Lammy Posted 22 July , 2021 Share Posted 22 July , 2021 (edited) Ok very difficult to show it is blue. Easist to see when looking through the toorie, with strong light. Lining seems baggy as if the felt had shrunk maybe? Edited 22 July , 2021 by Lammy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 22 July , 2021 Share Posted 22 July , 2021 (edited) Given your photographs there’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that the bonnet, the central line of dicing and the toorie are all dark blue. It seems very likely to have originally been a bonnet for 6th Bn HLI with an erroneous badge added subsequently. Edited 22 July , 2021 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lammy Posted 22 July , 2021 Share Posted 22 July , 2021 Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 22 July , 2021 Share Posted 22 July , 2021 On 11/12/2018 at 13:21, MBrockway said: The London Scottish wear a blue toorie, but IIRC with a dark blue glengarry? Mark Bit late to the party here, but the answer is, yes, they do. From memory, when I joined, my first job was to remove the red toorie on the glen I was issued, and replace it with a blue one. (OK, I confess. My mum did it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lammy Posted 22 July , 2021 Share Posted 22 July , 2021 (edited) Found a bit more too, 25th Lanarkshire Rifle Volunteers. Also called or later on the 2nd VB HLI 1906 Full uniform change, including blue balmoral bonnet's , red,white and blue dicing and eagles feather. No mention of toories. Looks like this battalion had the boer war connetion, with 79 ex-serving vets. Edited 22 July , 2021 by Lammy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 22 July , 2021 Share Posted 22 July , 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Steven Broomfield said: Bit late to the party here, but the answer is, yes, they do. From memory, when I joined, my first job was to remove the red toorie on the glen I was issued, and replace it with a blue one. (OK, I confess. My mum did it). It was (and still is) a bright blue rather than dark blue. 24 minutes ago, Lammy said: Found a bit more too, 25th Lanarkshire Rifle Volunteers. Also called or later on the 2nd VB HLI 1906 Full uniform change, including blue balmoral bonnet's , red,white and blue dicing and eagles feather. No mention of toories. Looks like this battalion had the boer war connetion, with 79 ex-serving vets. That was the unit that after 1908 became 6th TF Bn HLI, so you now understand the origins. Edited 22 July , 2021 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lammy Posted 22 July , 2021 Share Posted 22 July , 2021 (edited) figured it out in the end. With a lot of googling. Edited 22 July , 2021 by Lammy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 22 July , 2021 Share Posted 22 July , 2021 Just now, Lammy said: figured it out in the end. With a lot of googling. Precisely so…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon92 Posted 23 July , 2021 Share Posted 23 July , 2021 On 22/07/2021 at 05:49, Lammy said: Ok very difficult to show it is blue. Easist to see when looking through the toorie, with strong light. Lining seems baggy as if the felt had shrunk maybe? If you could measure the space between the two lugs on the back of the present badge, I could then tell you if that is identical to an HLI badge. That would tell us if the 6th HLI hypothesis is valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lammy Posted 23 July , 2021 Share Posted 23 July , 2021 With a tape measue it is 4.4 - 4.5cm from lut to lug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 23 July , 2021 Share Posted 23 July , 2021 (edited) Unless of course the bonnet had once been pristine (unissued) and never had any badge at all until the current one was placed on it. The simple fact is that it’s such a long time ago since that particular pattern of bonnet was used that it’s impossible to be 100% certain about its provenance, Lammy. All we can do is make an informed guess, based on what it is known that certain auxiliary units that made up the Territorial Force, and whose origins laid with the rifle volunteer corps, were directed to wear. Edited 23 July , 2021 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lammy Posted 23 July , 2021 Share Posted 23 July , 2021 Yep, can never be sure without any direct provenance. Eitherway the badge suits the bonnet.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 23 July , 2021 Share Posted 23 July , 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Lammy said: Yep, can never be sure without any direct provenance. Eitherway the badge suits the bonnet.! To be honest you could take a nice shiny thistle badge and place it on any decent quality Scottish bonnet and it would “suit” because that’s the iconic image that’s become expected. In the final analysis, when stripped bare of all illusions, it’s all part of a romantic fallacy invented by the likes of Sir Walter Scott as part of his encouragement of a faux Scottish National dress. Edited 24 July , 2021 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 24 July , 2021 Share Posted 24 July , 2021 On 22/07/2021 at 18:49, FROGSMILE said: It was (and still is) a bright blue rather than dark blue. Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lammy Posted 24 July , 2021 Share Posted 24 July , 2021 So true. Just found a picture of the 6th with bonnets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon92 Posted 24 July , 2021 Share Posted 24 July , 2021 19 hours ago, Lammy said: With a tape measue it is 4.4 - 4.5cm from lut to lug. The two HLI badges that I have measure 4.1 - 4.2 cm lug to lug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lammy Posted 24 July , 2021 Share Posted 24 July , 2021 Thank you for checking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lammy Posted 27 July , 2021 Share Posted 27 July , 2021 Just realised the territorial badge , would be a little bigger than the Standard Assaye badge , but I think a 1900-02 HLI badge would fit. Have one on the way , I have a Assaye HLI badge , but no way that would fit the holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 27 July , 2021 Share Posted 27 July , 2021 30 minutes ago, Lammy said: Just realised the territorial badge , would be a little bigger than the Standard Assaye badge , but I think a 1900-02 HLI badge would fit. Have one on the way , I have a Assaye HLI badge , but no way that would fit the holes. Yes the Volunteer Battalion badge was a slightly different design and so perhaps there is some difference with the lug spacing as you suggest. It will be interesting to see what transpires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lammy Posted 29 July , 2021 Share Posted 29 July , 2021 (edited) Well the 1900-1902 badge has arrived , and it is a perfect fit. Exactly the same lug spacing as the Scottish reserve badge. Edited 29 July , 2021 by Lammy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lammy Posted 29 July , 2021 Share Posted 29 July , 2021 Same holes used. Lugs were a little shorter. But a perfect fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 29 July , 2021 Share Posted 29 July , 2021 1 hour ago, Lammy said: Same holes used. Lugs were a little shorter. But a perfect fit. Thank you for the update. There's a pretty strong probability evidenced there then, and I imagine that it feels good to have the right unit badge in the right pattern of bonnet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lammy Posted 29 July , 2021 Share Posted 29 July , 2021 It certainly does , even if I did pay a little more than I wanted for the badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 29 July , 2021 Share Posted 29 July , 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Lammy said: It certainly does , even if I did pay a little more than I wanted for the badge. Ouch! Unfortunately that tends to be par for the course when it's a badge that was worn by just one unit and only for a specific period of time. It sends the scarcity dynamic skyrocketing, especially now that we're in a new century since its origin. Nevertheless, it's a nice artefact and seems to be in very good order. Rejoice! Edited 29 July , 2021 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lammy Posted 29 July , 2021 Share Posted 29 July , 2021 (edited) The first thing you see when entering my home. ***. Has almost caused a few heart attacks. Almost there now. 6 foot dummy , dressed as a gordon at the moment, awaiting HLI kilt to be delivered. Unfortunately the tunic is a 1922 pattern. Just waiting on the right one, to come along. All webbing is dated between 14-16. Non quillion dated 15 chapman bayonet.(quillion is awaiting pick up). Oh yes, the SBR bag is post 1926 MkvI the hypo is a repro. Edited 29 July , 2021 by Lammy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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