arboskittler Posted 20 April , 2013 Share Posted 20 April , 2013 One more, please chaps. Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 20 April , 2013 Share Posted 20 April , 2013 Andy, Aircraft D4386, is listed as a Sopwith Camel flown by Capt. Leonard H. ' Titch ' Rochford, D.S.C and Bar, D.F.C. who had 29 victories and survived the War. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 20 April , 2013 Share Posted 20 April , 2013 Looks like another Avro 504 but I thought D4386 was a Camel (flown by Leonard Henry "Titch" Rochford) and that's definitely no Camel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 20 April , 2013 Share Posted 20 April , 2013 Looks like another Avro 504 but I thought D4386 was a Camel (flown by Leonard Henry "Titch" Rochford) and that's no Camel centurion, I hoped you would clarify this, that is why I said ' listed as ', my question to you is, were aircraft identification numbers ever moved from aircraft to aircraft, or once allocated to a particular aircraft did that I/D No. remain with that aircraft for all time, or could it be re-allocated if the aircraft was destroyed. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 20 April , 2013 Share Posted 20 April , 2013 centurion, I hoped you would clarify this, that is why I said ' listed as ', my question to you is, were aircraft identification numbers ever moved from aircraft to aircraft, or once allocated to a particular aircraft did that I/D No. remain with that aircraft for all time, or could it be re-allocated if the aircraft was destroyed. Regards, LF AFAIK an number usually stayed with an aircraft unless that aircraft was extensively re built (possibly with major parts from another aircraft of the same type) when I think a new number might be allocated but it would be a new number from a block allocated to that type. D4386 was the Camel Rochford was flying when he shot down a Rumpler two seater. Unless there is some significance in that he was RNAS and that aircraft could be an RFC one - is there an numbers guru around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fetubi Posted 20 April , 2013 Share Posted 20 April , 2013 Evening all. Rochford was in Camel E4386 when he made those claims in October 1918. Namely, the serial on The Aerodrome isn't quite correct. And the best proof of this is the photo supplied by Andy above! Bruce Robertson's Military Aircraft Serials lists Avro 504 J/Ks in the range from D4361 to D4360, but then notes only 118 of these two hundred were filled. And I've only managed to track down about thirty of them! Avro 504J/K D4386 was with 8 Trg Sqn AFC and I suspect the crash we see here is when it suffered engine problems and then as it came down, in order to miss a wall, it stalled and crashed. This was on 1 July 1918. All this comes from a RAF Museum Casualty Card - but once more, as there are only injured involved, I can't provide a definite surname - the closest I get is that it started with "Bl.." like Black or Blake. Note that both occupants were injured. As to putting up photos for identification, Andy... Keep them coming!! It is great to see these new images. Hope this helps, Best Regards, Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkTurner Posted 20 April , 2013 Share Posted 20 April , 2013 E4386 was Rochfords camel. D4386 is an Avro 504 J or K. Edit - Trevor beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 20 April , 2013 Share Posted 20 April , 2013 Looks like another Avro 504 but I thought D4386 was a Camel (flown by Leonard Henry "Titch" Rochford) and that's definitely no Camel You were correct, as all agree with you that it is an Avro 504. It seems that some listings, including the one I referred to, have a typo error being that Rochford's Camel was E4386 and not D4386, which is Andy's Avro. Hopefully, we may still hear back on the Aircraft I/D Nos. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arboskittler Posted 20 April , 2013 Author Share Posted 20 April , 2013 Super info once again. Many thanks, Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nieuport11 Posted 22 April , 2013 Share Posted 22 April , 2013 The pilot was Lt GH Blaxland who was seriously injured and admitted to 2SGH Bristol The crash was at Leighterton on 1st July 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc2 Posted 22 April , 2013 Share Posted 22 April , 2013 Evening all. Rochford was in Camel E4386 when he made those claims in October 1918. Namely, the serial on The Aerodrome isn't quite correct. And the best proof of this is the photo supplied by Andy above! Bruce Robertson's Military Aircraft Serials lists Avro 504 J/Ks in the range from D4361 to D4360, but then notes only 118 of these two hundred were filled. And I've only managed to track down about thirty of them! Trevor Trevor, have you made a typo as well? I thought the serial number range for the Avro 504J/K produced by Sunbeam Motors was D4361 through 4560. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nieuport11 Posted 22 April , 2013 Share Posted 22 April , 2013 That is correct Contrary to BR, all 200 were built Weekly production commencing w/e 16.2.18 and ending w/e 24.8.18 was: 1 1 2 7 6 5 7 3 8 6 4 0 2 4 2 10 11 8 11 13 12 9 9 8 13 9 14 15 = 200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arboskittler Posted 22 April , 2013 Author Share Posted 22 April , 2013 The pilot was Lt GH Blaxland who was seriously injured and admitted to 2SGH Bristol The crash was at Leighterton on 1st July 1918 Thanks for this addition, nieuport11 Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fetubi Posted 22 April , 2013 Share Posted 22 April , 2013 Trevor, have you made a typo as well? I thought the serial number range for the Avro 504J/K produced by Sunbeam Motors was D4361 through 4560. Doc Spot on, mon brave! Thanks for spotting it, Doc. Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickdavis Posted 24 April , 2013 Share Posted 24 April , 2013 It would appear that the majority of the batch was issued, the latest I have is D4558 Delivered as 504K, 130hp Clerget. 13 TS Ternhill and wrecked in forced landing after engine failure 2.10.1919 (PO H.N. Morris OK/LAC E.G. Way slightly injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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