Royal Scots Fusiliers

[Swally]

Hi Guys,

My Great Uncle, James Allan Pte 43085 joined the Royal Scots Fusiliers around June / July 1916 having previously been with the Royal Scots 1/10th Clyclist Brigade, he went to France around July.

Would anyone know what Royal Scots Fusiliers went in July 1916?

Or if anyone can do a bit of research on James.

Ta,

Swally

[widavies]

Hi Guys,

My Great Uncle, James Allan Pte 43085 joined the Royal Scots Fusiliers around June / July 1916 having previously been with the Royal Scots 1/10th Clyclist Brigade, he went to France around July.

Would anyone know what Royal Scots Fusiliers went in July 1916?

Or if anyone can do a bit of research on James.

Ta,

Swally

Hi Swally,

Follow this link it may be of use:-

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=160768

Will

[GrahamC]

Hi Swally

James' Medal Index Card is available from the National Archive for £2 - see here - Ancestry don't show his Service papers as having survived. However, Ancestry does have a copy of his card which shows that he was initially Pt. 999 10/Royal Scots before transfer to Pt. 43085 R.S. Fusiliers.

He enlisted into the 10th on 14 March 1914, so was a serving soldier at the outbreak of the War. They were based at Linlithgow in August 1914, not under the command of a Brigade or defence area. They moved to coastal defence at Berwick until April 1918, then to Ireland. He was not eligible for either the 1914 or 1915 Star so did not serve overseas until after 1915.

It is probable, as you say, he transferred to the Fusiliers on the date you state and went to France in 1916. Without knowing his Bn. in the Fusiliers it is difficult to suggest where he might have been in action. His MIC give a date of discharge as 4 May 1918.

The reason for discharge is cited as "A.O.265/17, 2b 1" which I believe means he was still still of military age, but on account of disablement or ill-health.

To look up any more details requires a bit more information - age, place of birth, where he was living, etc. There are 214 "James Allans" listed on the 1911 Census! Plus loads more with a second christian name.

Graham

[PPCLI]

Hi Swally,

No RSF battalions proceeded overseas at this time. Your great uncle would have been in one of many reinforcement drafts sent over in July 1916 after the initial stages of the Battle of the Somme.

Referring you back to your previous threads on James Allan, you will note that in posts #3 of each thread (first and second) that I state that 1st RSF is the most likely battalion, but that this can only be confirmed by checking the medal rolls at Kew.

Cheers,

Stuart

[Swally]

Stuart / Graham & Will,

It has been some time since I last looked at the info I had on James and probably forgot what you posted.

Looks like I need someone to have a look at the Medal Roll then, it doesn't state what unit on his SWB.

Many thanks,

Swally

[PPCLI]

Swally,

Very few of the lowland Scottish regiments' SWB rolls state a battalion. Even when given, SWB rolls often show the reserve battalion from which discharged. It is likely that I will be at Kew early in the New Year (Jan/Feb), so can copy the relevant medal roll page for you.

Cheers,

Stuart

[Swally]

Stuart,

That would be fantastic mate if you could. That will hopefully fill in a few blanks on our James.

Ta,

Swally

[Guest filippa1190]

Hi Guys,

My Great Uncle, James Allan Pte 43085 joined the Royal Scots Fusiliers around June / July 1916 having previously been with the Royal Scots 1/10th Clyclist Brigade, he went to France around July.

Would anyone know what Royal Scots Fusiliers went in July 1916?

Or if anyone can do a bit of research on James.

Ta,

Swally

Hi Sally,

The man I am researching, Reginald Binns, was with the 2nd Btn Royal Scots Fusiliers. He died on 30th July 1916, at Guillemont after an attack was launched on the village.

The Royal Scots were instrumental in the events of that day, and it is possible James was present. If you would like any information, send me a message

Filippa

[PPCLI]

Swally,

Re my earlier posts in this thread - I have now, belatedly, visited Kew and looked at the medal roll for 43085 James Allan; it does indeed state 1st Royal Scots Fusiliers. Please send me a PM with your email address and I will forward you a hi-res copy of his entry.

Cheers,

Stuart

[8055Bell]

Hi Sally,

The man I am researching, Reginald Binns, was with the 2nd Btn Royal Scots Fusiliers. He died on 30th July 1916, at Guillemont after an attack was launched on the village.

The Royal Scots were instrumental in the events of that day, and it is possible James was present. If you would like any information, send me a message

Filippa

Hi Filippa,

Do you have a copy of the War Diary for 30th July?

I am surpised any of 2 RSF had the chance to write that day!

I'm following 17th Manchesters who followed 2 RSF towards Guillemont.

Tim