sykikcabbage Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 Hello everyone, I'm trying to ascertain how many UK nationals who served in the UK armed forces on the Western Front in 1914-18 never returned from France or Belgium, but instead are either buried there, or have no known resting place but are commemorated by name there. I've tried to glean an answer from the CWGC's Annual Report for 2010-11, but unfortunately its figures aren't broken down that way. Many thanks for any help you may be able to give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 Belgium - 195496 France - 532689 (I just entered the country name and First World War on the CWGC search page) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 John that will not include "Known unto God" will it as the CWGC database does not record these. Would you not have to deduct these (if the number were known) from the number recorded on memorials to arrive at a net figure?. Norman PS This could end up very complicated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 Yes, it includes the "Known to God" as they are recorded on the database aganst the relevent memorial to the missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 Revised figures: Belgium: 162751 France: 440707 Just spotted that Psychic was only interested in UK numbers, not dominion/empire troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 Good point John (Post 4)! and quite correct. Norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 Whist Psychic was seeking to determine How many UK nationals who served in the UK armed forces on the Western Front in 1914-18 never returned from France or Belgium, but instead are either buried there, or have no known resting place Spare a few moments to remember today the 5,934 UK nationals who lost their lives in the Great War , Who are buried or commemorated in Germay many of who served on the Western Front were taken prisoner and died in enemy hands Regards Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 Fair point, I did say it gets complicated! Regards Norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 Not forgetting the 67 in Switzerland many also at the time Prisoners of war shall we go on ? regards Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 Yes go on! Norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 Iraq 51496 Turkey 36809 Greece 12729 India 18868 Iran 3989 Ireland 2635 Malta 1947 Portugal - 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoons Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 You may wish to take account of those who died in F&F but whose bodies were repatriated in the early part of the war. Also the figures quoted will include all those who served in the UK forces I think? Regardless of whether they were UK or foreign nationals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 Conversely, there must have been many UK nationals fighting with other commonwealth countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 As usual This thread has slightly been diverted away from the original question which John has kindly answered Have not soldier’s been discovered who have a grave and are also commemorated on a memorial thus being counted twice The true figure will probably never be known Johns answer is about as near as close to it as you will get regards Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 Have not soldier’s been discovered who have a grave and are also commemorated on a memorial thus being counted twice Yes. But I believe only a handful. And, of course, there are also the men discovered by modern day researchers, including the volunteers from the In From the Cold project, who are not yet commemorated on actual memorials (but are recognise in the online database. I'm trusting the figures I've given above will be sufficiently accurate for Psychic's purposes. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 This thread has slightly been diverted away from the original question He started it, sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 Quote from John Hartley (I'm trusting the figures I've given above will be sufficiently accurate for Psychic's purposes) With him being Psychic, Could the o p not just have read our minds regards Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Filsell Posted 23 October , 2012 Share Posted 23 October , 2012 You were just ahead of me. I rumbled psychics when I saw an advert posted ourside Church Hall for a Pshychics' Fair.Perhaps cabbages think different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retlaw Posted 23 October , 2012 Share Posted 23 October , 2012 Found this some time ago is it any help. Retlaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sykikcabbage Posted 15 November , 2012 Author Share Posted 15 November , 2012 Thanks to everyone for your replies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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