Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 2 March , 2016 Share Posted 2 March , 2016 Thanks LF &GB, Drive belts. I never knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 3 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 3 March , 2016 The drive- belts fitted to the motorcycle's rear wheel drive-wheel, could be either of solid construction or made up of individual links, in the attached photograph of a ' Triumph ' motorcycle, we can see an example of a linked drive-belt. LF This image is reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 3 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 3 March , 2016 Details of the linked drive-belt. LF This image is reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 3 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 3 March , 2016 Examples of linked motorcycle drive-belts. LF These images are reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 4 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 4 March , 2016 Whilst we see the overwhelming majority of Phelon & Moore ' P & M ' motorcycles being used by the RFC/RAF during WW1, P & M motorcycles were also used by the Royal Navy/Royal Naval Air Service and the Army. The attached photograph shows two RNAS Despatch Riders with their Phelon & Moore ' P & M ' motorcycles, and in the background are several ' Maudslay ' lorries, the drivers of which are wearing the fleece lined ' Driver's Coats ' with the toggle fastners. For those interested in the ' Maudslay ' lorry, here is the link back to information and photographs starting on page 118, post # 2949 on December 20, 2014. http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=173218&page=118 LF This image is reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 4 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 4 March , 2016 Two Army Despatch Riders, photographed on the Italian Front. The motorcycle in the centre is a Phelon & Moore ' P & M ' motorcycle, and the motorcycle on the right is a ' Douglas '. On the ' P & M ' motorcycle, note the O.H.M.S. ( On His Majesty's Service ) plate affixed to the handlebars, and also the headlight's Acetylene Generator has been moved from it's usual position on the handle bars to the side of the motorcycle, probably because of the positioning of the O.H.M.S. plate on the handlebars. LF IWM This image is reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 5 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 5 March , 2016 Again, illustrating the Phelon & Moore ' P & M ' motorcycle's use within the various Services, this photograph shows ' WRNS ' ( Women's Royal Naval Service formed in 1917 ) Despatch Riders with the Phelon & Moore ' P & M ' 498 cc motorcycles with sidecar combinations. Of note, are the early Wren's uniforms with the white topped hats. LF This image is reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 6 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 6 March , 2016 Following several successful years, Phelon & Moore opened new larger premises at Horncastle Mills in 1910, and the attached photograph shows those former Phelon & Moore premises as they are today. LF This image is reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 6 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 6 March , 2016 The next series of 3 photographs taken in 1915, give us a glimpse inside the Phelon & Moore factory at Horncastle Mills, and show different stages in the production of the ' P & M ' motorcycle during WW1. The first photograph, shows skilled P & M workers expertly ' truing ' the motorcycle wheels. With the wheels set in a spinning jig, the skilled workers rotate the wheel whilst keying the wheel's spokes to adjust their tension. Correctly adjusting the tension on each spoke, will ensure that the wheel's rim is in line, balanced and not ' out-of-true '. On the workroom floor are wheels, chain-guard casings and completed motorcycles. LF This image is reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 6 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 6 March , 2016 Phelon & Moore ' P & M ' motorcyles and motorcycles with sidecar combinations which have been completed, or are in the final stages of completion, being worked on at Horncastle Mills. Of note, the foot rests fitted to some of the motorcycles. LF This image is reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 6 March , 2016 Share Posted 6 March , 2016 The footrests would not be fitted to solo's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 6 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 6 March , 2016 The footrests would not be fitted to solo's. Johnboy, Correct, and as will be seen in the next photograph. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 6 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 6 March , 2016 The final photograph taken at Phelon & Moore's Horncastle Mills factory in 1915, shows a storeroom filled with completed ' P & M ' motorcycles and sidecars, and as johnboy pointed out, the solo motorcycles were not fitted with foot rests as were some of the motorcycles fitted with sidecars. Unfortunately, this photograph does not do justice to these ' P & M ' motorcycles, which must have made a superb sight, all lined up and in pristine factory fresh mint condition. Also of note, the completed motorcycles are already fitted with their number plates mounted atop the front mudguard. LF This image is reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyH Posted 7 March , 2016 Share Posted 7 March , 2016 Lancs, Currently reading 'Last Post' by Max Arthur. One of the veterans interviewed, was with the R.F.C. and 'went out as a despatch rider with the Army of Occupation in Germany, and upon his return to England 'bought the bike. I don't know what I paid for it, but it was not a bad bike - a P and M, about 250 cc'. Wonder if this was a common occurrence? Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modelmaker Posted 7 March , 2016 Share Posted 7 March , 2016 Models sent to Tank Museum. As per my earlier posting, I have finally found the papers I was looking for. Here is the list of the models "gifted" to the museum, 14 in all, covering most types used. All that is required now is to find out where they are !! George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 7 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 7 March , 2016 Currently reading 'Last Post' by Max Arthur. One of the veterans interviewed, was with the R.F.C. and 'went out as a despatch rider with the Army of Occupation in Germany, and upon his return to England 'bought the bike. I don't know what I paid for it, but it was not a bad bike - a P and M, about 250 cc'. Wonder if this was a common occurrence? Mike, After WW1, large stocks of ex-WD vehicles, which I presume included motorcycles, were auctioned off. However, from the photographs I have seen, most of the vehicles were in pretty poor condition. It may well have been, that those de-mobbed Despatch Riders who returned home with their motorcycles, were given the opportunity to buy their motorcycles from the WD. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 7 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 7 March , 2016 Models sent to Tank Museum. As per my earlier posting, I have finally found the papers I was looking for. Here is the list of the models "gifted" to the museum, 14 in all, covering most types used. George, That is quite a collection ! Hopefully, the museum will be able to track them down, and if so, we would be most interested in seeing some photographs. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 7 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 7 March , 2016 Whilst going through some additional Phelon & Moore photographs, I found another nice and very interesting coincidence relating to a motorcycle number plate. In post #4688, which shows completed P & M motorcycles fitted with their number plates and awaiting delivery, the motorcycle nearest on the left has an early Yorkshire number plate 40864C, and in the attached photograph of an RFC Despatch Rider shown on his Phelon & Moore ' P & M ' motorcycle with sidecar combination, that motorcycle again has an early Yorkshire number plate 40871C, which being within just 7 numbers of 40864C, was probably one of the very motorcycles shown in that photograph, awaiting delivery from Horncastle Mills. Also of interest, is the full kit being carried by this RFC Despatch Rider, which includes a revolver in an open topped holster on his belt. LF This image is reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 8 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 8 March , 2016 Despatch Riders were responsible for the routine maintenance of their own motorcycles, and in the following 2 photographs, we see a WRAF ( Women's Royal Air Force ) Despatch Rider removing and then cleaning the Spark Plug from her Phelon & Moore ' P & M ' 498 cc motorcycle with a sidecar combination. Of note, are the leather helmet she is wearing and the various tools she is using, including a spark plug removal tool. These photographs also give a good general view of the ' P & M ' motorcycle, including the P & M 's distinctive mudguard ' mud shield '. The motorcycle's number plate ' LM2426 ', is an early plate for the London North West area. The photograph's backdrop is a camouflaged concrete building, probably a hanger, and due to it's substantial construction, it may still be standing today, perhaps someone knows this location, could it be RAF Hendon ( N.W. London ) ? LF This image is reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 8 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 8 March , 2016 Having removed the spark plug from her Phelon & Moore 498cc ' P & M ' motorcycle, the WRAF Despatch Rider is seen cleaning the spark plug. LF IWM This image is reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 9 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 9 March , 2016 The attached Phelon & Moore ' P & M ' motorcycle specifications give us some very interesting information, which I shall re-type as the printed version may not be too easy to read :- Frame - Rigid Diamond type, inclined engine taking place of front member. Engine - 3.1/2 hp.single cylinder, variable tappets, deep cooling fins, Kick starter. Lubricant - Semi-automatic, with hand pump. Carburetter - AMAC., automatic, single lever control. Ignition - Fellows high tension magneto, variable timing control from handlebar. Gear - Hand operated two-speed. Transmission - By enclosed roller chains. Clutch - Hand controlled. Springing - Druid spring forks. Brakes - Foot operated large hand brake on rear wheel ; hand operated rim brake on front wheel. Wheels - 26 in x 2.1/2 in, with Palmer tyres. Tank - Capacity 1.1/2 gallons petrol ; 2 quarts oil. Equipment - Large domed mudguards, with valances ; aluminium foot-boards, pannier tool bags, tool kit, tyre inflator, number plates etc. Price - 125 pounds plus 10 per cent. Makers - Phelon & Moore, Ltd. LF This image is reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 10 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 10 March , 2016 A 1913 Phelon & Moore ' P & M ' motorcycle sidecar combination family outing, with the sidecar being of a particularly interesting and unusual woven wicker/cane construction. LF This image is reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 10 March , 2016 Share Posted 10 March , 2016 The health and safety police would have a field day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 10 March , 2016 Share Posted 10 March , 2016 A 1913 Phelon & Moore ' P & M ' motorcycle sidecar combination family outing, with the sidecar being of a particularly interesting and unusual woven wicker/cane construction. LF This image is reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. "Wicker" amongst others are still producing Heritage Wickerwork sidecars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 10 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 10 March , 2016 The health and safety police would have a field day. Oh for those kinder, quieter, gentler days in the green and pleasant land ! Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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