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Ok very difficult to show it is blue. Easist to see when looking through the toorie, with strong light.

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Lining seems baggy as if the felt had shrunk maybe?

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Given your photographs there’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that the bonnet, the central line of dicing and the toorie are all dark blue.  It seems very likely to have originally been a bonnet for 6th Bn HLI with an erroneous badge added subsequently.

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On 11/12/2018 at 13:21, MBrockway said:

The London Scottish wear a blue toorie, but IIRC with a dark blue glengarry?

 

Mark

Bit late to the party here, but the answer is, yes, they do. From memory, when I joined, my first job was to remove the red toorie on the glen I was issued, and replace it with a blue one.

(OK, I confess. My mum did it).

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Found a bit more too, 25th Lanarkshire Rifle Volunteers. Also called or later on the 2nd VB HLI

1906 Full uniform change, including blue balmoral bonnet's , red,white and blue dicing and eagles feather.

No mention of toories.

Looks like this battalion had the boer war connetion, with 79 ex-serving vets.

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3 hours ago, Steven Broomfield said:

Bit late to the party here, but the answer is, yes, they do. From memory, when I joined, my first job was to remove the red toorie on the glen I was issued, and replace it with a blue one.

(OK, I confess. My mum did it).

It was (and still is) a bright blue rather than dark blue.

24 minutes ago, Lammy said:

Found a bit more too, 25th Lanarkshire Rifle Volunteers. Also called or later on the 2nd VB HLI

1906 Full uniform change, including blue balmoral bonnet's , red,white and blue dicing and eagles feather.

No mention of toories.

Looks like this battalion had the boer war connetion, with 79 ex-serving vets.

That was the unit that after 1908 became 6th TF Bn HLI, so you now understand the origins.

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Just now, Lammy said:

:) figured it out in the end. With a lot of googling.

Precisely so….

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On 22/07/2021 at 05:49, Lammy said:

Ok very difficult to show it is blue. Easist to see when looking through the toorie, with strong light.

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Lining seems baggy as if the felt had shrunk maybe?

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If you could measure the space between the two lugs on the back of the present badge, I could then tell you if that is identical to an HLI badge.  That would tell us if the 6th HLI hypothesis is valid.

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Unless of course the bonnet had once been pristine (unissued) and never had any badge at all until the current one was placed on it.  The simple fact is that it’s such a long time ago since that particular pattern of bonnet was used that it’s impossible to be 100% certain about its provenance, Lammy.  All we can do is make an informed guess, based on what it is known that certain auxiliary units that made up the Territorial Force, and whose origins laid with the rifle volunteer corps, were directed to wear.

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14 hours ago, Lammy said:

Yep, can never be sure without any direct provenance. Eitherway the badge suits the bonnet.! :)

To be honest you could take a nice shiny thistle badge and place it on any decent quality Scottish bonnet and it would “suit” because that’s the iconic image that’s become expected.  In the final analysis, when stripped bare of all illusions, it’s all part of a romantic fallacy invented by the likes of Sir Walter Scott as part of his encouragement of a faux Scottish National dress. 

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On 22/07/2021 at 18:49, FROGSMILE said:

It was (and still is) a bright blue rather than dark blue.

 

Correct.

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19 hours ago, Lammy said:

With a tape measue it is 4.4 - 4.5cm from lut to lug.

The two HLI badges that I have measure  4.1 - 4.2 cm lug to lug.

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