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s.s. Stanhope lost 1917 (torpedoed off Devon)


RaySearching

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Hi all

The S S Stanhope was torpedoed by the German submarine U B-31 on 17th June 1917

Details from wrecksite Here

I cannot find any of the crew listed on CWGC , using Geoffs wonderful search engine also draws a blank

can anyone help find them or are they not listed if not why ?

has anyone a list of the crew that perished

regards Ray

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22 Lost, but I can only find 20

ANDERSEN, Patrick Fireman & Tnir MM SS Stanhope (Middlesbrough) killed 17.6.17

ASHWORTH, James Taylor 3rd Engineer MM SS Stanhope A (Middlesbrough) drowned l7.6.l7

CARTER, Richard Gatenby Sailor MM SS Stanhope (Middlesbrough) drowned 17.6.17

CHANIOTY, Photis Fireman & Trimmer MM SS Stanhope (Middlesbrough) drowned 17.6. 17

CLARK, George Ordinary Seaman MM SS Stanhope (Middlesbrough) drowned 17.6.17

EVERS, F. Ship’s Cook MM SS Stanhope (Middlesbrough) drowned 17.6.17

JOANNAN, M. Fireman & Trimmer MM SS Stanhope (Middlesbrough) drowned 17.6.17

MIDDLETON, Thomas 1st Engineer MM SS Stanhope (Middlesbrough) drowned 17.6.17

MIDRl, M. Trimmer MM SS Stanhope (Middlesbrough) drowned 17.6.17

MORRELL, Arthur 2nd Engineer MM SS Stanhope (Middlesbrough) drowned 17.6.17

MORRIS, Frederick George (32) Carpenter, Mercantile Marine, S.S. Stanhope drowned 17.6.17

NELSON, G. J. Donkeyman MM SS Stanhope (Middlesbrough) drowned 17.6.17

PETTY, Robert Percy Mess Steward MM SS Stanhope (Middlesbrough) drowned 17.6.17

RICHARDSON, Ernest Branch Boatswain MM SS Stanhope (Middlesbrough) drowned 17.6.17

RICHARDSON, John Robinson Mate MM SS Stanhope (Middlesbrough) drowned 17.6.17

SNOWDON, Robert Steele Sailor MM SS Stanhope (Middlesbrough) drowned 17.6.17

SOUZA, Nicholas Fireman & Trimmer MM Stanhope (Middlesbrough) drowned 17.6.17

TRENCHARD, Eli, Steward MM SS Stanhope (Middlesbrough) drowned 17.6.17

WEATHERILL, James Able Seaman MM SS Stanhope (Middlesbrough) drowned 17.6.17

THOMSON, Alexander LdgSmn RNR 4051.B(PO) SS Stanhope killed 17.6.17

FLYNN, John Able Seaman RNVR WalesZ.2741 (D) SS Stanhope killed 17.6.17

Cheers Ron

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Hi Ron

many thanks for your time

The chap I was seeking is the following chap

Harris, Alfred James Harris who I believe was aboard the S S Stanhope

when she went down

Could Alfred have been the Master of the ship?

regards Ray

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Ray

From Charles Hocking’s "Dictionary of Disasters at Sea":

STANHOPE

English Steamship Co.; 1900; Ropner & Sons; 2,854 tons; 333x46x22-2; 275 n.h.p.; 9-5 knots; triple-expansion engines.

The steamship Stanhope was torpedoed and sunk by a German submarine seven miles S.W. by W. of Start Point on June 17th, 1917. Twenty-two men were killed. The captain was among the survivors.

One more to add to Ron's list:

17.06.1917 MORRIS Frederick George (32) Carpenter, Mercantile Marine, S.S. "Stanhope" (Middlesbrough)

CWGC casualty/2972384/

Terry

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thanks for the 21st Terry

so that makes 21 out of the 22 known to have perished ,and the master of the Ship survived

the late Bob Coulson has attributed he following to having served aboard the S.S Stanhope

( re his name on Middlesbrough war memorial)

Harris, Alfred James.

He is listed as serving with the Merchant Navy aboard the SS Stanhope which was

torpedoed off the coast of Devon on June 17th 1917 but his name does not appear

on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission listings

I dont know the source of his information

Could her be the 22nd crew member

have we a non commemorated here

regards Ray

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  • 1 month later...

Submitted to the GWF Team email -

IN REPLY TO THE SEARCH FOR THE 22ND MEMBER OF THE CREW OF THE SS STANHOPE TORPEDOED IN JULY 1917.?,

ABLE SEAMAN JOHN FLYNN WALES Z/2741 AGED 19 ROYAL NAVAL VOLUNTEER RESERVE OF 13 MADRAS STREET GRANGETOWN CARDIFF.

NAME APPEARS OF PANEL 24 PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL.

NAME OF JOHN FLYNN APPEARS ON THE GRANGETOWN MEMORIAL AND THE ST PATRICKS CHURCH ROLL OF HONOUR.

DAVID HUGHES FIELDWORKER FOR THE IMPERIAL WAR MUSEUM.

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Hi,

He is included in Ron's list of 20.

Terry

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I don't know where Ron got his list from in post #2, but it is possible to pick up all 21 men in the CWGC roll of honour by Geoff's search engine to search with 'Stanhope' in the 'Ship or Unit text' block, leaving all others blank. Thomson (RNR) & Flynn (RNVR) being Royal Navy men are commemorated on the Portsmouth & Plymouth Naval memorials, whereas the others are all Mercantile Marine, so are commemorated on the Tower Hill Memorial.

All 21 men can also be found listed (with some surname spelling & initial variations) as being lost on the Stanhope in the GRO Maritime Deaths for 1917; there is no record of the death of anyone named Alfred James Harris (or variants) on the Stanhope or any other vessels for that year nor, at least as far as I can see, any other men given as being lost on the Stanhope.

Could it be that the 22 deaths have been reported in error at some stage and this has then filtered down through other secondary documents ie where did the figure of 22 killed come from originally? ( I seem to recall that this isn't the first vessel where there have been problems with reconciling the number of deaths recorded in the official records with the total number of deaths reported elsewhere)

As SS Stanhope's home port appears to have been Middlesbrough, her loss and the names of the crew lost may have been fully reported in the local press at the time.

NigelS

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Hello NigelS

The crew names come from the three Cross of Sacrifice books Volumes II, IV and V. The 22 crewmen lost is taken from "British Merchant Ships Sunk by U-boats in the 1914-1918 War" (A.J. Tennent) and as you say, often the numbers can be incorrect:)

Cheers Ron

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