire

Thanks Andrew, I'm going to scan all the photos today, I'm just waiting to hear from my aunt before I email them. Did you say you also found some info from Dec 1915 for him? 

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Hi Joan

Yes, it from a notebook belonging to a Corpl "Herb" Stone. He records on the 12th of Dec 1915 that Tpr Funnell is listed as at Matrah sick"

I look forward to seeing the pics and being able to add some details ref them

All the best

Andrew

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Andrew,

I notice the site mentions these comment Oct 1916

" 1 Oct Regt strength 27 + 408 det 2 + 37 ICC

The first officer is Inchbald with the main body but who the second officer needs confirming?

The officers I have are

Blyde    Hubert Cave        2/Lt    shown Tos 8Co Ex Sgt ASqn 1/1 Berkshire Yeo prom 2/Lt 15-1-15 MC & MID - for his actions at Gallipoli 21-8-15 to Capt 101 MG Bn 11-5-18 two brothers (Louis and Wilfred 2/Lt Indian Army) Berkshire Yeo


Inchbald    Geoffrey Herbert Elloit        Lt    Tos 8Co ICC 5-16 (commanded Berks Sect) to OC 8Co (from Tredinnick) 4-18 to 6-18 WIA 1-5-18 L/arm shot at Es Salt Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo author "With the Imperial Camel Corps in the Great War" and "Camels and Others" brother Peter Maj RFA Son Anthony Lt Gren Guards KIA 6-12-43 in Italy


Nottidge    Thomas        Lt    shown 10Co at Musselabeh 4-18 shown with Buxton's Force to TEL 7-18 att ICC depot 9-18 Ex 2/Lt 1st Life Guards (France) to T/Capt 1/1 Berkshire Yeo 6-15 att Governor of a Military Prison in the Field 8-16 to Capt Staff brothers Edward RFA KIA 1916 and William Capt Bedford Regt
 

I have no arrival dates for Blyde and Nottidge

So did either arrive before the other?

I did think Blyde maybe the one that arrived with the second wave, but on closer look the Berks did not send a second wave only odds and sods.

Like but no confirmed dates for there arrival also?

Lee     William A.    50184    Pte    Tos 8Co ICC  to batman to RMO Capt McAdoo HQ/3Bn 1-17 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2252) later Essex Regt (302562)     
Murray    John P.    50932    Pte    shown ICC possibly Tos 8Co? Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2822) and Corps of Hussars    
Elbro    William C.    51118    Sgt    shown ICC Tos possibly 8Co? to Sad/Sgt HQ/3Bn 12-16 shown Sig/Sgt 1-17 should be Sad/Sgt HQ/3Bn 1-17 Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2813) and Worcester Yeo (327190)    
Jackson    Albert W.    51421    Pte    Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2626) and Corps of Hussars    (Not confirmed ICC)
Clarke    Edward J.    51422    Pte    Ex 1/1 Berkshire Yeo (2983) and Corps of Hussars    (Not confirmed ICC)

What do you have on both officers?

Cheers

S.B
 

 

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Hi Steve

HC Blyde MC - I have nothing from the war diary saying that Blyde has been posted to the ICC or when he returned to the regiment.

We have several pictures of him you would like to see one or two? 

By Feb 1916 had returned to unit from being posted to Composite Yeomanry Regiment in Salonika. Married in the UK May 13th, 1916.

Feb 1917 is photographed as part of 1/1st Berks Yeomanry in column to recce Turkish presence in Nekhl

 

T Nottidge

                                                War Office,

                                                            20th September, 1916.

TERRITORIAL FORCE.

YEOMANRY.

Berkshire.—2nd Lt. Thomas Nottidge is seconded for duty as Governor of Mil. Prison in the Field. 13th Aug. 1916.

Nottidge - Gazette Issue 29756 published on the 19 September 1916. Page 11 of 14

Second Lieutenant T. Nottidge appointed Temporary Captain and seconded for duty as governor of a military prison in the field i.e. Commandant of a Detention Barracks.

Military Detention Barracks and Prisons.

Mil. Prison in the Field.

Dep. Governor.— (Graded for purposes of pay as a 1st Cl. Comdt. of a Mil. Prison.)—2nd Lt. (temp. Capt.) T. Nottidge, Berks. T.F. 13th Aug. 1916.

He was relieved of this duty Nov 1917

 

Hope this helps a bit

Regards

Andrew

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