Anthony Pigott Posted 4 August , 2004 Share Posted 4 August , 2004 Does anyone know anything about this chap? He's a relative of my wife - her Grandfather's cousin, in fact, whose two sisters I met while they were still with us. I just have what's on the CWGC database so far, i.e.: Captain HERBERT MARTIN BENSON LAWFORD 9th Bn., Royal Fusiliers who died age 29 on 07 October 1916 Son of Martin Benson Lawford and Emily Agnes Lawford, of Trewern, Oswestry, Salop. Thanks Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gord97138 Posted 5 August , 2004 Share Posted 5 August , 2004 Anthony: I found this on the 1891 census-(listed as Herbert W.B. Lawford)(transcribers error)- The origonal census page shows him as Herbert M.B. Lawford! gordon Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County Lawford, Agnes 6 Oswestry, Shropshire Daughter Oswestry Shropshire Lawford, Emily A 34 Birkenhead Wife Oswestry Shropshire Lawford, Herbert W B 3 Oswestry, Shropshire Son Oswestry Shropshire Lawford, Martain B 34 Oswestry, Shropshire Head Oswestry Shropshire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Pigott Posted 5 August , 2004 Author Share Posted 5 August , 2004 That's tremendous - thanks so much. I hadn't realised his sister Agnes was quite so old. I last met her around 1980, I suppose. She was a lovely lady who was great fun to talk to. She ran the farm at Trewern with her 'younger' sister. Their brother's photograph was always there. Thanks again. Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gord97138 Posted 5 August , 2004 Share Posted 5 August , 2004 Anthony: Glad I could help! gordon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 5 August , 2004 Share Posted 5 August , 2004 Anthony, From the date of death and the battalion it is likely that Captain Lawford would have been KIA in the attack on Bayonet Trench north of Guedecourt/Flers. My uncle, Thomas Frederick Hooper, was a private in the 8th Bn Royal Fusiliers and was KIA in the attack on the same day and, although his body was found in 1917, he has no known grave. I have recently been to this area of France and have some photos which I would be happy to send you off line. Regards, Ray Hooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Pigott Posted 5 August , 2004 Author Share Posted 5 August , 2004 Anthony, From the date of death and the battalion it is likely that Captain Lawford would have been KIA in the attack on Bayonet Trench north of Guedecourt/Flers. My uncle, Thomas Frederick Hooper, was a private in the 8th Bn Royal Fusiliers and was KIA in the attack on the same day and, although his body was found in 1917, he has no known grave. I have recently been to this area of France and have some photos which I would be happy to send you off line. Regards, Ray Hooper Ray That's very kind. I'll e-mail you. Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Lee Posted 26 April , 2012 Share Posted 26 April , 2012 The Law Society's records show that Captain Lawford was a solicitor, having been admitted in October 1911. He was a member of Longueville & Co., of Oswestry. Information, obtained (presumably) from his family in 1920s is as follows: He obtained a commission in Royal Fusiliers at the outbreak of War and promoted Captain June 1915. Wounded March 1916 and returned to front in September 1916. Reported missing 7th October 1916 and subsequently officially reported killed in action that day. Regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 26 April , 2012 Share Posted 26 April , 2012 Anthony, Ray is correct, the following is an extract from Westlakes' 'Battalions on the Somme' 9th (Service) Battalion. 36th Brigade, 12th (Eastern) Division: Moved from billets at Frechencourt to Nab trenches in support (1/7). To line at Ovillers (5/7). Heavy losses during attack on Ovillers (7/7). To Senlis (9/7), Forceville (10/7), Bus-les-Artois (11/7), Mailly-Maillet (20/7), Bois de Warnimont (24/7) , Bus-les-Artois (25/7), Hedauville (26/7), Bouzincourt (27/7), Albert (29/7). Successful attacks on 4th Avenue and Ration Trenches (3/8) and (4/8). To Varennes (9/8), Puchevillers via Lealvillers and Toutencourt (12/8), Vauchelles-les-Authie (I5/8). Transferred to Arras sector ( 16/8). Arrived Neuvillette (28/9). To Pommiers Redoubt (30/9), trenches west of Gueudecourt (6/10). To Gird support line (7/10) - heavy losses during attack on Bayonet Trench, To Bernafay Wood (8/10), front line Gueudecourt (16/10), Fricourt Camp (19/10), Burie (20/10). Transferred to Arras sector (22/10). Bayonet Trench can be seen to the top left below Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 26 April , 2012 Share Posted 26 April , 2012 Promoted Lieutenant - 29th October 1914, to Captain 11th June 1915. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Underdown Posted 26 April , 2012 Share Posted 26 April , 2012 I think the firm of solicitors is still in existence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guy Edwards Posted 29 January , 2017 Share Posted 29 January , 2017 I knew HMBL's sisters well and my family owes them much - my father was in service to the Lawford family and was always very well treated. I grew up on the Lawford estate. I recently discovered a webpage http://hmblawford.org.uk created by someone who obviously knows the family and has access to HMBL's letters. I would love to be able to contact the author, but the 'leave a comment' facility appears not to work, even when logged in with a Wordpress account - so I have no way of contacting the owner. The solicitors' firm is still in existence - Longueville Gittins of Oswestry. Trewern Hall, HBML's home, was sold-on many years ago, and the sisters, Agnes (who married Arthur Hamilton Bardswell) and Norah (who never married), moved into a smaller house in Hengoed, called Little Trewern. Trewern Hall has since changed hands a number of times and has been renamed Hengoed Park which is now a specialist residential residential home. The estate (especially the farm) was notable architecturally, not least for the use of 'yellow' Ruabon bricks - reportedly costing 6d each when it was built! Part of the farm is now converted into housing, but sadly, much of it (including the engine and pump room) is in a state of disrepair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Heaton Posted 17 March , 2017 Share Posted 17 March , 2017 (edited) On 1/29/2017 at 15:10, Guy Edwards said: I knew HMBL's sisters well and my family owes them much - my father was in service to the Lawford family and was always very well treated. I grew up on the Lawford estate. I recently discovered a webpage http://hmblawford.org.uk created by someone who obviously knows the family and has access to HMBL's letters. I would love to be able to contact the author, but the 'leave a comment' facility appears not to work, even when logged in with a Wordpress account - so I have no way of contacting the owner. The solicitors' firm is still in existence - Longueville Gittins of Oswestry. Trewern Hall, HBML's home, was sold-on many years ago, and the sisters, Agnes (who married Arthur Hamilton Bardswell) and Norah (who never married), moved into a smaller house in Hengoed, called Little Trewern. Trewern Hall has since changed hands a number of times and has been renamed Hengoed Park which is now a specialist residential residential home. The estate (especially the farm) was notable architecturally, not least for the use of 'yellow' Ruabon bricks - reportedly costing 6d each when it was built! Part of the farm is now converted into housing, but sadly, much of it (including the engine and pump room) is in a state of disrepair. A very interesting posting ! My family owned the pub at nearby Upper Hengoed, between 1981-2007; I believe that the last of the Lawford family had just passed away by then, but quite a few of our customers spoke fondly of them. Interesting to read about the family and the hall - thank you for making the posting. Edited 17 March , 2017 by Andy Heaton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janet rimmer Posted 22 January , 2023 Share Posted 22 January , 2023 On 29/01/2017 at 15:10, Guest Guy Edwards said: I knew HMBL's sisters well and my family owes them much - my father was in service to the Lawford family and was always very well treated. I grew up on the Lawford estate. I recently discovered a webpage http://hmblawford.org.uk created by someone who obviously knows the family and has access to HMBL's letters. I would love to be able to contact the author, but the 'leave a comment' facility appears not to work, even when logged in with a Wordpress account - so I have no way of contacting the owner. The solicitors' firm is still in existence - Longueville Gittins of Oswestry. Trewern Hall, HBML's home, was sold-on many years ago, and the sisters, Agnes (who married Arthur Hamilton Bardswell) and Norah (who never married), moved into a smaller house in Hengoed, called Little Trewern. Trewern Hall has since changed hands a number of times and has been renamed Hengoed Park which is now a specialist residential residential home. The estate (especially the farm) was notable architecturally, not least for the use of 'yellow' Ruabon bricks - reportedly costing 6d each when it was built! Part of the farm is now converted into housing, but sadly, much of it (including the engine and pump room) is in a state of disrepair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janet rimmer Posted 22 January , 2023 Share Posted 22 January , 2023 On 17/03/2017 at 21:16, Andy Heaton said: A very interesting posting ! My family owned the pub at nearby Upper Hengoed, between 1981-2007; I believe that the last of the Lawford family had just passed away by then, but quite a few of our customers spoke fondly of them. Interesting to read about the family and the hall - thank you for making the posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 23 January , 2023 Admin Share Posted 23 January , 2023 Unfortunately, Guy Edwards who made the post about the family, is no longer a member of the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janet rimmer Posted 23 January , 2023 Share Posted 23 January , 2023 2 hours ago, Michelle Young said: Unfortunately, Guy Edwards who made the post about the family, is no longer a member of the forum. reading your messages lovely i am looking for history on Hengoed resedential park read a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Edwards Posted 2 July , 2023 Share Posted 2 July , 2023 On 23/01/2023 at 08:45, Michelle Young said: Unfortunately, Guy Edwards who made the post about the family, is no longer a member of the forum. Hi, I don’t know how I left the forum, but I’ve just rejoined, so if I can help with any information about Trewern and HMBL, I would be happy to oblige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janet rimmer Posted 2 July , 2023 Share Posted 2 July , 2023 thank you any information on this topic would love this ,i have done a art work on how Hengoed resitential is now . i have printed off everythinh you sent and done a file on the history od the story KIND REGARDS JANET RIMMER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Edwards Posted 2 July , 2023 Share Posted 2 July , 2023 Hi Janet, Here are two photos that may be of interest. The first is HMBL’s home, Trewern Hall, circa 1921. The second is of the park gates at Cae Glas Park in Oswestry - his name is inscribed at the bottom of the column. He is also commemorated on the War Memorial in Gobowen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Edwards Posted 2 July , 2023 Share Posted 2 July , 2023 I suspect that everyone has already seen this photo of HMBL, but just in case you haven’t, here it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janet rimmer Posted 6 July , 2023 Share Posted 6 July , 2023 thank you stunning i will look at the gates love the hisory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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