museumtom Posted 18 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 18 May , 2019 Sorry George I had to leave for Kildare and posted a man I was looking for and immediately found him. I apologise for your frustration, and assure it will not happen again. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 18 May , 2019 Share Posted 18 May , 2019 (edited) Joseph Vance, b abt 1890, of 55 Akinside St., Bootle, Lancs. 211922 1st Bn. Labour Corps. Born 22nd May 1890 Discharged medically unfit 18/9/1917. Valvular Disease of the Heart due to old Rheumatic Fever. Not due to Military Service. Sorry Tom. Edited 18 May , 2019 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 18 May , 2019 Share Posted 18 May , 2019 #211922 Vance was discharged with valvular disease of the hear after Rheumatic Fever as a child - not caused or aggravated by service. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 18 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 18 May , 2019 Thanks lads, I did spot him, but I cannot link him to the DC can you please? 13 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: Joseph Vance, b abt 1890, of 55 Akinside St., Bootle, Lancs. 211922 1st Bn. Labour Corps. Born 22nd May 1890 Discharged medically unfit 18/9/1917. Valvular Disease of the Heart due to old Rheumatic Fever. Not due to Military Service. Sorry Tom. Why are you sorry Dyfed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 18 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 18 May , 2019 (edited) His sister is Emma Lee as stated on the death cert, I looked for a marriage cert for her without success. Perhaps. http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I22068&tree=2 Edited 18 May , 2019 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 18 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 18 May , 2019 Would this help to find his records? http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I39979&tree=2#cite1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 18 May , 2019 Share Posted 18 May , 2019 6 minutes ago, museumtom said: Would this help to find his records? http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I39979&tree=2#cite1 Seems to point back to Dai's man... Name: Joseph Vance Regiment: Labour Corps Regimental Number: 211922 Death Date: 14 Jun 1918 Death Place: Bray, Ireland Birth Place: Bray, Ireland https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1633&h=47511&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=cla671&_phstart=successSource Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 18 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 18 May , 2019 Thanks Craig, it does not give that info in FMP, which is very welcome. Not a sniff about Bray in there are all. Here is FMP's offering. https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM/WO363-4/007271963/00951&parentid=GBM/WO363-4/7271963/66/951 Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 18 May , 2019 Share Posted 18 May , 2019 6 minutes ago, museumtom said: Thanks Craig, it does not give that info in FMP, which is very welcome. Not a sniff about Bray in there are all. Here is FMP's offering. https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM/WO363-4/007271963/00951&parentid=GBM/WO363-4/7271963/66/951 Kind regards. Tom. It's an odd one. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 18 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 18 May , 2019 Sure I'm a bit odd meself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 18 May , 2019 Share Posted 18 May , 2019 There's no Joseph Vance in Liverpool in 1911 but there is one in Wicklow. The Irish man is 38 in 1911 so I think there's been a mix-up between the two men at some point. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Bray_No_1/Dargle_Road_Upper/891209/ Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 18 May , 2019 Share Posted 18 May , 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ss002d6252 said: There's no Joseph Vance in Liverpool in 1911 but there is one in Wicklow. The Irish man is 38 in 1911 so I think there's been a mix-up between the two men at some point. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Bray_No_1/Dargle_Road_Upper/891209/ Craig But there is one in Bolton, born abt.1890 Co.Mayo !?!?!? https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2352&h=24407749&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=UnW1300&_phstart=successSource Edited 18 May , 2019 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 18 May , 2019 Share Posted 18 May , 2019 Just now, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: But there is one in Bolton, born Co.Mayo !?!?!? https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2352&h=24407749&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=UnW1300&_phstart=successSource He's got the age on his side. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 18 May , 2019 Share Posted 18 May , 2019 Been missing as wife's birthday celebration with family. Looks like familiar old circles though-but well done for tenacity everyone George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 18 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 18 May , 2019 Yes indeed very mysterious, in the interest of precision I think I will go with the records. If I could source the missing sheet on Ancestry that shows his birth in Bray I would go with that, even just the information in it. can you help please? Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 18 May , 2019 Share Posted 18 May , 2019 Joseph Vance Name: Pvt Joseph Vance Birth Place: Bray County Wicklow Ireland Death Date: 1918 Death Place: Bray County Wicklow Ireland Cemetery: Saint Peter's Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Bray County Wicklow Ireland Has Bio?: Y On Ancestry-https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/categories/34/?name=Joseph_Vance&birth=_bray-wicklow-ireland_10040288&birth_x=_1-0&location=3257.3250&name_x=1_1&priority=united-kingdom George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 18 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 18 May , 2019 Excellent, Thank you very much indeed George. That concludes this lad. Now then who's next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 18 May , 2019 Share Posted 18 May , 2019 A William Vance married an Elizabeth Kinsella, West Derby, Liverpool 1883. William Vance (Junior) born 1884 in Liverpool. He appears with a Vance family in Liverpool in 1891 aged 7 as a visitor. A James Kinsella, a brother-in-law is there as well. The family is not the older William’s. This William dies whilst in the RDF in Lincoln on 13/7/16. I could continue and try to sort out the mess but as you have called time no reason to. I think the records are very confused but there is a clear link between Bray and Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2019 Brilliant find Mark. I do see the link. II did have William but did not think to connect him to Joseph, they had the same parents. Thank you very much for that. I am hoping to finish 1918 today sometime and then are on toe 1919. I am optimistic about 1919 and hope to find more unrecorded deaths that would qualify. The same with 1920 and 1921. Kindest regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 May , 2019 Share Posted 19 May , 2019 A possible is this man on FWR First Name: Laurence Surname: Walsh Incident Details: Sickness, Age on Discharge 26. Information: Particulars Furnished: 19(b) Tavistock Square, London, WC1, 24/08/1918. Rank: Sapper Service Number: W.R.305323 Service From Date: 22/09/1914 Service To Date: 06/09/1918 Silver War Badge Number: 445887 War Office Ref. Number: RE/2296 https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/records/9744888/sapper-laurence-walsh-british-army-royal-engineers/ George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 May , 2019 Share Posted 19 May , 2019 On Find a Grave Lawrence Walsh Birth1892 DeathSep 1918 (aged 25–26) Burial Turlough Cemetery Castlebar, County Mayo, Ireland PlotSection- B Plot- 79 Memorial ID169727507 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/169727507/lawrence-walsh George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2019 George, you are rapid this morning. Thank you very much indeed, sure where would be be without you? Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 May , 2019 Share Posted 19 May , 2019 Up waiting for 20 month old Gdaughter to wake! George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 May , 2019 Share Posted 19 May , 2019 (edited) Removed-pasted in error Edited 19 May , 2019 by George Rayner Removal of mis copied Ancestry page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2019 Thank you very much indeed George, with your help I was able to find him in FMP, why could I not do that in the first place. FMP search let us down I reckon. Thanks again for all your help George! Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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