Hired Drifter F.H.S. YH 809

[nicknobbyclark]

I have brief details on this vessel but can anyone add any more information or perhaps something on her war-time service etc?

Hired Drifter

F.H.S. YH 809

Admiralty number 1155

95 Tons

Built 1908

Armament 1x 6 pounder gun

war service March 1915 - 1919

Used as Net Drifter:

Thank you

Nick Clark

[Michael Lowrey]

Nick,

F.H.S. was built at Grimsby in 1908 as Buchan Ness. She was registered at Yarmouth in 1912 and her managing owner in 1914 and 1919 is listed as John T.C. Salmon of 40 Camperdown, Great Yarmouth. Gross tonnage was 95, net tonnage 35. F.H.S. was built of steel and was 86.2 feet long, had a breath of 18.5 feet and had a depth in hold of 9 feet. Her official number was 127147.

Best wishes,

Michael

[nicknobbyclark]

Thank you for the prompt reply Michael

Do you know if a photograph of the drifter in war-time rig exists?

Kind regards

Nick

[Tony Davenport]

HI, I am not sure if this will be read, but I hope so. My Great Grandfather Frederick Jay was the skipper on F.H.S and he was serving when WW1 broke out so he was commissioned into the RNR and stayed with his drifter during and and also after the war, I am curious as to the reason foe asking about this boat and I would love any pictures there might be of it before, during and after the war ended. I have only 1 image of the boat and I am not sure if it is before or after the war, I know this as there is no 6 pounder in the picture, so it would have been before or after. 

Thanks in advance

Tony

[pierssc]

Hi Tony, welcome to the Forum

 

@nicknobbyclark hasn't visited the forum since 2016, and he doesn't appear to be "following" this thread.  However if you send him a personal message, which you should be able to do after you have made two posts (just reply to this one and you've there), then as long as he is still able to receive messages via the email address he gave when he registered, he should get a notification and you're in business.

 

cheers

Piers

Edited 11 September , 2020 by pierssc

[Tony Davenport]

Hi pierscc, only just seen this as I did not get a notification for some reason, I will as you say try to send him a personal message and see if he replies, thanks again

 

Thanks

 

Tony

[Guest]

Hi Tony and pierssc

 

Sorry for the long absence - far too complicated to go into now but happy to be back! I just need to get my old username to work!

 

Tony - Interested to hear that your Great Grandfather Frederick Jay was the skipper.

 

Unfortunately I don't have any photographs of her but If my memory serves me correct, I was seeking information on her as I get a lot of requests through my research into the Royal Naval Reserve in WW1 and the Royal Naval Patrol Service in WW2.

 

Would love to see your photograph of her.

 

Meanwhile I try and search for my original reference to  Drifter F.H.S. YH 809 and see what I come up with.

 

All the best for a safe 2021!

 

Nick

 

 

Edited 31 December , 2020 by Guest

[Tony Davenport]

Hi Nick

 

Can you share any of the requests as I would be interested in finding out who was inquiring about her. I know that the drifter was F.H.S before the great war and my Gt Grandfather was he skipper then, and also when it was commissioned into the RNR, and he stayed as the skipper after it was decommissioned. The only picture I ave was either before the war or after, as there is no sign of the 6lb gun it had, here is the image.

Let me know if you come up with anything, but as far as I know this is the only known image of her.

 

All the best

 

Tony

[ChrisSimm]

Thank you so much for all this. I am collecting information on ships which were broken up at Bo'ness. I am trying to get a bit of background rather than just a list of names and this discussion has fillled a gap for me. She later was renamed Thealby and was registered in Banff until she was broken up in 1938.

 

Edited 15 March , 2021 by ChrisSimm

[Tony Davenport]

Hi Chris

Thanks for this, can you share any information you have on this drifter please?

[ChrisSimm]

This is what I have. According to my records she was broken up in Bo'ness by P & W MacLellan, probably in 1937

Buchan Ness.pdf

[Tony Davenport]

HI, many thanks for this, it is really interesting, do you know if their are any pictures or crew lists available? I know my Gt Grandfather was the Skipper before the war and styed with the boat when it was commissioned into the RNR, I am assuming he stayed with the boat until J T salmon sold it, which would have been around 1919. Any other info would be really great 

[ChrisSimm]

The crew lists are kept in the National Archives in Kew, and are not available online.  See  https://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/vesselsnum/127147?data/vesselsnum/127147

There is a crew list project but that only gives you the ships details not the names of the crew. This is what they have for Buchan Ness - Theably

What was your ancestor's name?

Thealby.pdf

Edited 15 March , 2021 by ChrisSimm

[Tony Davenport]

8 hours ago, ChrisSimm said:

The crew lists are kept in the National Archives in Kew, and are not available online.  See  https://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/vesselsnum/127147?data/vesselsnum/127147

There is a crew list project but that only gives you the ships details not the names of the crew. This is what they have for Buchan Ness - Theably

What was your ancestor's name?

Thealby.pdf 348.52 kB · 0 downloads

His name was Frederick Jay born Acle 1874, died 1939 in Norwich

 

[ChrisSimm]

I have had a look in the British Newpaper Archive and Ancestry. It looks like you have already tried Ancestry as I see you have inserted a photo of F. Jay there. I did not find much in either but here are the results. I think some of the newspaper articles refer to a different F J but I'm sure you can sort that out. Other than reading the Arthur Ransome books I know little about East Anglia which does not help. Also I do not know whether it is likely he would have landed his catch in Grimsby or whether the AJ who seems to have fallen foul of the police there is a totally different fisherman.

 

 1892 Hull Daily Mail - Monday 17 October 1892 (Grimsby news)

  1893 Diss Express - Friday 17 February 1893

  1894 Eastern Evening News - Monday 19 February 1894

  1894 Norfolk News - Saturday 24 February 1894     1904 Hull Daily Mail - Friday 08 April 1904

   

 1908 Norfolk News - Saturday 19 September 1908

   

1881

1891

 

1901

 

1911

 

1939

 

Edited 16 March , 2021 by ChrisSimm

[Tony Davenport]

3 hours ago, ChrisSimm said:

I have had a look in the British Newpaper Archive and Ancestry. It looks like you have already tried Ancestry as I see you have inserted a photo of F. Jay there. I did not find much in either but here are the results. I think some of the newspaper articles refer to a different F J but I'm sure you can sort that out. Other than reading the Arthur Ransome books I know little about East Anglia which does not help. Also I do not know whether it is likely he would have landed his catch in Grimsby or whether the AJ who seems to have fallen foul of the police there is a totally different fisherman.

 

 1892 Hull Daily Mail - Monday 17 October 1892 (Grimsby news)

  1893 Diss Express - Friday 17 February 1893

  1894 Eastern Evening News - Monday 19 February 1894

  1894 Norfolk News - Saturday 24 February 1894     1904 Hull Daily Mail - Friday 08 April 1904

   

 1908 Norfolk News - Saturday 19 September 1908

   

1881

1891

 

1901

 

1911

 

1939

 

Hi

I know that he lived in Gorleston and I am pretty sure he did not sail out of Grimsby, but I could be wrong. I know he got his skippers permit in 1910 as I have the original document. I am not sure if he is the one who was drunk. but what do you mean about the AJ?

I will see if I any obtain any crew records

[ChrisSimm]

Sorry Mistyping I meant F J. I think you might have to wait until the National Archives reopens. Certainly nothing open here in Scotland

[Tony Davenport]

2 minutes ago, ChrisSimm said:

Sorry Mistyping I meant F J. I think you might have to wait until the National Archives reopens. Certainly nothing open here in Scotland

Thanks :-)