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Saint Leger 1918


griffy

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I would be grateful if members could help with a little detective work. I have just bought a house built in 1935 by a chap called John Creese, the then county architect for West Suffolk. The house is called Saint Leger and according to the lady we have purchased the house from (who bought the house in the 1960s from JC) Creese lost his leg in the war and named the house after where he had served. A quick google shows St Leger is a village approximately 12 km south of Arras and 8km north of Bapaume.

St. Leger village was occupied by Commonwealth troops in the middle of March 1917, lost after obstinate defence by the 40th and 34th Divisions a year later, and recaptured towards the end of the following August, after severe fighting, by the 62nd (West Riding) and Guards Divisions. I assume this was the Battle of Albert.

My appeals for help are…

Before the 1918 offensive the village would have been 3-4 miles behind the front line can anyone shed any light as to what activity was going on in the village at this time. I assume it would have been a logistics hub perhaps with a field hospital, Brigade HQ etc.

Secondly I can find no detailed account of either the defence or retaking of Saint Leger in 1918. Again can anyone provide or point me in the right direction of further information.

Finally I have checked the Medal Roll and there are 3 John Creese named.

L/Cpl John Creese MM Coldstream Guards

Private John Creese Warwickshire Regiment

Sgt John Creese North Staffs (Pioneer)

As far as I can tell there were no battalions of the Warwickshire’s or North Staffs in 40th, 34th 62nd Divisions during 1918 so might my man be the Guardsman?

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The Guards Division took it on 24 August 1918 - there is a shortish account (a couple of pages) in the Guards Division history, Vol 2, 124 - 127; and 2/Coldstream had a difficult day coming out of St Leger wood (they seem not to have been involved in the capture of the village itself on the 24th) on the 27th, ibid, p.135 - 136. If I remember correctly, the interesting little cemetery there has a fair number of Guardsmen in it as well as several German graves, the latter suffering from persistent vandalism ten or more years ago, doubtless easy prey to those so minded, as it is rather off the beaten path.

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It occurred to me that St Leger could be a person and not the village. A quick check of the CWGC shows a single record for St Leger. Lieutenant William Brett St Leger of 2nd Bn Coldsream Guards, died 27/4/18 and buried at Ayette cemetery. Would anyone know if L/Cpl John Creese MM Coldstream Guards served in the same platoon as St Leger. Do such detailed records exist?

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I think you'll find the village is the more likely option, especially give that the CG fought there in 1918, quite a notable Guards Division action. Probably worth getting hold of this guy's records.

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Thanks Nigel i am planning to do that. I'ts like an itch I cant scratch at the moment trying to link the man to the house. I'm also going to the local records office as in WW2 he was the Air Raid Precautions Department Controller for West Suffolk District Council so there should be a wealth of information.

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Hi All,

I think I am in a position to help you out since John Creese was my grandfather. Your assumption of the Coldstream Guards was correct. I do not know which battalion, but my father might.

Although I knew my grandfather (he passed away when I was about seven), I must always have visited the bungalow nearby where he and my grandmother moved in retirement. However, I do know the story of the house being named after the battle (not the horse race!). I always thought that rather macabre.

My grandfather was a proud soldier (I believe the MM on the record being Military Medal), who attended Coldstream reunions in Windsor in later life.

As you say, he also had a key civilian role in the 2nd war, heading Civil defence for West Suffolk. If you google that, you will find some interesting snippets.

My father recalls the air raid shelter in the garden, has it since been removed?

Best wishes, Ian.

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That's great Ian, thank you so much for the confirmation. The air raid shelter is still there complete with asbestos roof! As are the original architect plans which he drew. I will send you a PM later.

Best wishes

Griffy

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  • 5 years later...

Do any of you have any records relating to the Lt St Leger, he was my great great uncle and I am trying to do a little more research on him, I know he was South African and fought in what was then South West Africa before joining the guards, and I know at some point he won the Military Cross, and where he died/is buried, but I come up a bit blank there. Any help would be appreciated, Matt

 

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Try this link

 

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/2706/40465_291210-00011?pid=254154&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D2706%26h%3D254154%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DPzZ4132%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=PzZ4132&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true

 

If you cannot read it, son of Major R.A. St Leger of South African Medical Corps, of George, Cape Province, student at Cape Town (presumably university) but left to join Cape Town Highlanders for GWSA where he was a Cpl.  After campaign went to England and trained with Inns of Court Regt for commission. 2nd Bn CG, aged 23 kia 27th April, 1918

 

MIC below

 

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1262/30850_A001360-02911?pid=4824150&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1262%26h%3D4824150%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DPzZ4133%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=PzZ4133&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true

 

1915 Star to be issued by South Africans, served 6th South African Infantry

 

Julian

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https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=9841&h=2267149&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=PzZ4135&_phstart=successSource

 

Son of Robert Arthur and Annie Beatrice baptised 17th Apr, 1895, St Mary's Watford, Herts, still in Watford in 1901 census

 

 Return from Durban arriving in London on 22nd Oct, 1915

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1518&h=26420121&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=PzZ4137&_phstart=successSource

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