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Pierce09

13 Sqn war diaries

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mullet

Sorry to leap in to this thread.

13 Sqn. I am looking for information on Lt George Wadden, Royal Irish Fusiliers, who I believe flew with 13 Sqn and was posted missing on 10/10/1916, about 3 months after he joined the sqn, later to be confirmed as a PoW & survived the war.

Any info from the Sqn Records that anyone might have access to would be very much appreciated

Best regards

Andy

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airman585

I am researching Lieut Ronald William Redding who according to his service record was posted to 13 sqn on the 17/11/1917 until 19/8/1918.am

if you can see any mention of this officer I would be very interested.

Also I am working on an ongoing museum project researching the RFC and have a constant flow of requests from visitors regarding their ancestors activities in the RFC so I am very interested in the results of your work on 13 sqn .

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Pierce09

Sorry its taken so long to reply, i've been posted and so quite busy! i shall look at what i have and see if there are any mentions of either man.

Rhys

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Pierce09

Mullet;

found a very interesting section on LT G Wadden. i shall get a pic of the relevant page and post it on here for you. standby!

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Pierce09

FAO Mullet;

19octinNV029.jpg

it seems he would have been flying a BE2, either a C,D or E variant according to the Sqn inventory for that week.

Hope this is helpful.

Rhys

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Pierce09

Faggy;

having searched through the diaries, there is no mention of Lt R Redding specifically. it's usual that unless he was killed, captured, injured or some other mishap that resulted in the aircraft he ws in being damaged or destroyed, it may not have made the diaries. it seems in July 1917, the officer designated to update the diaries changed as well and they became more like lists of activity than a diary.

Sorry i couldn't help further

Rhys

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topgun1918

Lt George Wadden received his "ticket", number 2980, on 16 March 1916 and was seconded from the Royal Irish Fusiliers to the RFC as a Flying Officer on 26 June 1916. He was shot down while flying BE2c 2513.

Lt Ronald William Redding received RAeC certificate number 4185 on 2 February 1917 having been appointed a Temporary Second Lieutenant for duty with the RFC on 5 September 1916.

Graeme

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Pierce09

Thanks TopGun, Hope Mullet sees this!

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markland

Any losses October 23, 1915? Particularly a BE2 flown by C.H. Mark and 2nd Lt. Will Lawrence as observer?

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topgun1918

markland

Capt Cecil Hoffming Marks and 2nd Lt William George Lawrence were both killed in BE2c 2017 when shot down in a combat south of St Quentin while on reconnaissance escort duty. They were shot down by Ltn Hans-Joachim Buddecke of FA23 for his 2nd victory.

Graeme

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Pierce09

i can check later if there is any mention.

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Guest

Great to see the photo of the prop blade of 13 Squadron, and see my Gt Uncle's name on it (Herbert Howell Evans)!

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mickdavis

2513 Presentation a/c Presented by the Maharajah of Rewa and Indian Nobles 'Bandhava' wef 1.8.1916. Birmingham 26.6.1916 allotted to EF France. 2 AD Candas tested 23.7.1916. 13 Sqn Savy dd ex 2 AD 25.7.1916 and LIA 11.10.1916 on special mission to Douai aerodrome (Lt G Wadden POW).


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mickdavis

Sorry to leap in to this thread.

13 Sqn. I am looking for information on Lt George Wadden, Royal Irish Fusiliers, who I believe flew with 13 Sqn and was posted missing on 10/10/1916, about 3 months after he joined the sqn, later to be confirmed as a PoW & survived the war.

Any info from the Sqn Records that anyone might have access to would be very much appreciated

Best regards

Andy

I don't know why font size jumps when I paste here, but my RE8 file has:

C2313 1 ASD Reception Park dd ex England 25.4.1918. 13 Sqn dd ex 1 ASD 3.5.1918 (2Lt R.W. Redding), used in unsuccessful test of 20” camera 14.8.1918 (Lt R.E. Britton/Lt J.W.G. Clark) and damaged on 12.25 Contact Patrol, XVII Corps Front, 27.8.1918 (Lt J.J. Elder/Lt M.J. Sheehan both OK – the machine was hit by machine gun fire from the ground but returned to the aerodrome at 15.25). 2 ASD and deleted 27.11.1918 (not worth reconstruction).

C4556 At Napiers, Acton, 2.1.1918 allotted to BEF, VTBF and to be delivered in packing case to 1 ASD or 2 ASD via Southampton. 2 ASD Repair Park dd ex England in packing case 15.1.1918. 13 Sqn dd ex 2 ASD 21.2.1918 (2Lt R.W. Redding). 2 ASD and deleted 9.7.1918 (not worth reconstruction).

C5033 At COW 3.10.1917, allotted to BEF, VTBF and to be placed in packing case by contractors and delivered via Newhaven. 8 AAP Lympne 24.10.1917 allotted to BEF, originally to be delivered in packing case to Newhaven. 2 ASD Repair Park dd ex 1 ASD 31.10.1917. 59 Sqn. 2 ASD for overhaul 1.2.1918. 13 Sqn dd ex 2 ASD 5.3.1918, tested 2.5.1918 (2Lt R.W. Redding/2Lt W. Parkinson – 7000ft in 35min) and reported 6.5.1918 as slow to climb and respond to the controls with longerons needing replacing but considered fit for Instructional Purposes and fit to fly the Channel. 1 ASD ex 13 Sqn 8.5.1918 (2Lt C.V. Frith/2Lt G.S. Bourner) and flown to England 9.5.1918.

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shellman

Hi Rhys, I am researching a group of Australians who trained in Brisbane Queensland Australia in 1915. they were called the Queensland Volunteer Flying Civilians..In late 1915 they sailed to England and enlisted in the RFC, all eventually flying. Their leader was Major Thomas McLeod whose first posting was to 13 Squadron where he was for nine and a half months from early 1916. At one time he was OC until he collapsed from physical exhaustion and sent to England were he spent around 8 months in hospital and recouperation.

I have the squadron's daily flight records from 6th July 1916 to 18th October 1916. McLeod was Lieutenant at the time and saw service almost every day for that period.

Any further info you can supply would be appreciated.

Allan Limpus, Bundaberg, Queensland.

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shellman

Back again Rhys, Thomas Mcleod is credited with being the first Queenslander to fly a heavier than air machine in 1910. He eventually was given the Croix de Guerre with Palm and the OBE [Military]. He died in 1963 in England, but led a most interesting life, was a Barrister at law.

Allan

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CRFC

Hello Rhys,

I have just joined the forum and I was very interested to read about your work on the war diaries.

I am researching Sergeant Robert Charles Taylor who was awarded the D.C.M while with 13 Squadron. He was killed on November 20th 1917.

If you have any information on him in the diaries I would be fascinated to see it.

Many thanks,

Charles

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yeadon

Hi Rhys - splendid work with the 13 Squadron War Records. If you come across any mentions of Captain Greville Oxley Brunwin-Hales up to the date of his death I would really appreciate receiving them; any snippets however small. A little puzzled by the Prop Photo - an earlier respondent is right, it is a Memorial item - but is the item in your possession or do you just have the photo of it? Hope to hear from you in due course, present postings permitting, about the Captain. Regards - Doug

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markland

Capt Cecil Hoffming Marks and 2nd Lt William George Lawrence were both killed in BE2c 2017 when shot down in a combat south of St Quentin while on reconnaissance escort duty. They were shot down by Ltn Hans-Joachim Buddecke of FA23 for his 2nd victory.

Graeme

Hi Graeme - hope if I jump in here you, as someone well informed in RFC matters, can give me some advice. Can you guide me towards relevant documentation and its location which would help me complete my research into 2LT LAWRENCE EDWIN DUNNETT 27 SQUADRON RFC KiA 10/5/1918. I have all details regarding family, education, army and RFC enlistment, early flying training, commissioning, death, and have also checked his officer papers at Kew, but am stumped for the period from 1/8/1917 to 10/5/1918 and specifically for (a) where did he complete his final training (B) when was he posted to 27 Squadron © his operations with 27 Squadron up to his death. Which documents should I be looking at and where can I see them?

On a different note could you tell me if 29 Squadron Training Base was at Gosport or Beaulieu in Hampshire?

Regards - Doug

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Pierce09

Sorry i've been away for some time, work getting in the way! i shall have a look into the papers i have to any reference to the requested names.

Still learning; the prop is the property of XIII Sqn, of which i was posted from late last year. part of my time there was becoming interested in the history of the Sqn and it's memorabilia around the building. The prop was one of many unusual and interesting items.

I shall have a look tomorrow at some of the names people have provided me with and any information i can find.

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Guest snoopy dog

Hi,

When I saw this forum I had to sign in, with the hope, you are perhaps able to help me.

I'm doing a research for a friend, his uncle was Arthur (Hood) Wardlaw 402599, he was a second lieutenant at 13 squadron RFC of WW1.

I already found his medal card at the public record office at Kew, where his function is decribed as Air Mechanic 1st class.

We know also that he was stationed with 13 Squadron in 1917 at a place called Etrum, N-W of Arras.

He was shot down in a R.E.8 and killed together with his pilot Sargent Stanley on the 30th September 1917 at a place called Tilloy.

We also found the Germans name who claimed the shot down, his name was Ltn. Ernst Hamsher of Jasta 37.

Strange enough it was ten times easyer to find photos and records of the German than of my friends uncle.

I also found out that this German claimed two R.E.8 that day 30/09/1917.

What we still want to find out, and see is next:

-Any records of his los?

-information on the pilot that was with him?

-is there a flight record of 13 squadron available of that particular day he was shot down?

-And if possible we also want to find out the serial number of his aircraft?

-Any photos on the persons in question, or the aircarft as far if something is availeble?

Of course any other availeble information, would also be more than welcome.

Cheers,

Danny

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topgun1918

Danny

No 6717 Sgt Albert Oscar Stanley and No 402599 1st Class Air Mechanic [he was not an officer] Arthur Hood Wardlaw were lost in RE8 A3731. They had taken off at 10:50 for a photographic reconnaissance of the XVII Corps front but were shot down in flames.

Vzfw Ernst Hamster (or Hamscher) of Jasta 37 claimed the first two of his eventual three victories on 30 September 1917, first a machine that fell between Gavrelle and a point east of Tilloy at 11:55 and a second that fell between Fresnes and Plouvain at 12:05; this latter machine was probably RE8 A3765 from No 5 Squadron which was last seen in combat over Gavrelle, about 4 Km west of Fresnes.

No 13 Squadron was then based at Étrun, as you say, a short way north-west of Arras.

Graeme

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Guest snoopy dog

Thank you very much Graeme, this information makes the puzzle complete.

I still got one more question do you have by any chance the serial number of the Albatros?

Cheers,

Danny

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DaveKey

re posted to new 12 Squadron thread as I misread my notes!!

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