The Greens Posted 19 May , 2013 Share Posted 19 May , 2013 Hi all, I am helping a family with their genealogy research. I have just discovered their great uncle Charles Percy Fox served in WW1. I have downloaded his military records from Ancestry. Unfortunately they are very hard to read and the first page that listed the unit he was in the top right corner is missing. His medal cards has R.a.R.F.A. On one page of his military record had Expeditionary Force. Charles went to France, survived and went back to Doncaster. What I am also interested in he is mentioned in the London Gazette and has the following. 16 Jun 1918 page 8316 M2/119422 Sjt. C.P.Fox A.S.C. (Doncaster). According to a web site about the family Charles received the military medal for bravery in the field by his Majesty King George 5th in Jul. 1918. My three questions are: What else can I look at that would tell me the name of the regiment he was in? His military records don't seem to mention anything else and are very hard to read. Damaged pages or very faint ink. What does the A.S.C. stand for? I had a look through the list of medals, nothing matched those letters? And last how can I get hold of any information as to what he did to receive the medal? I assume it would be the regiments war diary but not sure what regiment he was in. I have the copies of his medal card and service record and can up load them if that is of any help. Appreciate any help. Sue Greene New Zealand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony osborne Posted 19 May , 2013 Share Posted 19 May , 2013 Sue, ASC stands for Army Service Corps - check out the Long Long Trail (top left hand corner of the home screen). It could be your man started his military career with ASC but was then compulsorarily drafted into a front line unit following heavy casualties, for example my G. Grandfather was posted to the 8 th Royal Berks on 31st March 1918 after the casualties they received during the German Spring Offensive. The R.a. R.F.A. you mention could mean Royal Field Artillery? Post as much information as you can - copies of his service records etc. This greatly helps the knowledgable so and sos on this forum piece together military service. I'll do some digging myself to what I can find. All the best, Ant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBrook Posted 19 May , 2013 Share Posted 19 May , 2013 Just to clarify a point - "mentioned in the London Gazette" is actually the notification of the award of his Military Medal. http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/30797/supplements/8316 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Greens Posted 19 May , 2013 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2013 Sue, ASC stands for Army Service Corps - check out the Long Long Trail (top left hand corner of the home screen). It could be your man started his military career with ASC but was then compulsorarily drafted into a front line unit following heavy casualties, for example my G. Grandfather was posted to the 8 th Royal Berks on 31st March 1918 after the casualties they received during the German Spring Offensive. The R.a. R.F.A. you mention could mean Royal Field Artillery? Post as much information as you can - copies of his service records etc. This greatly helps the knowledgable so and sos on this forum piece together military service. I'll do some digging myself to what I can find. All the best, Ant Many thanks for your help. I will upload the records. Cheers Just to clarify a point - "mentioned in the London Gazette" is actually the notification of the award of his Military Medal. http://www.london-ga...upplements/8316 Many thanks for your help and clearing that up for me. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Greens Posted 19 May , 2013 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2013 (edited) Have attached Charles' medal card and some of his military record pages. The page called ser r 3 does have 12th Corps troup supply column. Can anyone tell me what this would have been. Regards Sue PS. Was just having a look at the medal card I have posted and another medal card I downloaded from Ancestry. It has at the top of the not not identical with C. Fox so I assume the card I uploaded with the papers is in fact C. Foc and not my chap C.P.Fox so have attahced my chaps medal card. Gee this becomes confusing. Edited 19 May , 2013 by The Greens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 19 May , 2013 Share Posted 19 May , 2013 Sgt Charles Percy Fox MM is mentioned on page 125 of Col. Michael Young's history the 'Army Service Corps 1902-1918' published by Leo Cooper, 2000, ISBN 085052 730 9 Sgt Fox was with the 16th Auxiliary Bus Company and took part in the transporting of 211,213 men during the German Spring Offensive. 21 Military Medals were awarded to the Auxiliary Omnibus Park for this achievement Young quotes FM Haig as writing “The details of the work they have accomplished, in circumstances of peculiar hardship and difficulty, have been brought to my notice and constitute a record of which every officer and man may well be proud. They must rest assured that in meeting the heavy demands recently made upon them, through long hours of continual duty both on the road and in the workshops, they have contributed in no small degree to the frustration of the enemy's plans. I thank them for the work they have done...” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Greens Posted 19 May , 2013 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2013 Sgt Charles Percy Fox MM is mentioned on page 125 of Col. Michael Young's history the 'Army Service Corps 1902-1918' published by Leo Cooper, 2000, ISBN 085052 730 9 Sgt Fox was with the 16th Auxiliary Bus Company and took part in the transporting of 211,213 men during the German Spring Offensive. 21 Military Medals were awarded to the Auxiliary Omnibus Park for this achievement Young quotes FM Haig as writing “The details of the work they have accomplished, in circumstances of peculiar hardship and difficulty, have been brought to my notice and constitute a record of which every officer and man may well be proud. They must rest assured that in meeting the heavy demands recently made upon them, through long hours of continual duty both on the road and in the workshops, they have contributed in no small degree to the frustration of the enemy's plans. I thank them for the work they have done...” Dear Michael, Thank you so much for finding the information about Charles. This helps so much with filling in some gaps and making him a person on the tree rather than just a name. Regards Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 19 May , 2013 Share Posted 19 May , 2013 Sue I think that you may have the wrong MIC , try searching for Charles Fox 119422 Army Service Corps. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david todd Posted 19 May , 2013 Share Posted 19 May , 2013 hi sue,his wedding cert would perhaps give you some info on his unit,regards david Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 19 May , 2013 Share Posted 19 May , 2013 The units he served overseas with, all within the Army Service Corps were: 12 Sep 1915 to 11 Oct 1915 - 12 Corps Troops Supply Column. He was appointed as an acting Corporal during this time and reverted to Private upon his transfer. He was hospitalised with dental caries (tooth decay) on the 7 and 8 Oct 1915, and probably lost some teeth to the dentist. 12 Oct 1915 - Base Horse Transport Dept 13 Oct 1915 to 25 Oct 1915 - posted to 366 Motor Transport Company (previously known as 8th Steam Company. These companies operated steam traction engines and the like) 26 Oct 1915 - Posted to Base Motor Transport Depot at Rouen 2 Nov 1915 to 1 May 1919 - Posted to 16 Auxiliary Bus Company (also known as 563 Motor Transport Company) 1 May 1919 - Posted to GHQ (General Headquarters) Tm Motor Transport Company (The Tm is possibly trams, but I am not sure) The War Diary for 16 Auxiliary Bus Company (a.k.a. 563 Motor Transport Company) is held at the National Archives under reference WO95/149: http://discovery.nat...ls?uri=C7349194 It is not currently online but it is free to visit the National Archives and photograph the pages (you will need to take ID with you for a Readers Card) Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony osborne Posted 19 May , 2013 Share Posted 19 May , 2013 Sue, told you someone would be along! No link to the RFA then. He could have help transport my G.Grandpa to the front instead! All the best, Ant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Greens Posted 20 May , 2013 Author Share Posted 20 May , 2013 Hello everyone, Thank you all so much for your help and such quick replies. It never ceases to amaze me the wealth of information and help that is offered on this Forum. Keep up the wonderful work. Regards Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Greens Posted 22 May , 2013 Author Share Posted 22 May , 2013 One more question. I have attached a photo of three medals. Am I correct that the medal in the middle of this pic. is the medal that Charles Fox received for bravery? Appreciate your help once more. Regards Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eairicbloodaxe Posted 22 May , 2013 Share Posted 22 May , 2013 Hi Sue Soryy, No. The one in the middle is the British War Medal, issued to all who served. The MM also has the kings head on it but a different portrait, ribbon and obverse. If posting this link from my phone works, here's a pic with MM on left, BWM in centre. http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=military+medal&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=m1-cUfOFO8XgOujxgIAM&ved=0CD4QsAQ&biw=360&bih=567&sei=3V-cUe7IMoesO5yfgUA#biv=i%7C2%3Bd%7CLs3ar8KtVYZiSM%3A Regards Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Mitchell Posted 6 June , 2013 Share Posted 6 June , 2013 Hi Sue I have attached a photograph of Sgt Charles Percy Fox MM "albeit a bad one"from the Doncaster Gazette of the 10th May 1918 page 7. I will try and take a better one plus any write up from the archive at doncaster if it would help. I have over 11,000 photo`s to date from the archive of WW1 and WW2 service men and women from Doncaster. I use them in my research for my medal collection of local soldiers. mitchellj@blueyonder.co.uk Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Greens Posted 6 June , 2013 Author Share Posted 6 June , 2013 Hi Ian, The link you gave me went to images of all medals Cheers Sue Hi Sue Soryy, No. The one in the middle is the British War Medal, issued to all who served. The MM also has the kings head on it but a different portrait, ribbon and obverse. If posting this link from my phone works, here's a pic with MM on left, BWM in centre. http://www.google.co...Ls3ar8KtVYZiSM: Regards Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Greens Posted 6 June , 2013 Author Share Posted 6 June , 2013 Hi Sue I have attached a photograph of Sgt Charles Percy Fox MM "albeit a bad one"from the Doncaster Gazette of the 10th May 1918 page 7. I will try and take a better one plus any write up from the archive at doncaster if it would help. I have over 11,000 photo`s to date from the archive of WW1 and WW2 service men and women from Doncaster. I use them in my research for my medal collection of local soldiers. mitchellj@blueyonder.co.uk Regards. HI Jim, Thank you for your help and the photo. It is wonderful that these photos have survived and someone is keen to look after them. I would be grateful for any little bits you may have on Charles Percy Fox. I did find that his father John Fox started the Fox and Sons undertakers in Doncaster there is a lovely photo of Charles walking in front of one of the hearse. Many thanks Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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