abbrover Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 Although MIC shows Reece C Valentine he was baptised as Christopher Reece Valentine in 1899. As can be seen on his MIC he served with Cheshire Regiment and Royal Scots Fusiliers. I think it means he served with R.Scots Fusiliers first and was then transferred to Cheshire Reg. but if anyone can tell me otherwise, thats great. Although his MIC doesn't show it, he was awarded MM which was listed in LG on 25 April 1918 while he was with Royal Scots Fusiliers. (I think 1/5th). I am trying to find out why he got MM (I know citations haven't survived but wondered if anyone has War Diary for 1/5 which mentions him). Also any ideas when he may have transferred (either from Royal Scots to Cheshires or Cheshires to Royal Scots if I have it the wrong way round!) Any help at all in tracing his service would be great. I've checked LLT so I know 1/5 were in Gallipoli and then sent to France but i'd really like a rough idea of when he went overseas, he was born Dec 1898 so I'm guessing early to mid 1917 unless he lied about his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hywyn Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 Judith The card suggests Scot Fusiliers first, then Cheshires. Assuming you are on Anstry. Go to Service papers. Put Scot* Fus* in Regiment and 241* in numbers. This returns 21 records. Some will be 3, 4 or 5 digit numbers. Go through the others to see if there is a pattern for enlisting/transfer in. e g Henry Gordon 241798 transferred in from ASC on 7 1 1918 (image 7634) Repeat for Chesh* and 316* (315* or 317* etc) Also do same in Pensions. Hywyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggers Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 The MIC for the MM should be on the National Archives site, but it is unlikely to add any details of the award. It will cost you. D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbrover Posted 22 October , 2012 Author Share Posted 22 October , 2012 Thank you both. I'll try that Hywyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 22 October , 2012 Share Posted 22 October , 2012 The card suggests Scot Fusiliers first, then Cheshires. Although the six digit RSF number suggests post early 1917 and the Cheshire's number seem to me consistent with a spring 1915 enlistment. A check through the Ancestry papers will confirm one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbrover Posted 22 October , 2012 Author Share Posted 22 October , 2012 Thank you John. I've done a search and although I can't find any transfers i did find that the Royal Scots Fusiliers number definately suggests early 1917 and 1/5th Bn. Not much luck with the Cheshires although I did find that 31612 Pte Harry Plumpton enlisted into the Cheshire Regiment on 19th July 1915 which ties in with your suggestion John. I've found his marriage certificate this afternoon which says he was a Private in Royal Scots Fusiliers and that was October 1918. I'm beginning to wonder if he has enlisted underage into the cheshires and the 2 on his MIC is possibly meant to be 2 Cheshires and the 1 by Royal Scots Fusiliers has been incorrectly written instead of 1/5. Any other suggestions greatfully received! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem49 Posted 23 October , 2012 Share Posted 23 October , 2012 I always thought the first unit shown was the first a man served with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbrover Posted 23 October , 2012 Author Share Posted 23 October , 2012 I agree Steve, thats what I always thought but the confusion came with someone writing 2 next to Cheshires and 1 next to Royal Scots and as his Royal Scots number suggests he was 1/5th I didn't think the 1 and 2 referred to the battalion he served with. I'm beginning to think he enlisted underage with the Cheshires and then at some stage was transferred to Royal Scots. I would still like to know why he got the MM or at least to have some idea which action he got it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rksimpson Posted 23 October , 2012 Share Posted 23 October , 2012 Hi THe medal rolls the MIC refers to may give you the answer, but they are not online, someone has to go to NA and look them up. Another thing to note, the card was originally written in just the blue pen. THe rolls are here - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=5450733&CATLN=6&Highlight=%2CD%2C102%2CD%2C102%2CD%2C102%2CD%2C102&accessmethod=0 The black additions occured at other times. You see the A995 is the old reference to the medal roll, it is now the WO reference. ALso note it is for the RSF, which if I understand it right, was his last regiment, but that confuses the 1 and 2?? Do the dates in the remarks column mean anything to you? regards Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbrover Posted 23 October , 2012 Author Share Posted 23 October , 2012 I'm assuming the 1921 date is the date the medals were issued. He died in 1986 which is a bit of a coincidence with the second date! I've just found a R.C.Valentine as a prisoner of war in WW2, a Lieutenant serving with the RASC. He would still have been young enough to serve in WW2 so I think I need to look into that a bit more. Hopefully I will get to Kew in the New Year so I can check the medal rolls then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rksimpson Posted 24 October , 2012 Share Posted 24 October , 2012 HI I thought the later date may refer to that, my Grandfather's card had a date close to his death, maybe notification by someone to them? Hope the rolls answer your questions regards Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbrover Posted 24 October , 2012 Author Share Posted 24 October , 2012 Thanks Robert, fingers crossed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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