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Geoff D Taylor

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I am researching my Grand Uncles' roles in WW1 and I was sent this photo from my cousin.

The man pictured certainly has a family resemblence but I am finding difficulty associating the picture with one of my four Grand Uncles.

The uniform looks very plain and so far I cannot work out the cap badge due to the poor resolution.

My Grand Uncles are...

David Bushell Taylor, Cheshires, Private, 49578 killed (Thiepval)

Edward William Taylor, RSG 5018, Royal Welch Fuslilers 42716, Bandsman

James Taylor, Royal Garrison Artillery 95540, Killed 12/06/1917 (Le Havre)

Francis Taylor, Royal Engineers, WS Cable Section, 78670

Is the uniform consistent with any of them?

Regards

Geoff Taylorpost-19182-0-82099500-1325605492.jpg

Carine, Western Australia

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Geoff, Small unusual cap badge on a 'backing' but the cloth shoulder patch looks very similar to the Red rose of the 55th Lancashire Division.

Tony P

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Definitely the 55th Division rose, but (Sorry) - don't recognise the cap badge.

Simon

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Were the 6th K.L.R. part of the 55th Div.? If so could it be their badge on a corded type boss--the shoulder title looks a little like 'Kings'!!? or would this be T/6/Kings?

Just a couple of thoughts.

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Geoff,

The uniform does not fit any of you relatives.

I would say 55th Div and one of the Liverpool (King's) Reg't Bn.

Can you post a blow-up of the shoulder area. He is actually wearing two different types of shoulder badges.

The normal Gilded Metal--which is a bit obscured and Slip-on embroidered titles.

The Slip-ons in this case have been sewn to the shoulder==which is per order issued in Feb 1917 although the practice of sewing to the shoulders started much earlier--There is a well known photo of Irish Guardsmen gowing through Gas Helmet inspection in circa Sept 1916 and all have the slip-ons sewn to the shoulder.

I think the blow-up will conform the King's Regiment.

Joe Sweeney

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Thanks for the deliberations.

It has helped greatly, though it now leaves me with problems to solve.

The picture seems to be my Gr Uncle James whom we know anectdotally was killed in WW1.

The picture appears to show him as a member of the Kings Own (Liverpool) 55th Division.

I was then prompted to try and match this with several lines of research...

First line of reaserch...

Medal Card

James Taylor 14416 L'pool Rgt Deceased

Commonwealth War Graves Commisssion

Name: TAYLOR, JAMES

Initials: J

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment/Service: The King's (Liverpool Regiment)

Unit Text: 12th Bn.

Age: 21

Date of Death: 17/06/1916

Service No: 14416

Additional information: Son of John and the late Margaret Taylor.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: VIII. A. 38.

Cemetery: LIJSSENTHOEK MILITARY CEMETERY

Unfortunately this fails - he should have been 28 and his parents are James Bushell Taylor and Mary Taylor.

Second line of research...

We also have a photo attributed to Gr Uncle James Taylor with him wearing the uniform of the Royal Garrison Artillary.

Commonwealth War Graves Commisssion

Name: TAYLOR

Initials: J

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Gunner

Regiment/Service: Royal Garrison Artillery

Unit Text: 114th Heavy Bty.

Date of Death: 12/06/1917

Service No: 95540

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: F. 15.

Cemetery: ST. LEGER BRITISH CEMETERY

This appears plausible, but now that we have the new photo...???

Regards

Geoff

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Just perusing Geoffs

I found a Taylor Francis James London Regt [The Rangers] 12 Btn A Coy,

Aged 23 Died 03/07/16,

Son of Mr and Mrs James B Taylor, 3 Station Rd Tadcaster

A bit younger than you wanted but does the address tie in?

Regards

John

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Just perusing Geoffs

I found a Taylor Francis James London Regt [The Rangers] 12 Btn A Coy,

Aged 23 Died 03/07/16,

Son of Mr and Mrs James B Taylor, 3 Station Rd Tadcaster

A bit younger than you wanted but does the address tie in?

Regards

John

Sorry Bigjohn,

My uncles were from Toxteth.

I am pretty right on the military histories for David Bushell Taylor, Edward William Taylor and Francis Taylor.

Most of the pieces have fallen into place over the past couple of years for them.

James is the problem one.

David Bushell Taylor

1915 Private 49578 Cheshires 13th (service) batallion KIA 21/10/1916 Ancre, France

Edward William Taylor

1902 Bandsman (trumpeter) 5018 RSG 2nd Dragoons, Boer War,

1916 Bandsman 42716 Royal Welch Fusilers, Egypt,

1925 Gunner 765742 Royal Artillery 87th Brigade

Francis Taylor

1915 Driver 78670 Royal Engineers WS Cable Section, Italy

1939 Cheshires - rejected due to deafness

Regards

Geoff

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I'm afraid that 95540 is a John, Geoff:-

Name: John Taylor

Regiment or Corps: Royal Garrison Artillery

Regimental Number: 95540

ETA: the National Archives also bear that out (MIC), so do you have independent proof that was his number (medals or family papers, say)? I've also failed to find anyone who might match amongst the RGA men on CWGC.

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Geoff,

The 55th Division was a Territorial Force division. Whilst the shoulder title looks like a King's title, This style was for regular & service btn troops only (including Liverpool Pals after 1916) but not Territorials. Most of the King's Regt Territorial Force units had blackened rifles buttons and none had cap badges that looked like this chap's.

I can't identify the cap badge for you but it doesn't neccessarily add-up that this soldier was a member of the King's Regiment.

Simon

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