museumtom Posted 31 March , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 March , 2019 This should be an easy one, but I cannot find him, can you help please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 31 March , 2019 Share Posted 31 March , 2019 (edited) This your boy? Not unless he's Canadian!! George Edited 31 March , 2019 by George Rayner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 31 March , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 March , 2019 That's great George, thank you kindly. I cannot read it though, is he buried in Ireland? Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 31 March , 2019 Share Posted 31 March , 2019 No... I was a little trigger happy! Bad error on my part! George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 31 March , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 March , 2019 No problem George, I got excited once, the less said about that the better................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 31 March , 2019 Share Posted 31 March , 2019 After a little more consideration I wonder whether this is your man... Name: John A Houston Gender: Male Age:16 Birth Year: abt 1895 Relation to Head: Son Residence Date:2 Apr 1911 Townland/Street: Tamniaran District: Castledawson County: Londonderry Household Members: Name Age John Houston 56 John A Houston 16 Mary Houston 14 Carrie Houston 12 Augustus S Houston 10 Albert E Houston 8 But uncertain of Irish counties relative positions and amount of movement George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 31 March , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 March , 2019 Thanks George, there lies the question. I don't know if it is him or not as the only reference is his death cert, But it could be! Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 2 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2019 Hello all again. I sent his lad to Terry, IFCP, to see what he says, and he says there is no record of him. Can this be true please? Clogherhead is in County Louth. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 2 April , 2019 Share Posted 2 April , 2019 This looks like the family in 1911 but the age is a little out Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 2 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2019 It looks good to me Craig. Thank you for searching. Terry says R.N.R. records are notoriously difficult to find. So I said I would put it here and hope that he might be found. Thanks for all your help Craig!. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 2 April , 2019 Share Posted 2 April , 2019 Just had a look in the Ancestry index for RNR records. Can't see him, but lots of Lynches from the 1870s-90s from Clogher/heaad. Are there any medals I wonder? Mercantile Marine etc. Can't see anything relevant on the National Archive ebsite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 2 April , 2019 Share Posted 2 April , 2019 I can't see anything obvious either for him. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 2 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2019 Thanks Lads and Lassies. I will keep him in my files with the others that cannot be found. They will still be remembered. Thanks for all your help and for taking the trouble to search for me. Kindest regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 2 April , 2019 Share Posted 2 April , 2019 (edited) This could be he - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8682487 (N.B. LAURENCE Lynch) This is an absolutely dreadful scan of his RNR record - original at the Fleet Air Arm Museum but not obtainable for another year at least. He seems to have been discharged medically unfit in early 1915 having first enrolled in March 1910. The RNR Medal Roll (ADM 171/122) shows an Index Casualty (I.C.) reference for 1919 with his WW1 trio of medals issued to his father. Edited 2 April , 2019 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 2 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2019 What a find! Great sleuthing Horatio, and thank you kindly. I have sent the link on to Terry. That's should nail it now and he should be accepted I reckon. A great result, thank you very much indeed. Kind regards. Tom/. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 2 April , 2019 Share Posted 2 April , 2019 Great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 2 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2019 Thanks you very indeed to Bob for his kind PM which has been passed on to Terry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 2 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2019 From I.F.T.C.P,.- 'Most of his record is unembodied service on fishing boats. His only RN ship was the last, Lucy McKay (a hired drifter) and there is no war service listed though he was on this ship in July 1914. He was invalided in February 1915 so could have been embodied. However, his TB was obviously pre-existing at that early stage of the war. Pre-existing conditions do not qualify. So, we won’t progress this one without evidence of his illness being service caused.' So now we put one foot in front of the other and move to the next one, guys and gals.It was worth a shot, but life is a learning experience. Kind regards. Tom, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 2 April , 2019 Share Posted 2 April , 2019 51 minutes ago, museumtom said: Pre-existing conditions do not qualify. That cannot be correct. Recognition is given by the CWGC for any death caused or aggravated by war service. How can any condition be aggravated by war service unless it existed before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 2 April , 2019 Share Posted 2 April , 2019 2 hours ago, museumtom said: his TB was obviously pre-existing at that early stage of the war. Pre-existing conditions do not qualify. I agree with DByS. Can a medical expert please explain how this man's TB has been diagnosed as pre-war? Do we now have to assume that any man with six months war service or less (like Seaman Lynch RNR) must have contracted the disease in his civilian employment before mobilisation or enlistment? There was a recent thread spelling out how difficult it is to pin down when and where TB is contracted I think DByS contributed to the discussion but I cannot locate the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 2 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2019 I understand everyone's views and totally respect them. I don' agree with Terry but he is the gate I have to get through. I don't argue with him, its his ballgame, its his ball. Laurence Lynch will be remembered in my files where the criteria for inclusion is less stringent than the C.W.G.C. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 2 April , 2019 Share Posted 2 April , 2019 Could you try going directly to the C.W.G.C. ? Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 2 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2019 I will certainly try, if I knew how to do so Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 2 April , 2019 Share Posted 2 April , 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, horatio2 said: I agree with DByS. Can a medical expert please explain how this man's TB has been diagnosed as pre-war? Do we now have to assume that any man with six months war service or less (like Seaman Lynch RNR) must have contracted the disease in his civilian employment before mobilisation or enlistment? There was a recent thread spelling out how difficult it is to pin down when and where TB is contracted I think DByS contributed to the discussion but I cannot locate the thread. Thank you horatio2, It was this thread: In that thread, I tried to explain that it was not possible retrospectively to state when a particular infectious episode began. In that case, I tried to show it was not possible to prove that a case occurring many years later had been caused as a result of active service between 1914-18. In the current case, the principle is the same, trying to prove when this disease commenced. The soldier dies of TB, and it is asserted that this was a condition that existed at the time of his enlistment. That might possibly be the case but (unless there is documented evidence in his service record, or elsewhere, and I admit I have not read his service record), that assertion cannot be proved. Edited 2 April , 2019 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 2 April , 2019 Share Posted 2 April , 2019 Tom Go to C.W.G.C. website, Help and F. A. Q. How do I have details added or changed. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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