tn.drummond Posted 31 October , 2012 Share Posted 31 October , 2012 As a child in the sixties, the landlord of our village local had the splendid name of Sidney Verdun Sugg. His name was broadcast to all on the licensee's plate above the jug and bottle' - where I queued to redeem tuppence on Dad's Courage Light Ale empties. Having been told he was named for a significant battle for years afterwards I thought Verdun was the scene of a great British victory Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandie Hayes Posted 31 October , 2012 Share Posted 31 October , 2012 Stanley Verdun Sugg was born on 19th June 1916 in Yeovil, Somerset, just 3 days before the dreadful gas attack on the French at Verdun. Sandie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 31 October , 2012 Author Share Posted 31 October , 2012 Having been told he was named for a significant battle for years afterwards I thought Verdun was the scene of a great British victory I must admit I wondered about that. It was by far and away the most popular of all the names mentioned. I can find 2253 Verduns born in 1916. compared to none in 1913. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tn.drummond Posted 1 November , 2012 Share Posted 1 November , 2012 I must admit I wondered about that. It was by far and away the most popular of all the names mentioned. I can find 2253 Verduns born in 1916. compared to none in 1913. Perhaps it was because, on the face of it, 'Somme' would have been an inappropriate name to adopt for celebration. More than a touch of irony here as Verdun claimed around 700,000 casualties of whom 162,440 were dead or missing French and 143,000 dead or missing Germans. This figure of 304,500 men killed makes stark comparison with the total of 444,000 British Empire dead for the whole of WW2.* * Statistics from The Road to Verdun . Ian Ousby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMarsdin Posted 1 November , 2012 Share Posted 1 November , 2012 Indirectly related to this topic is all the French places with "rue Petain" or similar, most of which have now been renamed following his fall from grace (there is a thread on this aspect on the Forum) but I presume that many French children were given that name after WW1, just as we have seen children in Britain named in the previous posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 1 November , 2012 Share Posted 1 November , 2012 Once worked with a Frenchman whose forenames names were Jean Joffre, he was generally (no pun intended) known as JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted 1 November , 2012 Share Posted 1 November , 2012 Ned Flanders?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_East Posted 1 November , 2012 Share Posted 1 November , 2012 There was a RAFSgt Observer taken as a POW early in the Second World War..He was injuried and had a foot amputated effecting early repatriation in 1943. He was a few months old when his father was killed on the Great War.In memory of his father he was given the first name of European. I also had a late colleague with the middle name of Kitcher and a late uncle of mine was named with a second name of Redvers after the Boer War era General, Redvers Buller,a fellow Devonian i believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 1 November , 2012 Share Posted 1 November , 2012 I am a little surprised that Lee Enfield wasn't the first two given names of many children! khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 1 November , 2012 Share Posted 1 November , 2012 I also had a late colleague with the middle name of Kitcher and a late uncle of mine was named with a second name of Redvers after the Boer War era General, Redvers Buller,a fellow Devonian i believe. Given his general ineptitude in the South African War I'm surprised that children were being named after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theletterwriter Posted 1 November , 2012 Share Posted 1 November , 2012 Adding to IPT’s very interesting post, the following names are from the CWGC site which is, in all likelihood, not a comprehensive record of those people with a name which had a direct link to a First World War battle and who lost their lives during or shortly after the Second World War : - Arras Leonard Cogan 17/03/1941 Civilian Arras Loos Simpson 15/11/1942 Engine Room Artificer Royal Navy Arras Henry Worle 13/09/1943 Corporal Somerset Light Infantry Mons Teaney 05/07/1942 Greaser Merchant Navy Mons Layfield Benson 21/11/1942 Private Queens Royal West Kent Mons FM Weight 13/08/1944 Private Devonshire Regiment Verdun Loos James Pierpoint 14/10/1939 Marine Royal Marines Verdun Bishop 09/01/1940 Aircraftsman 2c RAF Verdun George Ellis 25/06/1940 Ordinary Seaman Royal Navy Verdun Charles Green 21/08/1940 Fireman & Trimmer Merchant Navy Verdun Rapp 05/02/1941 Stoker Royal Naval Patrol Service Verdun (Sonny) Chapman 08/04/1941 Trooper Royal Armoured Corps Verdun Hood Slavin 22/06/1941 Signaller SA Corps of Signals Verdun Victor Skerman 14/09/1941 Sergeant RAAF Verdun Wallace 14/12/1941 Private Leicestershire Regiment Verdun Charles MW Burrows 19/12/1941 Marine Royal Marines Verdun James Wicks 27/01/1942 Private Australian Infantry Verdun Reginald Blackwell 01/03/1942 Able Seaman Royal Australian Navy Verdun Pearce 02/03/1942 Ordinary Seaman Royal Navy Verdun Arthur Godfrey 26/03/1942 Leading Aircraftsman RNZAF Verdun Thomas Williams 18/04/1942 Marine Royal Marines Verdun Charles Brunsdon 10/06/1942 Trooper Royal Tank Regiment Verdun Oswald Stuck 22/07/1942 Private New Zealand Infantry Verdun Louvaine Beach 22/07/1942 Sergeant Australian Infantry Verdun Clifford Rand 17/08/1942 Private New Zealand Infantry Verdun Kirk 26/10/1942 Gunner Royal Artillery Verdun Blake Ray 10/11/1942 Flying Officer RCAF Verdun George Davies 06/12/1942 Private South Wales Borderers Verdun Smith 24/12/1942 Air Sergeant South African Air Force Verdun Trillo 18/03/1943 Fourth Officer Merchant Navy Verdun Ashley Scott 05/09/1943 Flight Lieutenant RAF Verdun Phillips 29/09/1943 Stoker 1c Royal Navy Verdun Arthur Vowles 15/10/1943 Lance Corporal Corps of Military Police Verdun James Chorley 22/10/1943 Pilot Officer RAFVR Verdun Frederick McDonald 07/11/1943 Flight Lieutenant RCAF Verdun Thomas Geo. Whitcombe 21/01/1944 Private Somerset Light Infantry Verdun James Johncock 22/01/1944 Private Queens Royal West Kent Verdun Mons Coker 19/02/1944 Private New Zealand Infantry Verdun Harold Alfred Mears 30/03/1944 Able Seaman Royal Navy Verdun Ernest Rogers 14/05/1944 Corporal King’s Own Shropshire LI Verdun Evans Price 17/06/1944 Private Welch Regiment Verdun Douglas George England 21/06/1944 Fusilier Royal Iniskilling Fusiliers Verdun Douglas George Williams 06/07/1944 Private Queens Royal West Kent Verdun James 15/07/1944 Private Gloucestershire Regiment Verdun Hayes 10/08/1944 Private Seaforth Highlanders Verdun Murry Biles 17/08/1944 Corporal Australian Army Postal Sv Verdun Iven Thomas 08/09/1944 Corporal QRR (West Surrey) Verdun Hughes 14/09/1944 Trooper Royal Canadian Dragoons Verdun J. Elliott 18/09/1944 Lance Corporal Nova Scotia Highlanders Verdun Dennis Venn 05/10/1944 Leading Aircraftsman RAFVR Verdun Honsberger 24/10/1944 Private A&S Highlanders Verdun Frederick Waters 06/03/1945 Private King’s Own Shropshire LI Verdun Guy Blazeley 21/03/1945 Private Australian Army Sv Corps Verdun Glenwood Parker 08/04/1945 Private 1st. Canadian Parachute Verdun Gregson Bradley 29/04/1945 Marine Royal Marines Verdun Louis Robinson 16/05/1945 Petty Officer Royal Navy Verdun Reginald Kinnon 07/06/1945 Private Australian Army Postal Sv Verdun Plowman 09/08/1945 CQMS Royal Corps of Signals Verdun Bernice Sheah 15/11/1945 Sister RAAF Nursing Service Douglas Apologies for the less than straight columns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 1 November , 2012 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2012 In memory of his father he was given the first name of European. There are 41 Europeans. It started in August 1914 and finished in 1916. I wonder what put a stop to that notion? Further to the ww2 casualties, one of the ww1 casualties was Redvers Kitchener Dodd, 8th Royal Berkshire, 3rd September 1918. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidearm Posted 2 November , 2012 Share Posted 2 November , 2012 I have a relative, born 1900, by the name Redvers BP Picton. The BP we presume refers to Baden Powell. The Picton is not the same family as Sir Thomas Picton, killed at the Battle of Waterloo, but many people linked to his estate (Picton Castle) took the name and this is also my family's connection. This gives my relative three military personalities' names in his. Is this a record? Gwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted 2 November , 2012 Share Posted 2 November , 2012 The only one I have found is on our local war memorial - Douglas Haig Archibald killed 1943 Aye Malcolm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf mcm Posted 2 November , 2012 Share Posted 2 November , 2012 It's not confined to children born during WW1. A friend of mine gave his daughter the middle name "Marne." She was born about 15 years ago! I asked them at the time why they decided to lumber their daughter with the name of a WW1 battle. They hadn't looked at it that way. I think my friend's grandfather's first name was Marne which is why they chose it. Going back to a much earlier period, I know of a Talavera Johnstone. Apparently she preferred to be known as 'Vera'! Regards, Alf McM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themonsstar Posted 5 November , 2012 Share Posted 5 November , 2012 I named my son (Simeon) after his great uncle who died in the Great War Private Simeon Holden Service No: 37460 Date of Death: 20/03/1916 Regiment/Service: South Wales Borderers 3rd Bn. Grave Reference D. Chapel. 536. Cemetery HEYWOOD CEMETERY, LANCASHIRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 5 November , 2012 Share Posted 5 November , 2012 A bit off topic but my youngest son was named after Capt Myles Keogh 7th US Cavalry. khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 5 November , 2012 Share Posted 5 November , 2012 Going back to a much earlier period, I know of a Talavera Johnstone. Apparently she preferred to be known as 'Vera'! Regards, Alf McM If she had been named Salamanca then Sal or Sally would have done. Been a bit tough for a girl being called Waterloo though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen1914 Posted 5 November , 2012 Share Posted 5 November , 2012 I like the name Amiens or Beaumont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJW Posted 5 November , 2012 Share Posted 5 November , 2012 A bit off topic but my youngest son was named after Capt Myles Keogh 7th US Cavalry. khaki Khaki, I hope you only used the names Myles and/or Keogh, and have not called your son "7th US Cavalry"? Or have you taken after the Beckhams?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 5 November , 2012 Share Posted 5 November , 2012 Khaki, I hope you only used the names Myles and/or Keogh, and have not called your son "7th US Cavalry"? Perhaps more famous than Myles Keogh was his horse Comanche, the sole US survivor of the Battle of Little Bighorn. See my post #21 on this thread. Michael Keogh on casements Irish Brigade was also related to Myles Keogh Perhaps your son got way with being called Comanche! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 5 November , 2012 Share Posted 5 November , 2012 "Comanche" still survives to this day, and is on display at the Kansas City University Museum. No my son wasn't given a 'rank', 'regiment' or even a battlefield name. I preferred the first name of a brave officer. best wishes khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackblue Posted 5 November , 2012 Share Posted 5 November , 2012 Interesting topic.... I have a Melba Peace Berthelsen born May 1919 and a Cavell Bridges Berthelsen born 1 April 1915 (General Bridges). Rgds Tim D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nf3996 Posted 6 November , 2012 Share Posted 6 November , 2012 When Zeppelin L33 was shot down on 23/24 September 1916 at Great Wigborough in Essex, a baby girl born that night at Abbots Hall Cottages, Great Wigborough, was named Zeppelina Clark. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 6 November , 2012 Share Posted 6 November , 2012 When Zeppelin L33 was shot down on 23/24 September 1916 at Great Wigborough in Essex, a baby girl born that night at Abbots Hall Cottages, Great Wigborough, was named Zeppelina Clark. Alan The total insensitivity of some new parents to their childrens sensibilities in later life never ceases to amaze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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