R.O.H. Northumberland Estates

[Silvie Fisch]

Dear Forum members,

(I hope it's o.k. to post this more than once)

I am involved in research for a WWI exhibition at Alnwick Castle, 2014 - 2016. We are trying to trace the personal stories of Estate employees and their families during the war. All we have is the Roll of Honour - there is a transcript here <http://www.newmp.org...6210#listlink>.

I would be most grateful for any information regarding these men and their biographies.

Hopefully we will be able to amplify the service of some of them through photographs, letters, diaries etc.

Thanks and best wishes

Silvie Fisch

[sotonmate]

Further to your PM concerning Thomas BROWN who served with the AVC. Needing to whittle down the numbers with this name and unit in the Medal Index Cards,I am getting down to suggesting a target. You mention enlisting Nov 1915. Could it have been that he attested in Nov 1915 and then joined up at his reporting station in Dec ? If so I have a man who may well fit,but,as you say,and I agree,there seems to be no service record for this phalanx of TBs, apart from two who are excluded by dint of landing in France earlier in 1915 and one who landed in 1914.

Are you aware that there were two who began service with the AVC and moved on,one to the Artillery and one to the Yorks and Lancs ? I guess these are to be excluded from your considerations.

Also, are you totally discounting Thomases with a second Christian name,of which there are four who served with AVC overseas.These too can be whittled down ,to one !

So,SE24848 Thomas BROWN is deduced to be enlisted in Dec 1915 on the strength that other close by numbers also did that. He has no service or pension record available. As I mentioned,you may be able to see what an Absent Voters List 1918 may have to say,if indeed one exists for his home area.

The other soldier is SE12815 Thomas D BROWN,also enlisted late 1915 (a flaw possibly in the numbering sequence ?,as there are others here and there,but an encouraging rate of good sequencing of number to date enlisted otherwise).

In terms of where in Egypt he might have served we can only pin hopes on an entry in AVL1918. There will be trooping manifests for the soldiers posted to Egypt in the series WO25 at the National Archives,but these will only show the number of Other Ranks who were carried on board,though it will faithfully list the Officers.

[Silvie Fisch]

Hello again,

You could easily be right re the date, I have found other mistakes on the ROH. As mentioned earlier, the Absent Voters List shows the other two men of the same man, but not ours. Could the war diary be of use (WO 95/4754)?

It's not a problem if I can't find him, as I've said, there are many others on the list whose lives are waiting to be discovered (I couldn't tempt you to have a look at the ROH??), but I'm hoping to be able to include the histories of Privates as well, not just the higher ranks.

Many thanks!

Silvie

[Peterhastie]

Have you seen these

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7003378

Father, Robert, Estate Forester

1911, Age 11 Beanley Cottage Eglingham

died 1979

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D6626956

This chap appears to be in his mid to late fifties when he served

d 1957, Alnwick

Ancestry tree

[Silvie Fisch]

Thanks for this, and yes I've seen these. Silk is fascinating! I'm in contact with the relative who's also a Forum member. Unfortunately he didn't inherit anything personal, and doesn't know who (if anybody) did either.

Kind regards!

Silvie

[Kentishwolf]

William George Houston was my great grandmothers brother, he joined the Royal Navy 3 days after his 18th birthday, I purchased his RN record sheet from NA. He was in training and shore bases until he joined HMS Yarmouth on 1st July 1918. He married in 1926. He was born on October 24th 1899 at Eglingham. I know he followed his father (my 2x great grandfather), Robert Houston, of Beanley Cottage, in his trade as Estate Woodman. Sorry I don't have anything else at present.

Andy

Edited 4 October , 2013 by Kentishwolf

[Silvie Fisch]

Hello Andy,

Thanks for getting in touch, and of course every little helps! I believe the HMS Yarmouth log books 1917 - 19 are missing (?) which is a shame.

I'll let you know if I find any more info about Robert and William George!

Kind regards

Silvie

[Peterhastie]

From the renumbering Pvt Sydney Turnbull 24219 - 242245 , later Lt Sydney Turnbull of the Estate Office, appears to have served in the 5th Bn NF

http://www.1914-1918.net/TF_renumbering_infantry.htm

240001 - 265000 5 Northumberland Fusiliers.

His mic, on the back, has his medal roll entry as 0/1/105 B32 page 7218 followed by 5 8/20. Does the 5 refer to the 5th Bn?

I can find no ref in the LG to his commision, only this

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/32484/supplements/8046

which suggests he went into the T.A. Reserve 1921.

The 1919 AVR shows a Sydney Turnbull at 107 Wingrove rd, 2nd Lieut, 2nd NF. There is no family at 159 Wingrove rd, as per the mic, with any absent voters.

[finelines]

Hi Peter

Im looking for info on my grand uncle Cpl William H Wilkinson 367306

medal roll number 0/1/105 B33 page 7425

this isnt far from the numbers you quote for Pvt Sydney Turnbull. I wonder if they were in the same Bn?

William's mic also appears to state in the remarks section 'Dism' , dont suppose you have any thoughts?

cheers

Keith

[Peterhastie]

It looks like g.uncle could have been Northern Cyclist Battalion

http://www.1914-1918.net/TF_renumbering_infantry.htm

Dism means Disembodied. It normaly refers to a Territorial Soldier returned to his Territorial Unit.

Someone far wiser on Northumberland Fusiliers should hopefully be along to help.

[finelines]

thanks Peter, great help