mackan1 Posted 18 September , 2013 Share Posted 18 September , 2013 Hello I am looking up my grandfather Andrew Crighton MackieBirth 8 JUL 1899 in Ward Yett Farm, Lochwinnochnd Death 6 JUL1985 in Ballochmyle Hospital. Macquittiston, Ochiltree This is from the end of WWI and he is from scotland. My guess is wwi scottish atillary (lowland) In the photo it looks like he has a cain (guessing for horses). as my dad told me he told him he lost some horses in the war. Is anyone able to help me out what he was in the war? Thanks for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggers Posted 18 September , 2013 Share Posted 18 September , 2013 Welcome to the forum. Can you put up a closeup of the cap, as the badge may be the key. D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 18 September , 2013 Share Posted 18 September , 2013 Welcome to the forum mackan1, he's definately not artillery, any chance of the rest of the photo, the cap badge which has been cropped is the most likely clue Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackan1 Posted 18 September , 2013 Author Share Posted 18 September , 2013 that is the full photo. it is missing his cap. i know just my luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 18 September , 2013 Share Posted 18 September , 2013 Thats a shame, there's a couple of possibles on the MICs - do you know if your grandfather was wounded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackan1 Posted 18 September , 2013 Author Share Posted 18 September , 2013 i dont think he was. my dad told me that only around 80 returned. and he lost horses do to a doom hitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon92 Posted 19 September , 2013 Share Posted 19 September , 2013 The bright stripes on the kilt narrow down the possible regiments quite a bit. One possibility is the MaKenzie tartan worn by 6th Bn Highland Light Infantry and all battalions of The Seaforth Highlanders except the 5th Bn. Two slightly different setts of MacKenzie were worn by these two regiments differing primarily in the placement of the red lines which would not be visible in the image. The other alternative is the Forbes tartan worn by the Liverpool Scottish. Need a view of the headdress or at least the shoulder titles, if any, to make a better determination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackan1 Posted 20 September , 2013 Author Share Posted 20 September , 2013 what about the stick he had on him? and the cord? does this mean anything? thought it might be something to do with horses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackan1 Posted 7 October , 2013 Author Share Posted 7 October , 2013 Could he be in the "Seaforth highlanders" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 7 October , 2013 Share Posted 7 October , 2013 what about the stick he had on him? and the cord? does this mean anything? thought it might be something to do with horses It's a swagger stick used to add to the soldier's smart appearance when walking out ... and allegedly to stop men slovenly stuffing hands in pockets! Not connected with horses or any practical trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 7 October , 2013 Share Posted 7 October , 2013 Here's his entry from the Ancestry transcription of the Scotland 1901 Census .... Name: Andrew Mackie[user correction (looks like the same person as our OP here): Andrew Crighton Mackie]Age: 1Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900Relationship: SonFather's Name: Andrew C MackieMother's Name: Jeanie MackieGender: MaleWhere born: Lochwinnoch, RenfrewshireRegistration number: 570Registration District: LochwinnochCivil Parish: LochwinnochCounty: RenfrewshireAddress: Ward YettED: 1Household Schedule Number: 44Line: 11Roll: CSSCT1901_201Household Members: Name AgeAndrew C Mackie 48Jeanie Mackie 38Richard Mackie 7Margaret G Mackie 5John S Mackie 3Andrew Mackie 1Adam Mackie 2 MoLizzie Giffin 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 7 October , 2013 Share Posted 7 October , 2013 Could he be in the "Seaforth highlanders" It's possible, but so are various other possibles - see gordon92's list in Post #7 The regiments recruiting locally to Lochwinnoch would be the Royal Scots Fusiliers (non-kilted), the HLI (only 6th Bn kilted), and the A&SH. Note though, that there's no guarantee that he would enlist into a "local" regiment. Even more so if he was called up in the second half of the war after conscription was introduced. This map is for general guidance only ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon92 Posted 7 October , 2013 Share Posted 7 October , 2013 In looking at the original photo again, I think I can discern a single hose flash on side of the left leg. The flash also seems to have "humps" consistent with a two belled pattern. If this observation is real, and not illusory, then this soldier is a Seaforth Highlander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Berend Posted 1 May , 2014 Share Posted 1 May , 2014 Hello, In post 7 something is said about the difference in the placement of the red stripes on the mackenzie tartan between the seaforths and the 6th btl hli. Can you tell me what the differences are? Or are there any pictures to show it? Thanks in advance Rene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon92 Posted 2 May , 2014 Share Posted 2 May , 2014 Am on my phone right now, so cannot post pictures. Looking at the apron of the kilt: Seaforth - A vertical single red line down the center. HLI - A vertical red line to the inside of each of the two outside vertical white stripes. Will post pictures this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon92 Posted 2 May , 2014 Share Posted 2 May , 2014 Hello, In post 7 something is said about the difference in the placement of the red stripes on the mackenzie tartan between the seaforths and the 6th btl hli. Can you tell me what the differences are? Or are there any pictures to show it? Thanks in advance Rene Seaforth HLI My description of the HLI pattern in my previous post was not entirely accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 3 May , 2014 Share Posted 3 May , 2014 Out of interest would a kilted soldier have ridden horses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Sweeney Posted 3 May , 2014 Share Posted 3 May , 2014 All, I believe that the soldier in the photo is a Seaforth per Gordon92's input on the garter flash. Below shows Pte Harry Mountain's of the 2nd on the left and a Gordon's on the right. The HLI (No. 5 McKenzie) did have a different sett than the Seaforths (No' 2 McKenzie)---HOWEVER--the 6th Bn used the No. 2 same as the Seaforth's, but in a different pattern. It is made with Knife pleats. Below is a 6th BN HLI Kilt (Pattern 8495/1915--Sept 1915) made in 1918. It was pattern sealed against No.2 McKenzie (PVCN spelling) This is a Seaforth's kilt made in 1916 to pattern 8048/1914 24 April 1914. Seaforth's Kilts were made with a Box pleat and was the only Regiment that had an elastic band attached to the bottom pleats. This Kilt is also set-up IAW the Standing Orders of 1 and 2 Bn Seaforth's which stipulated leather fastening tabs on each side of the Kilt. This has the same sett as the 6th HLI but is a bit more faded. No Kilted men were not expected ride and to wear a Kilt--Drivers and Cyclists were either allowed, trousers, pantaloons or Cyclist Knickers depending on when in the was and what they were doing. Hope This helps, Joe Sweeney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon92 Posted 3 May , 2014 Share Posted 3 May , 2014 Joe, I had not realized that the 6th HLI wore the same Mackenzie as the Seaforth. Thanks for that information. What was the purpose of the elastic band attached to the bottom pleats on Seaforth kilts? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Sweeney Posted 3 May , 2014 Share Posted 3 May , 2014 Mike, I have no idea as to the intent except to guess at it keeping the pleats neat?? Joe Sweeney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 9 May , 2014 Share Posted 9 May , 2014 Mike, I have no idea as to the intent except to guess at it keeping the pleats neat?? Joe Sweeney Yes I agree that it would have been about keeping the pleats gathered but allowing some give during movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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