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museumtom

Sorry George I had to leave for Kildare and posted a man I was looking for and immediately found him. I apologise for your frustration, and assure it will not happen again.

 Kind regards.

 Tom.

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Dai Bach y Sowldiwr
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Joseph Vance, b abt 1890, of 55 Akinside St., Bootle, Lancs. 211922 1st Bn. Labour Corps.

Born 22nd May 1890

Discharged medically unfit 18/9/1917.

Valvular Disease of the Heart due to old Rheumatic Fever.

Not due to Military Service.

 

Sorry Tom.

Edited by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr

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ss002d6252

#211922 Vance was discharged with valvular disease of the hear after Rheumatic Fever as a child - not caused or aggravated by service.


Craig

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museumtom

Thanks lads, I did spot him, but I cannot link him to the DC can you please?

13 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

Joseph Vance, b abt 1890, of 55 Akinside St., Bootle, Lancs. 211922 1st Bn. Labour Corps.

Born 22nd May 1890

Discharged medically unfit 18/9/1917.

Valvular Disease of the Heart due to old Rheumatic Fever.

Not due to Military Service.

 

Sorry Tom.

Why are you sorry Dyfed?

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museumtom
Posted (edited)

His sister is Emma Lee as stated on the death cert, I looked for a marriage cert for her without success. 

Perhaps.

http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I22068&tree=2

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6 minutes ago, museumtom said:

Seems to point back to Dai's man...

Name: Joseph Vance
Regiment: Labour Corps
Regimental Number: 211922
Death Date: 14 Jun 1918
Death Place: Bray, Ireland
Birth Place: Bray, Ireland

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1633&h=47511&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=cla671&_phstart=successSource

 

Craig

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museumtom

Thanks Craig, it does not give that info in FMP, which is very welcome. Not a sniff about Bray in there are all.

Here is FMP's offering.

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM/WO363-4/007271963/00951&parentid=GBM/WO363-4/7271963/66/951

Kind regards.

 Tom.

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6 minutes ago, museumtom said:

Thanks Craig, it does not give that info in FMP, which is very welcome. Not a sniff about Bray in there are all.

Here is FMP's offering.

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM/WO363-4/007271963/00951&parentid=GBM/WO363-4/7271963/66/951

Kind regards.

 Tom.

It's an odd one.

Craig

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museumtom

Sure I'm a bit odd meself...

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Dai Bach y Sowldiwr
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3 minutes ago, ss002d6252 said:

There's no Joseph Vance in Liverpool in 1911 but there is one in Wicklow.

 

The Irish man is 38 in 1911 so I think there's been a mix-up between the two men at some point.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Bray_No_1/Dargle_Road_Upper/891209/


Craig

But there is one in Bolton, born abt.1890 Co.Mayo !?!?!?

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2352&h=24407749&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=UnW1300&_phstart=successSource

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George Rayner

Been missing as wife's birthday celebration with family. Looks like familiar old circles though-but well done for tenacity everyone

 

George

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museumtom

Yes indeed very mysterious, in the interest of precision I think I will go with the records. If I could source the missing sheet on Ancestry that shows his birth in Bray I would go with that, even just the information in it. can you help please?

Kind regards.

Tom.

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George Rayner

Joseph Vance

Name: Pvt Joseph Vance
Birth Place: Bray County Wicklow Ireland
Death Date: 1918
Death Place: Bray County Wicklow Ireland
Cemetery: Saint Peter's Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Bray County Wicklow Ireland
Has Bio?:

Y

 

On Ancestry-https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/categories/34/?name=Joseph_Vance&birth=_bray-wicklow-ireland_10040288&birth_x=_1-0&location=3257.3250&name_x=1_1&priority=united-kingdom

 

George

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museumtom

Excellent, Thank you very much indeed George. That concludes this lad. Now then who's next?

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Mark1959

A William Vance married an Elizabeth Kinsella, West Derby, Liverpool 1883.

William Vance (Junior) born 1884 in Liverpool. He appears with a Vance family in Liverpool in 1891 aged 7 as a visitor. A James Kinsella, a brother-in-law is there as well. The family is not the older William’s.  This William dies whilst in the RDF in Lincoln on 13/7/16.

I could continue and try to sort out the mess but as you have called time  no reason to. I think the records are very confused but there is a clear link between Bray and Liverpool.

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museumtom

Brilliant find Mark. I do see the link. II did have William but did not think to connect him to Joseph, they had the same parents. Thank you very much for that.

I am hoping to finish 1918 today sometime and then are on toe 1919. I am optimistic about 1919 and hope to find more unrecorded deaths that would qualify. The same with 1920 and 1921.

Kindest regards.

 Tom.

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George Rayner

A possible is this man on FWR

First Name:
Laurence
Surname:
Walsh
Incident Details:
Sickness, Age on Discharge 26.
Information:
Particulars Furnished: 19(b) Tavistock Square, London, WC1, 24/08/1918.
Rank:
Sapper
Service Number:
W.R.305323
Service From Date:
22/09/1914
Service To Date:
06/09/1918
Silver War Badge Number:
445887

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George Rayner

 

On Find a Grave

Lawrence Walsh

Birth1892

DeathSep 1918 (aged 25–26)

Burial

Turlough Cemetery

Castlebar, County Mayo, Ireland

PlotSection- B Plot- 79

Memorial ID169727507 

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/169727507/lawrence-walsh

George

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museumtom

George, you are rapid this morning. Thank you very much indeed, sure where would be be without you? 

Kind regards.

 Tom.

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George Rayner

Up waiting for 20 month old Gdaughter to wake!

 

George

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George Rayner
Posted (edited)

Removed-pasted in error

 

Edited by George Rayner
Removal of mis copied Ancestry page

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museumtom

Thank you very much indeed George, with your help I was able to find him in FMP, why could I not do that in the first place. FMP search let us down I reckon.

Thanks again for all your help George!

 Tom.

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