rolt968 Posted 12 January , 2018 Share Posted 12 January , 2018 Pure speculation of course. Could someone somewhere have confused what was said in the 1918 article? The gravestone has me baffled. Why is the father's date of death wrong? I wonder if there is book of the monumental inscriptions for the churchyard. Could B P Cumine's name be inscribed an a family gravestone and someone has assumed that he is buried there? But why 1918 as the date of death? RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 12 January , 2018 Author Share Posted 12 January , 2018 1918 is not the date of death its the date of burial. Beats me why the dod of the father is wrong. The assumption that William is buried there is based on the various spelling and versions of his name and that his burial is registered in 1918 in that cemetery. This cannot be established until I can access the grave registers. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 13 January , 2018 Author Share Posted 13 January , 2018 Regarding First name(s) B Last name Parkinson-Cumine Death year 1918 Death day - Death month - Burial Ground St Comgall’s Church of Ireland Newtownbutler Notes PARKINSON-CUMINE B. (St Comgall’s Church of Ireland Newtownbutler County Fermanagh Ireland) Died during the Great War 1914-1918 County Fermanagh Record set Ireland Memorial And Burial Register, 1618-2005 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Burials Collections from Ireland Transcriptions copyright Kabristan Archives About the database;- About Ireland memorial and burial register, 1618-2005 Preserving the details of gravestone inscriptions, these memorial records from Kabristan Archives contain the details of almost 41,500 individuals. The bulk of these records date between 1618 and 2005. The full memorial inscription for each gravestone is included. As well as the name of the deceased, additional family names are often included. Other details recorded can include cause of death and the profession of the deceased. The counties covered by these records are some of the least well represented in other online resources making this a valuable addition to the findmypast collection records for Irish family history. Areas covered by this data are as follows: So lads and lassies. It could be that it is just a name on a memorial and not a burial. To nail it down I have emailed FMP and requested an image of the original to see if it is a headstone, burial or memorial. Have we been barking up the wrong tree? Time will tell. You have all been very patient, helpful and generous with your time and efforts for which I am most grateful. Kindest regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 14 January , 2018 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2018 Just keeping you up to date. All is quiet on the Western Front. No reply from the Vicar or FMP, I am still waiting but dont hold out much hope at this stage. Thank you all for your time and effort. It really is very much appreciated. Kindest regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 14 January , 2018 Share Posted 14 January , 2018 Don't see his death on Scotlands People, not to say it isn't there. Attached is from May 1945, a newspaper report relating to a son. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 14 January , 2018 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2018 Thank you Mike, much appreciated. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 14 January , 2018 Share Posted 14 January , 2018 H 9 hours ago, Skipman said: Don't see his death on Scotlands People, not to say it isn't there. Attached is from May 1945, a newspaper report relating to a son. Mike Captain Parkinson-Cumine was killed in Korea in 1954, when his father was still alive. I have so far found B D Parkinson-Cumine still alive in 1956. There is a picture of him with some A Special Constables in the Ballymena Weekly Telegraph of 8 April 1922. I have also found a report of his MC. There are a lot of newspaper reports mentioning him since as District Inspector he prosecuted. I have more to go through. One Parkinson-Cumine (at least) died in 1918 - Catherine Parkinson Cumine (sic), 25 March 1918, Killough. I think she was B D's great aunt. Incidentally the newspapers seem to manage to vary the spelling of Deane/Dean/Deans a great deal! RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 14 January , 2018 Share Posted 14 January , 2018 Not sure you're correct with date of the son, which appears to have been 29th November, 1950, which makes more sense for the Korean War. Also not sure if that alters any date of death possibilities for the father? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 14 January , 2018 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2018 Thanks lads. Its difficult when they spell their names as differently as possible in all the variations. It certainly does not make it easy for us.] Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 14 January , 2018 Share Posted 14 January , 2018 41 minutes ago, Skipman said: Not sure you're correct with date of the son, which appears to have been 29th November, 1950, which makes more sense for the Korean War. Also not sure if that alters any date of death possibilities for the father? Mike Very careless of me; I was going by the date of the newspaper! I suspect it was probably to do with a memorial. I was too busy noticing that the father was referred to as "Major B D ...." not "the late Major...." in both articles. He seems to have been alive in 1956 when he became the treasurer of something in Belfast. RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 14 January , 2018 Share Posted 14 January , 2018 18 minutes ago, rolt968 said: Very careless of me; I was going by the date of the newspaper! RM Don't worry rolt, no-one does "careless" quite like me Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 14 January , 2018 Share Posted 14 January , 2018 47 minutes ago, rolt968 said: Very careless of me; I was going by the date of the newspaper! I suspect it was probably to do with a memorial. I was too busy noticing that the father was referred to as "Major B D ...." not "the late Major...." in both articles. He seems to have been alive in 1956 when he became the treasurer of something in Belfast. RM Benjamin Deane Parkinson-Cumine (30), Major R.I.S.C, married Florence Mary Cumine (27) on 03 September 1921 at St John's Church, Blackheath. Benjamin Deane Parkinson-Cumine died 26 May 1964 at Downshire Hospital Downpatrick. See #140. His son was Captain Ralph Nicholas Parkinson-Cumine MC. Birth registered Jul-Sep 1922 in Woolwich and died 29 November 1950. Plaque in St Anne's Church, Killough. See #141. Benjamin's brother - William Deane Butler Parkinson-Cumine born 22 March 1893 and the subject of this topic - served as Butler P Cumine with the CEF. Reported missing 13 May 1915 and 07 July 1916 was presumed to have died, for official purposes, on or since 24 April 1915. He may have been a casualty at the Battle of St Julien. JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 14 January , 2018 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2018 Good detective work lads, thank you very much. I still have not heard anything back from the Vicar or FMP. Kindest regards. Tim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 31 January , 2019 Share Posted 31 January , 2019 (edited) I have ve found B.P. Cumine for you! I am his relative and I inherited his medals. I think he is a great-great-uncle, but I cannot quite remember! I will look it up. Anyway, photos here. Edited 2 February , 2019 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 31 January , 2019 Share Posted 31 January , 2019 (edited) Hi B.P.Cumine, Pte. 16532 7th Batt. Canada CEF. Presumed dead 24.4.15., Menin Gate Memorial. War Graves register has name and address "Canon G.G.P. Cumine, Newtown Butler, Co.Fermanagh, Ireland" Butler Parkinson Cumine, father..George Gardner Parkinson Cumine 1848-1916. Full name William Deane Butler Parkinson-Cumine. Register shows location of Unit at time of Casualty "Vicinty of St.Julien" Regards Barry Apologies to all previous "posters".... should have gone to a certain opticians. Edited 31 January , 2019 by The Inspector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulianB Posted 3 February , 2019 Share Posted 3 February , 2019 (edited) I haven't read every word of this long thread but I was struck to find that there are links to my grandfather's brothers. Morter - my gt unc 2nd Lt 4Bn KLR was apprenticed to Morter and Dobie, architects and surveyors, The Temple, Dale Street, Liverpool. The senior partner was Sydney Pelham Morter who served as a Lt Col in the Royal Artillery during the war. As both were Liverpool residents I assume your Morter was a relative. Major Benjamin Deane Pelham Cumine, OC 60 Coy since 7.4.1917(WO 339/11539). My other gt unc was a 2Lt in 60 Coy MGC - his letters mention PC quite a bit (another coincidence is that I live bot far from the church that BDPC was married in!) Edited 3 February , 2019 by JulianB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 22 March , 2019 Author Share Posted 22 March , 2019 (edited) OK I got it, it is Jenner. I think that is who it is. Sorry guys and gals. His name is George Henry Jenner, sure what chance does a guy have. Kind regards. Tom. Edited 22 March , 2019 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margaretnolan Posted 22 March , 2019 Share Posted 22 March , 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, museumtom said: Good morning all. I am hoping you can help me once again, or I say lots of times again. I spent the last four months going through the death certs for the 26 Counties looking for candidates for the In From The Cold Project, I am also including 'the Gray Area' which would include, among others Munition Workers and soldiers who died at home after discharge between 1914 to Dec 1921. I hoped that most of them would be an easy ride but the first one, the very first one I looked at I could not nail down. Can you help identifying this father listed on his sons DC please? Tom, I’m wondering if you have come across Patrick Joseph Ryan 10157, 2nd Battalion Irish Guards, Died of pneumonia/influenza on 21st February 1919. On his way home on leave. We are fairly sure he died in Kilkenny. He is buried somewhere in Bennettsbridge, County Kilkenny. We are submitting him to the In From The Cold Project. We can’t find his death cert. Thanks Margaret Edited 22 March , 2019 by Margaretnolan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 22 March , 2019 Author Share Posted 22 March , 2019 Hello Margaret. There is no death cert in the Irish Archives for this soldier. Sorry. Cheers. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margaretnolan Posted 22 March , 2019 Share Posted 22 March , 2019 6 minutes ago, museumtom said: Hello Margaret. There is no death cert in the Irish Archives for this soldier. Sorry. Cheers. Tom. Hello Tom. When you say in the Irish Archives, do you mean gró in Roscommon? Thank you Margaret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 22 March , 2019 Author Share Posted 22 March , 2019 No, the Civil Records. https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margaretnolan Posted 22 March , 2019 Share Posted 22 March , 2019 4 minutes ago, museumtom said: No, the Civil Records. https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp Thanks Tom. I'v searched that and applied to gró. But nothing. Someone told me that overseas military deaths are held separately and should be in Kew. Might that be the case. Haven't contacted them yet. Margaret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 23 March , 2019 Share Posted 23 March , 2019 This on Ancestry... Name: Private Edgar Hamilton Beach Birth Date:1871 Birth Place: Fordingbridge, New Forest District, Hampshire, England Death Date:18 Jul 1915 Death Place : County Dublin, Ireland Cemetery: Grangegorman Military Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Cabra, County Dublin, Ireland Is that your man? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 23 March , 2019 Share Posted 23 March , 2019 ...or possibly the same man; 1911 Census Name: Edgar Hamilton Beach Age in 1911:40 Estimated birth year: abt 1871 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Salisbury Civil Parish: Bournemouth Search Photos: Search for 'Bournemouth' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address:66 Stourvale Rd, Pokesdown, Bournemouth Marital status: Married Occupation: House Painter Registration district: Christchurch George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 23 March , 2019 Author Share Posted 23 March , 2019 Excellent research George well done and thank you very much!. It shows how much the correct spelling helps. You are on the ball. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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