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HX2 0ET Pellon Works

Resevoir road, Halifax, was flanked by wellesley barracks, and a tank factory.

The perfect location to be involved in the war effort.

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Maybe his involvement was more the process and tooling? The shape as has been, previously mentioned. Kettle helmet already existed. So maybe he just gave the sample to the war office, they went with it and nothing more was said. Then brodie comes along and improves the cushioning.

Mr.Bates was just doing his bit for the war. Mr.Brodie was a foreign entrepreneur looking to make a living. Mr.Bates already had a life. He did get his mention during the war and also, when he drowned bathing.? Curious?

Maybe the Conservative party knows more? He was a Conservative councillor after all, and after the war. Was he voted in because of his war effort? So many questions.?!

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Looking through graces guide, again no mention of John leopold brodie. So he was no engineer , not a registered one anyway.

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Supposedly from 1915?

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A mention of what wallis&bates did during the war again no mention of helmets, but does mention repetition work.?

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Just found this for £50 on ebay. Not the best pics , bought on a wim. But look at the bales, in hand will tell. Also no hole for the liner. Looks definitely like a brodie.

Just hoping there is a stamp a fleck of paint, a shadow of something. That could shed some light.

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20210526_175211.jpg.9b56fe327b89382347ef5e920703f65e.jpgAlso his death was reported in Australia. By an ex-serving soldier? No name of the soldier.

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On 18/12/2018 at 13:08, Lammy said:

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seems as though more supplies from home towns, rather than the war office.! Every issue throughout the war has an article like this.!

Isn't it more likely that the helmets listed here were knitted, woolen Balaclava helmets churned out in their hundreds by the ladies of 'The Mayoress's Fund' to provide warmth in the trenches, rather than 'Helmets, Steel, Mk I'?

 

Just realised someone beat me to this conclusion several years ago. Doh!

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Yes. More than likely. But we will never know. Why such low numbers? Compared to shirts and sock.

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So here it is. It is not a brodie. But could it be a prototype. I have seen German, French and US WW1 prototypes. But I never seen an English/British one. Why? Because they were made and lost on the front.?

This came from the Argonne region of france. Only paint left is very faint and looks horizon blue.?

It is completely round, no head shape.

But with a chin strap and wearing a soft trench cap, would fit fine. The bails look like adrian bales. Also it is magnetic, so cheap rubbish steel.

All ideas welcome.

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Also struggling to figure out if it did have a liner hole , that had been welded shut? Hard to tell if corrosion or weld marks?

 

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Also slightly smaller , but slightly deeper.

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Fascinating stuff. For my money that helmet could well be a very early, possibly experimental pressing - maybe even pressed using an existing tureen press, hence its perfectly circular shape. I would think it has no hole in the top (for the liner fixing), because the design of the liner and how to fit it into the shell had presumably not yet been worked out, and quite possibly in the first instance they may well have considered a simply pad sufficient to make it comfortable,

 

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