simoneyre Posted 30 August , 2013 Share Posted 30 August , 2013 There seem to be a small number of Skippers RNR Fishery Reserve in one of the late 1917 Navy Lists who are listed as having a number starting WSX The highest number listed is 10 Has anyone any idea what the prefix stood for and any idea how many there were any thanks Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 31 August , 2013 Share Posted 31 August , 2013 There are only four with WSX skipper numbers - 7.WSX to 10.WSX. It is strange to find them in a 1917 Navy List because the additional 'X' suffix was usually applied only post-1925 enrolments. More research needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simoneyre Posted 31 August , 2013 Author Share Posted 31 August , 2013 Hi many thanks for getting in touch The numbers WSX 8,9 and 10 appear in the November 1917 Navy List Out of interest who is WSX 7? Ive a little project Im doing on RNR skippers at present and stumbled on the WSX prefix while looking at the Naval Lists Many thanks Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 1 September , 2013 Share Posted 1 September , 2013 Skipper Charles Herbert WINN RNR, 7.WSX. It is interesting that this man also served as 81.WSE (Skipper in the Trawler Reserve Emergency Section - Fishery Reserve). Many of the 'fishery' skippers with WSE numbers appear in the Navy Lists with alternative WFS numbers, as did Skipper WINN (227.WFS). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simoneyre Posted 2 September , 2013 Author Share Posted 2 September , 2013 Hi very many thanks once again Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 10 September , 2013 Share Posted 10 September , 2013 To complete the research, I can now confirm that the four men listed with RNR 'WSX' official numbers, who were all enrolled in late March and early April 1917, never served as such (notwithstanding their entries in the Navy List). Their records are annotated "RNR Training Certificate cancelled. Never borne on RNR strength." One of them later served as a Skipper (WFS) and (WSE), one was re-enrolled as a deckhand (DA), and the other two served as Skippers (WFS). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simoneyre Posted 12 September , 2013 Author Share Posted 12 September , 2013 Many thanks Thats extremely helpful Presumably you checked the RNR records at Kew to confirm this One other conundrum Im struggling with is that the WFS skippers when moved to the emergency reserve and given WSE numbers are in the Navy Lists as Temp Skippers but not annotated fishery reserve So was the Emergency Reserve section part of the RNR trawler section proper or was it still considered part of the fishery reserve? From the medal rolls many of these men seemed to have only a BWM or no apparent entitlement so wonder if they actually saw any meaningful service with the Auxiliary Patrol in the short time the Emergency Section seems to have existed thanks again for all your help Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 12 September , 2013 Share Posted 12 September , 2013 From studying numerous RNR Skippers' records I believe that the way it happened was that the Fishery Reserve (whose skippers were allocated 'WFS' official numbers) was in being from about May 1917 (although the earliest Fishery Reserve skipper has a seniority 12/1/1917). The role of the Fishery Reserve was fishing. From June 1918 a number of Fishery Reserve crews were brought into the RNR Trawler Section "for Emergency Service". The skippers concerned were given new 'WSE' official numbers and a new date of seniority for their new 'WSE' warrant. In late 1918 Navy Lists they frequently appear with both 'WFS' and 'WSE' numbers and seniorities. The Emergency Section was disbanded on 31 /12/1918. The reason for the different warrants is, I believe, to do with pay and gratuities. WFS skippers were "never on naval rates of pay" and thus did not qualify for gratuities. WSE skippers were on naval pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simoneyre Posted 13 September , 2013 Author Share Posted 13 September , 2013 Once again many thanks I think Id come to similar conclusions as yourself I am very grateful for you sharing your understanding on these issues Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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