dominy Posted 16 September , 2013 Share Posted 16 September , 2013 Hello, I was hoping somebody could steer me in the right direction re; the following My great uncle Corporal Alfred Dominy served in the KRRC 9TH BAT during the 1914-18 War. We know that he died on 23rd March 1918 during the German Offensive (Kaiserschlacht?) somewhere around St Quentin. I was hoping to find out; a) Was he wounded on 21st March (as I understand that the 9th took a battering that day) and died later on 23rd Is there more information as to where his battalion were on 23rd March c) Would he have been buried locally and then transferred to St Souplet Cemetry at a later date d) where could I go to find out more detail thanks in advance Andy Dominy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 16 September , 2013 Share Posted 16 September , 2013 Welcome to the forum Andy, Sadly I cannot help you with the KRRC but the experts will be along soon. However I do have intrest in St. Souplet and the name Dominy. My wifes Great Grandfather (see my signature Percival Mogg) was interred in St. Souplet around 1921, he had been taken PoW on 18th March 1918 and died in a German hospital in the Sans Du Nord department on 18th july 1918, his widow made a pilgramage to the cemetery during the spring of 1922 - she was remarried the following year to Sydney Dominy. The name Dominy also features on my wifes other paternal Great Grandfathers side - their beach house at Frinton on Sea was called Dominy. Also the wifes Grandfather wrote about his expolits during WWII under the name John Dominy I suspect that Alfred was brought to St. Souplet post Armistice so it will be worth contacting the CWGC to request an original grave location. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 16 September , 2013 Share Posted 16 September , 2013 22nd March 1918, from "Celer Et Audax" a record of the 9th K.R.R.C. 1914/1918 On the night of the 22nd March Major Lacey reported to the 42nd Infantry Brigade H.Q. that he had with him some 400 details which included a number of men of the 9th K.R.R.C.. He was given instructions to cover the arrival of reinforcements who were going up to occupy the line UGNY - LE GAY - CUGNY (Ugny lies midway between Peronne and Sissons and is some 12 miles west of St. Quentin) In the event of a German breakthrough Major Lacey was to hold the CUGNY - FLAVY line. 23rd March At 7.30am on the 23rd the postiion was again serious. The enemy had forced a crossing of the Crozat Canal between St. Simon and Jussy. Major Lacey took up a line along the Cugny - Flavy road with his right on Flavy Railway Station. Here, he and his command made a determined and valuable resistance until obliged to fall back and conform with his flanks, on the line RIEZ - Cugny in the latre afternoon. That evening he was wounded and evacuated; a serious loss to the Battalion with whom he had been on and off with since 13/6/15. 42nd Infantry Brigade H.Q. war diary 23rd March Very heavy mist. About 7am the enemy had forced a crossing of the canal between St. Simon and Jussy. 1 Coy, 5th Oxs & Bucks L.I. were odered to Flavy Station to reinforce the left plus Major Lacey, 9th KRRC was ordered to take up a position of the Cugny - Flavy Road. By the evening of the 23rd the remnants of the 41st, 42nd & 43rd Brigades were holding on in a line in front of Riez - Les - Cugny. The B.G.C. of the 41st Brigade was in command. Hope this helps a little Regarding St. Souplet, cant answer for the KRRC men in there but there are a good few Rifle Brigade men buried in there from the same period in time, hopefully the commonwealth war graves commission will be able to help you regarding his burial. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 16 September , 2013 Share Posted 16 September , 2013 9th KRRC war diary for 23rd March 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGM Posted 16 September , 2013 Share Posted 16 September , 2013 Soldiers Died in the Great War gives the cause of death for Corporal R/21496 Alfred Lewis DOMINY as "Died" rather than Killed in Action or Died Of Wounds. This suggests maybe illness. CGM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 16 September , 2013 Share Posted 16 September , 2013 Struggling to find a MIC for Alfred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gem Posted 16 September , 2013 Share Posted 16 September , 2013 He is under Alfred Doming MIC shows victory and war medals medal roll M/1013/28 pge3543 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 16 September , 2013 Share Posted 16 September , 2013 Thanks for that gem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominy Posted 16 September , 2013 Author Share Posted 16 September , 2013 Welcome to the forum Andy, Sadly I cannot help you with the KRRC but the experts will be along soon. However I do have intrest in St. Souplet and the name Dominy. My wifes Great Grandfather (see my signature Percival Mogg) was interred in St. Souplet around 1921, he had been taken PoW on 18th March 1918 and died in a German hospital in the Sans Du Nord department on 18th july 1918, his widow made a pilgramage to the cemetery during the spring of 1922 - she was remarried the following year to Sydney Dominy. The name Dominy also features on my wifes other paternal Great Grandfathers side - their beach house at Frinton on Sea was called Dominy. Also the wifes Grandfather wrote about his expolits during WWII under the name John Dominy I suspect that Alfred was brought to St. Souplet post Armistice so it will be worth contacting the CWGC to request an original grave location. Jon Welcome to the forum Andy, Sadly I cannot help you with the KRRC but the experts will be along soon. However I do have intrest in St. Souplet and the name Dominy. My wifes Great Grandfather (see my signature Percival Mogg) was interred in St. Souplet around 1921, he had been taken PoW on 18th March 1918 and died in a German hospital in the Sans Du Nord department on 18th july 1918, his widow made a pilgramage to the cemetery during the spring of 1922 - she was remarried the following year to Sydney Dominy. The name Dominy also features on my wifes other paternal Great Grandfathers side - their beach house at Frinton on Sea was called Dominy. Also the wifes Grandfather wrote about his expolits during WWII under the name John Dominy I suspect that Alfred was brought to St. Souplet post Armistice so it will be worth contacting the CWGC to request an original grave location. Jon Thanks Jon. This is all new to me so I'm finding my way but the info I've already received is fascinating. I have a location for Alfred at St Souplet. My sister lives in Calais and we plan to visit the area soon. I was after more info on his possible movements so we could visit these areas as well. I wondered where he may have been buried when he died before being moved to St Souplet. I'm very interested in the fact that you have 'Dominys' in the family. Alfred was born in Forest Gate, East London and the family ran a chain of menswear shops. Where are your Dominys from? a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominy Posted 16 September , 2013 Author Share Posted 16 September , 2013 22nd March 1918, from "Celer Et Audax" a record of the 9th K.R.R.C. 1914/1918 On the night of the 22nd March Major Lacey reported to the 42nd Infantry Brigade H.Q. that he had with him some 400 details which included a number of men of the 9th K.R.R.C.. He was given instructions to cover the arrival of reinforcements who were going up to occupy the line UGNY - LE GAY - CUGNY (Ugny lies midway between Peronne and Sissons and is some 12 miles west of St. Quentin) In the event of a German breakthrough Major Lacey was to hold the CUGNY - FLAVY line. 23rd March At 7.30am on the 23rd the postiion was again serious. The enemy had forced a crossing of the Crozat Canal between St. Simon and Jussy. Major Lacey took up a line along the Cugny - Flavy road with his right on Flavy Railway Station. Here, he and his command made a determined and valuable resistance until obliged to fall back and conform with his flanks, on the line RIEZ - Cugny in the latre afternoon. That evening he was wounded and evacuated; a serious loss to the Battalion with whom he had been on and off with since 13/6/15. 42nd Infantry Brigade H.Q. war diary 23rd March Very heavy mist. About 7am the enemy had forced a crossing of the canal between St. Simon and Jussy. 1 Coy, 5th Oxs & Bucks L.I. were odered to Flavy Station to reinforce the left plus Major Lacey, 9th KRRC was ordered to take up a position of the Cugny - Flavy Road. By the evening of the 23rd the remnants of the 41st, 42nd & 43rd Brigades were holding on in a line in front of Riez - Les - Cugny. The B.G.C. of the 41st Brigade was in command. Hope this helps a little Regarding St. Souplet, cant answer for the KRRC men in there but there are a good few Rifle Brigade men buried in there from the same period in time, hopefully the commonwealth war graves commission will be able to help you regarding his burial. Andy Thanks, Andy. This is great info as we plan to visit soon. I have a reference for his grave at St Souplet. And thanks for posting the jpg of the reports - very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominy Posted 16 September , 2013 Author Share Posted 16 September , 2013 Soldiers Died in the Great War gives the cause of death for Corporal R/21496 Alfred Lewis DOMINY as "Died" rather than Killed in Action or Died Of Wounds. This suggests maybe illness. CGM Thank for the info. Was this fairly typical? Was illness a big problem during the war? You'll have to forgive me as I'm new to this and my questions may appear naive at times! And where do you all get this info from? a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 16 September , 2013 Share Posted 16 September , 2013 Dominy, The area is a good one to look over and away from the usual crowds. The only problem is that as CGM has pointed out he is listed as died rather than killed in action, so we do not know exactly what happened regarding the circumstances of his death although the 14th Division were having a reasonably torrid time having recently taken over trenches from the French which are described as being in a disgusting state. The defence scheme was not fully in place and so on. I have not looked to see if his record survives which would shed considerably more light on matters. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominy Posted 16 September , 2013 Author Share Posted 16 September , 2013 He is under Alfred Doming MIC shows victory and war medals medal roll M/1013/28 pge3543 Thanks Gem. Is this info generally available? And this would not be the first time this has happened in the family - my first day at school I was wrongly admitted as Doming which was a pain for weeks! a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominy Posted 16 September , 2013 Author Share Posted 16 September , 2013 Dominy, The area is a good one to look over and away from the usual crowds. The only problem is that as CGM has pointed out he is listed as died rather than killed in action, so we do not know exactly what happened regarding the circumstances of his death although the 14th Division were having a reasonably torrid time having recently taken over trenches from the French which are described as being in a disgusting state. The defence scheme was not in place and so on. I have not looked to see if his record survives which would shed considerably more light on matters. Andy I've read a few reports about 21st March 1918 and it seems the 9th Battalion KRRC were all but wiped out by the end of that day along with the 8th Bn KRRC. It is sombre reading indeed. You mention 'if his record survives'. If it did where would I find it? a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 16 September , 2013 Share Posted 16 September , 2013 If his record survives it would be on Ancestry.com, with regard to the medal rolls they are held at Kew (National Archives) The whole 14th Division suffered pretty badly with its commander Vic Couper being one of those relieved, 9th and 7th Rifle Brigade suffered badly by the Crozat Canal on the crossing mentioned earlier and the actions are sometimes difficult to follow accurately during this time, as companies from different battalions were sent here, there and everywhere as mentioned in the Brigade war diary, with 1 Company of the Oxs & Bucks sent up to Flavy to protect the left. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 16 September , 2013 Share Posted 16 September , 2013 It appears that there is no will for him. Maybe his records are among those that were destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 16 September , 2013 Share Posted 16 September , 2013 Part of the 14th Divisions report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old sparky Posted 17 September , 2013 Share Posted 17 September , 2013 (edited) Dominy, I have the war diaries for 9 KRRC and could PM the relevant pages if you are interested. Peter B Edited: Perhaps you have to PM me with your email address and I send you the docs. (I'm still a learner) Edited 17 September , 2013 by old sparky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 17 September , 2013 Share Posted 17 September , 2013 Are we allowed to post images of MICs that may be under copyright? The GWF and Copyright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gem Posted 18 September , 2013 Share Posted 18 September , 2013 Oops looks like you are correct MBrockway therefore i have deleted the post and i shall try not to infringe this rule again thanks for pointing it out Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 18 September , 2013 Share Posted 18 September , 2013 Andy, our Dominys' are from Weymouth, possibly a distant relative. Percival was taken prisoner on 23rd March, his PoW card from Limberg dated 26th June 1918 notes him as being fit and well, yet less than a month later his was dead, SDGW noting this as 'Died', according to family lore he was never at Limberg and his death was more sinister than illness, a document that I recieved from the International Commitee of the Red Cross supports the family lore - I wont go into detail here but it may also be worth contacting the ICRC regarding their PoW records as it may be possible that your great uncle was taken prisoner also, Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 18 September , 2013 Share Posted 18 September , 2013 Oops looks like you are correct MBrockway therefore i have deleted the post and i shall try not to infringe this rule again thanks for pointing it out Graham I usually transcribe the key info into a GWF post for general consumption and mail the image to the relative. Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominy Posted 19 September , 2013 Author Share Posted 19 September , 2013 Andy, our Dominys' are from Weymouth, possibly a distant relative. Percival was taken prisoner on 23rd March, his PoW card from Limberg dated 26th June 1918 notes him as being fit and well, yet less than a month later his was dead, SDGW noting this as 'Died', according to family lore he was never at Limberg and his death was more sinister than illness, a document that I recieved from the International Commitee of the Red Cross supports the family lore - I wont go into detail here but it may also be worth contacting the ICRC regarding their PoW records as it may be possible that your great uncle was taken prisoner also, Jon Thanks, Jon. I'm pretty sure the family may well have Dorset connections - I'll ask around and let you know! a The info I've received has been terrific. The family are all intrigued - so many thanks. How would i find out when Alfred enlisted? Then I could trace his movements throughout his time serving thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominy Posted 19 September , 2013 Author Share Posted 19 September , 2013 Oops looks like you are correct MBrockway therefore i have deleted the post and i shall try not to infringe this rule again thanks for pointing it out Graham Hi Graham, I found this link to Alfred's Medal Card http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/image/Index/D2653585?index=1&page=0 And it appears that there is another page of info which I didn't see from your link? Although it is distorted there does seem to be more info...... Could you shed light or would it be simpler for me to order the PDF as shown? Thanks in advance a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 19 September , 2013 Share Posted 19 September , 2013 Hi Graham, I found this link to Alfred's Medal Card http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/image/Index/D2653585?index=1&page=0 And it appears that there is another page of info which I didn't see from your link? Although it is distorted there does seem to be more info...... Could you shed light or would it be simpler for me to order the PDF as shown? Thanks in advance a The National Archive downloads are in blocks of six MICs (obverses only). The MICs on Ancestry are the obverse and reverse of a single MIC. You in fact get more info via Ancestry than TNA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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