Terry_Reeves Posted 30 April , 2015 Share Posted 30 April , 2015 The original naturalisation certificates are at TNA. Sometimes they are accompanied by police reports which can provide additional information. http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=Hans+Pernul+AND+HO TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 30 April , 2015 Share Posted 30 April , 2015 Need help with the german and Austria side on his marriage certificate said his father was a major general franz josef ferdinard von pernull , I can not research him any futher because will dont know who his father and mother are !! The list of Austro-Hungarian generals 1816-1918 : http://www.oesta.gv.at/Docs/2007/6/5/K_k_ bzw_ k_u_k_ Generale 1816-1918.pdf No sign of a "von Pernull" or "Pernull" there I'm afraid. Also no "Franz Josef Ferdinand" amongst the generals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliceF Posted 30 April , 2015 Share Posted 30 April , 2015 Thrilling story. Have you come any further in your search after the parents of Hans von Pernull since 2013? Would be interesting to hear. Just looked if the church records for Austria were online, but there are only partly (and not for Kärnten). Christine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pernull Posted 7 May , 2015 Author Share Posted 7 May , 2015 Yes he was on the board of gardians for the jewish poor relief, and also in the League of Nations , so how do I find out his jewish name , he was a spy for the Egyptions , Italians , and this country , in MI5 file but no countries talking . He lost his buisness in Tunis as French thought he was German so they kicked him out , we have a lot of pictures of him with royal family . But all quite , it is very frustrating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pernull Posted 7 May , 2015 Author Share Posted 7 May , 2015 Yes he was on the board of gardians for the jewish poor relief, and also in the League of Nations , so how do I find out his jewish name , he was a spy for the Egyptions , Italians , and this country , in MI5 file but no countries talking . He lost his buisness in Tunis as French thought he was German so they kicked him out , we have a lot of pictures of him with royal family . But all quite , it is very frustrating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Tomaselli Posted 1 January , 2017 Share Posted 1 January , 2017 What MI5 file are we talking about here? Nothing has been released and MI5 are not bound by the 100 year rule or, indeed any of the Freedom of Information legislation. Have you tried the Foreign Office files at Kew which are NOT indexed on line? Much MI5 information on individuals is tucked away here if you knpw where to look. Phil Tomaselli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pernull Posted 23 February , 2018 Author Share Posted 23 February , 2018 There was a mi5 file which it took a number of years to get released him mi5 files are 151786/M.I.5 F2 63/5034/M.I.5/E , Some of these files have now disappeared from Kew gardens , we know he was a spy for a number of countries , I do have some proof of this , he also worked along side our British Goverment and royal family which I have proof of as well , he was kicked out of Tunis for selling arms to the Germans ,before world war one , also believe he was part of the blackhand gang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 23 February , 2018 Share Posted 23 February , 2018 4 hours ago, pernull said: Some of these files have now disappeared from Kew gardens The work of a mole ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 23 February , 2018 Share Posted 23 February , 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, charlie962 said: 8 hours ago, charlie962 said: The work of a mole ? Very good charlie962 Keep digging pernull Mike Edited 23 February , 2018 by Skipman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 5 June , 2018 Share Posted 5 June , 2018 Look who I found in the Austrian State archives : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pernull Posted 8 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 8 May , 2019 thanks JWK also found that , not sure if it is the same person , also after doing more research not sure that is even his name ,because on ship records he stated he was born in yugoslavia , in a place called pustura , which is a island in croatia and no one with that name has ever been born there , when he died he lived in a place called Balcombe and the family said the entertained the royal family , after some research this is where the royal family lived and even got married there . i could get more imformation from the french but would have to pay for this , but can not afford to do so , the british Government said his name is Possibly zurshemberger . kind regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto mann Posted 17 March Share Posted 17 March On 24/05/2013 at 01:55, pernull said: Can any one help me with my greatgrandad hans von pernull , there are two MI5 files on him held for over 100 year rule , I have pics of him with sir earsnt cassels and royal family , while working for the Italians he sold arms to the turks , he was kicked out of tunis because the french thought he was german , and I believe he was part of the black hand gang , he was also the first white man to cross the sarah desert Hello, mr Henry Pernull lived in Palermo in Italia nel 1905/1910. Grazie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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