Audax Posted 29 September , 2012 Share Posted 29 September , 2012 16 KRRC in Essex http://www.cheshammuseum.org.uk/cmalbum/Chesham%20at%20War/slides/w7-64-10.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audax Posted 29 September , 2012 Share Posted 29 September , 2012 http://www.cheshammuseum.org.uk/cmalbum/Chesham%20at%20War/slides/w7-64-13.html 16/KRRC at Denham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Owl Posted 29 September , 2012 Share Posted 29 September , 2012 http://www.cheshammu...s/w7-64-13.html 16/KRRC at Denham? Was it normal for the front rank to all smoke pipes whilst marching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audax Posted 29 September , 2012 Share Posted 29 September , 2012 On 30/09/2012 at 02:08, old owl said: Hi All, I wonder if this chap features anywhere in your research? Captain Edward Maurice Gonner, M.C., 16th(CLB)Bn K.R.R.C., Kia 23/4/17, age 22. He was the son of Rev.E.P.Gonner and Mrs Gonner of 12,Yew Tree Rd., Edgbaston, Birmingham and was educated at Dean Close School, Cheltenham and Lincoln College, Oxford. He was one of the original officers of the battalion having been commissioned a 2/Lt into this Bn on 29/3/15. Robert His medals were sold by DNW in 2002 see http://www.dnw.co.uk/medals/auctionarchive/searchcataloguearchive/itemdetail.lasso?itemid=30540 His MC (without citation) here http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/30111/supplements/5479/page.pdf E M Gonner is mentioned three times in this GWF post by Chris Baker see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Owl Posted 29 September , 2012 Share Posted 29 September , 2012 His medals were sold by DNW in 2002 see http://www.dnw.co.uk...so?itemid=30540 His MC (without citation) here http://www.london-ga...s/5479/page.pdf E M Gonner is mentioned three times in this GWF post by Chris Baker see http://1914-1918.inv...howtopic=125006 Thanks Audax, very useful information. I actually bought the group in 2005 for less than the DNW hammer price of 2002!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audax Posted 29 September , 2012 Share Posted 29 September , 2012 16/KRRC at Rayleigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conijoni Posted 29 September , 2012 Share Posted 29 September , 2012 Hi 13thchesh. Conijoni here. Have not been visiting the site as often lately so am sorry to keep you waiting. You could send me a personal message at any time. I watched the sale on ebay with interest but as my friend was bidding on it, I did not bid. Am pleased the photo went to a good home. Anyway...can confirm that this IS a photo of the 16th KRRC at Denham. It is a picture of 'C' Company taken before the issue of uniform, which was initially the blue uniform. It was not only uniforms the battalion had to wait on, but rifles as well. When they were inspected by the Archbishop of Canterbury the men paraded with wooden staves, just like Boy Scouts carried in the early days. The picture you have appeared in the January 1915 issue of 'The brigade' and this is how I can confirm its identity. As the photo is in a magazine its quality is not very good, so I would like to take up your offer of a good quality scan. Will send my email address by personal message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audax Posted 30 September , 2012 Share Posted 30 September , 2012 Was it normal for the front rank to all smoke pipes whilst marching? Field Service Regulations 1912 and Infantry Training 1914 para 112 sec 6, discouraged smoking on the march; no mention of pipes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Owl Posted 30 September , 2012 Share Posted 30 September , 2012 Field Service Regulations 1912 and Infantry Training 1914 para 112 sec 6, discouraged smoking on the march; no mention of pipes. Thanks Audax, I suppose at this early stage of the war and presumably being ignorant of such regulations, these officers possibly thought that they were setting a good example to the men!!?? Or was it some sort of Status symbol? Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacks4jules Posted 30 September , 2012 Author Share Posted 30 September , 2012 Firstly sorry have been snowed under at work and home since I posted my question and not seen the replies. So I was thrilled to read all the information and replies amazing thank you. Thank Audax , MBrockway,Llew and conijoni !!! I was hoping that William Crook MM (Bolton) or William Keighley (Pontefract) would be in the photo. Though I do have photographs of both soldiers it would have been nice to have with there company. The additional photographs are great thanks. Thanks everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conijoni Posted 18 October , 2012 Share Posted 18 October , 2012 From THE BRIGADE, June 1917. See also next post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conijoni Posted 18 October , 2012 Share Posted 18 October , 2012 If you click on the article it should be more easily read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camberwellboy Posted 19 October , 2012 Share Posted 19 October , 2012 Good Morning All, I have just joined the GWF and came accross this. I have a book which has a little about the CLB 16th (s) K.R.R.C. It's called the Somme by Lyn Macdonald. In the authors notes it has a list of soldiers quoted. There is also a photo of one one of the CLB platoons. It also states details of their training days upto the battle of the Somme. I hope this helps a little. Regards, Ashley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aradgick Posted 19 October , 2012 Share Posted 19 October , 2012 I have another candidate for being in the photo: Rifleman George William Slyfield, C/1340, born 1897 at Crowthorne, Berks, enlisted at Denham, Bucks, DOW 2nd July 1916, listed on Loos Memorial. I have already found his MIC and traced him in the censuses but any snippets or photos of him would be very welcome. Andrewr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camberwellboy Posted 19 October , 2012 Share Posted 19 October , 2012 Here's some candidates for the photo. Cpl J Beament MM (CLB) 1 Platoon A Coy 16th KRRC Sgt J Brown MM 3 Platoon A Coy 16th KRRC Rfl H R Langley Rfl F Pearce (CLB) Charles (Charlie) Rogers 32 CLB worked at a paper mill in Croxley Green Herts. Regards, Ashley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 19 October , 2012 Share Posted 19 October , 2012 There are a few more men with a "C" prefix, but no Battalion shown. C/1765 L/Cpl. Albert john Huckle 114, Trinity Lane Hinckley C/12866 Rflmn. George Bradford Griffin Inn Glenfield (12th Btn shown on AVL) C/12433 Cpl. Charles Sage 27, Newcombe Street Little Bowden (52nd Btn shown on AVL) Regards. Llew. I should point out that the 'C/' prefix with higher numbers was also used for 17/KRRC, 18/KRRC, 20/KRRC and 21/KRRC as well as some of the reserve/training battalions made up of surplus men who had enlisted under the recruitment campaigns for these later New Army battalions. Having a 'C/' prefix does not automatically mean the rifleman was in 16/KRRC. Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conijoni Posted 19 October , 2012 Share Posted 19 October , 2012 Having a 'C/' prefix does not automatically mean the rifleman was in 16/KRRC. Now where have I heard that before? Johnny Conn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Llewellyn Posted 27 November , 2012 Share Posted 27 November , 2012 Another Leicestershire man serving, 45170 Pte. William Newmans 16th Battalion KRRC as per the AVL 35, Victoria Road, Woodhouse Eaves, Leics. Regards. Llew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rap1943 Posted 17 June , 2013 Share Posted 17 June , 2013 Hi I've just come back to the GWF after a long absence as I have recently had a photo restored by the good people at RootsChat which revived my interest again (think I got the photo from Conijoni but not sure). The photo is of the group of Rochdale CLB volunteers for the 16th KRRC taken on 21st Sept 1914 and referenced by Audax in a Sept post on this thread. In the referenced article from the Manchester Evening News in 2008 it was stated that nobody was certain where it was taken. Well I would say very likely in Rochdale perhaps on the hill sloping down from the vicarage maybe. I have attached the photo and transcriptions of two clippings from the Rochdale Observer, the one dated 23rd Sept 1914 seems to be describing the events that may have taken place on the 21st. My connection is my father who is right at the back in the middle behind the bloke in uniform with a 'rifle', his expression seems to suggest he may be having second thoughts! I have a larger version of the photo and images of the clippings iof anyone would like them, just PM me. Bob Sept 19th 1914.doc Sept 23rd 1914.doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 17 June , 2013 Share Posted 17 June , 2013 Welcome back Bob - great to hear from you again! Hope all's well down under. Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rap1943 Posted 18 June , 2013 Share Posted 18 June , 2013 G'Day Mark, thanks very much for the welcome. Everything is great in Terra Australis, it's even raining! Cheers Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Essexgurl Posted 1 August , 2013 Share Posted 1 August , 2013 Hello all, I stumbled on this forum while looking for information on the K.R.R.C CLB battn, my Great Uncle Frank Albert Tracey born 7 March 1893 enlisted in this regiment on 18 September 1914 at Colchester, Essex his regimental number was C79 which is a lot lower than the ones I have read about in this thread, I do not know if this means he was among the first to enlist or if it was geographical. While searching for information on him in the newspaper on findmypast I came across the attached snippet of his death but not the hoped for photo sadly. I would welcome any information on the KRRC or the CLB to flesh out his bones. Many thanks Essexgurl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 6 August , 2013 Share Posted 6 August , 2013 Essexgurl - you might have had more responses by starting new thread about Rfn Tracey!C/79 would indicate a very early enlistment into 16/KRRC (= the KRRC CLB battalon) and it would be 99.99% certain that he would have come from a Church Lad's Brigade background.Johnny Conn (Pal conijoni) can probably add more - he has a lot of info about the early enlisters. If you're very lucky, there might also be a photo of Rfn Tracey in the CLB's archive.What was Frank's date of death?Cheers,Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbw541 Posted 8 August , 2013 Share Posted 8 August , 2013 Hi Essexgurl. Welcome to the forum. It looks like you have already done a lot of research into your G. Uncle, Rfn Tracey. You may already know but his service records have survived (39 pages,(page1570-1605)). I had a quick skim through them and it seems your G. Uncle was in `A` company of, as Mark says in post 48, 16/KRRC. DOD. 10/03/1918. All the best, Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Essexgurl Posted 27 August , 2013 Share Posted 27 August , 2013 Hi Mark and Joe Sorry about the delay in my response, yes I do have his service records from Ancestry.co.uk but they are not the easiest to read. I was hoping maybe to have found a photo of him. Many thanks for you replies Carol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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