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Since I know my grandfather, 179240 David Paterson who served in the British Salonika Force was a Freemason, is it possible that there were military lodge meetings in that arena, and that there are minutes of such meetings?

He was with the R. H. A. & R. F. A.

If such records exist, how and where could I access them. I'm in New Zealand, and would appreciate any assistance.

Thank you.

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Hi,

I would try the Grand Lodge in London, but I dont have the address at the moment when i can get it off the ex i will post it unless someone can help you before hand.

wont be speaking to ex till mid of next week

Mandy

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Thanks, Ypres, for your reply. I look forward to your next message on this thread. I suppose I could also search for London website on Google and Yahoo!

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;) Thank you, Bembridge, I've sent an email there just minutes ago.

I'm hoping that I might also get some comments from regular members her, to see what information exists on the subject, as well as to find any detail on my grandfather.

David,

tartan87terror

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My cousin has her grandfather's "Masonic Passport", written in French and English, which served to identify him as a Mason serving the King while in France.

Mike Morrison

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Wow!Mike, I'm aFreemason myself, and I never knew that there was such a passport. Very interesting! Thank you.

BTW - as I'm new to this site - Can someone tell me when I can expect to receivemy "Lance-Corporal" stripe? I can't wait to have it sewn on!!!! :lol:

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Wow!Mike, I'm aFreemason myself,

Excuse me, sir: you don't happen to know anything about a man called 'Jack' who went about the Whitechapel area of London in the late nineteenth century, do you?

We may be slow, but we get there in the end.

Evenin' all, mind 'ow you go, etc.,

Richard

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Well, now, Richard, that just mightbe one of my 'secrets', mightn't it?

I do some genealogy, and it's amazing what you can turn up!

Thanks for the humour, always needed in this world these days.

Are you interested in Salonika as such, or do you,as I'minclined to do, read all new postings?

David (not really such a terror).

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Hey, Richard, reviewing what I just posted to you I realize that you, a Lieut- Colonel, are addressing me, a L-Corporal, as "sir".

Is this one of the benefits of Freemasonry, I have to wonder? ;)

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Hi David,

I posted a similar query regarding Masonic 'War Medals' the other day, so thought I'd check the link for any more news on the subject.

Given my avatar, I thought I was a cross between Albert the butler in Batman and Colonel Sanders ... and I address all such obvious potential customers of my miniature apron-pressing laundry as Sir! ;)

Cheers,

Richard

(Third Chapter, Page Two, Line Six)

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David,

The "passport" was a small book size (pocket size actually) and was issued by his Lodge (Rothesay St. John 292 - same one my grandfather joined when he returned from Salonika). I have a copy of it if you are interested in content, etc.

Mike

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Mike,

I have been reading this thread with some interest. Lodge No. 292, Rothesay St. John is also the Lodge that my Grandfather, 27217, Sgt, F.W. Newman joined after he came back from Russia 1919, and was posted to the Bute Mountain Battery, having previously served with 2 Mtn. Bat. and 7 Mtn. Bat, during the war. I too have the 'passport' type booklet issued to him on joining the Masons at that time. I also have the large certificate issued with it.

The only info. that the Lodge could provide me with was to confirm his address - 19 Castle Street, and that he was a serving soldier.

If you have any further info on the Lodge or the Bute Battery in the 1920's, I would appreciate it.

Thanks

Regards

Stewart

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Hi David,

I posted a similar query regarding Masonic 'War Medals' the other day, so thought I'd check the link for any more news on the subject.

Given my avatar, I thought I was a cross between Albert the butler in Batman and Colonel Sanders ... and I address all such obvious potential customers of my miniature apron-pressing laundry as Sir! ;)

Cheers,

Richard

(Third Chapter, Page Two, Line Six)

Richard, where did you post - so that I may follow it for any replies?

And what means the reference "Third Chapter, Page 2, Line 6"?

I suppose I'm asking to be pulled in on this one, but what the heck?

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David,

The "passport" was a small book size (pocket size actually) and was issued by his Lodge (Rothesay St. John 292 - same one my grandfather joined when he returned from Salonika). I have a copy of it if you are interested in content, etc.

Mike

Mike, Yes, please, if possible.

I'm interested in all details I can get re Salonika, and the Freemasonry stuff applies there also.

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Suggest you first try the following:-

info@freemasonarytoday.cBembriddge

For those who arefollowing this topic, here is the reply I received from that email address:

Thank you for your enquiry.

Unfortunately I am unable to answer your query as Freemasonry Today is an independent magazine and not a Masonic resource centre. I suggest you contact one of our links pages on our web site at www.freemasonrytoday.com

or

The United Grand Lodge of England

Freemasons Hall

Great Queen Street

London

WC2B 5AZ

Telephone: 0207-831-9811

The Library & Museum of Freemasonry at

Freemasons Hall - 0207-395-9251 also operate a specialist search service for which they do charge.

Best wishes

Richenda Wistow

Administrator

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Hi Mike

Here's the link:

http://1914-1918.org/forum/index.php?showt...=16895&hl=mason

I'll keep you informed regarding the Masonic medals if I hear anything.

(No significance to the book reference - similar to weak joke in The Flintstones about the Buffaloes, or some such programme.)

Cheers

Richard

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I'll give this a try.

Stewart - what a small world. Your grandfather must have known mine as my grandfather was a Bute Mountain Battery Soldier from Trumpeter to Lieutenant. Several of the members of the Bute (Mountain) Battery (who were also members of the Argyll (Mountain) Battery for much of the war) joined the Masons together after the war. Lodge 292 is still up and running. I was given a visit on a prior trip to Rothesay. I'm studying that unit and it's parent unit 4th Highland (Mountain) Brigade now.

Mike

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And the French version on the facing page.

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Richard and CsmMo, thankyou very much for your input.

I know that Rothesay is on the Isle of Bute in Scotland, and I see that the Lodge No. 292 is on the roll of Grand Lodge of Scotland, but the word "mountain" sort of throws me. Is Lodge 292 in Scotland, or perhaps, as I'm guessing, in Canada or the U. S. of A.?

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Have a look at www.thefreemason.com/default.asp for a mention of No. 292 Lodge.

Also, here is an extract from another site:

Name: McFie, David mmm,pz,mm.ieM

Lodge: lodge Rothesay St.John 292 SC

Valley:

Location: Rothesay, Isle of Bute, Scotl

Email: david.irma@bushinternet.com

Add: new

Date: 05/04/01

Perhaps an email to David will help?

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Re: "Mountain" in Bute "Mountain" Battery. When the Territorial Force was devised it was primarily a home defense outfit. When they created the 51st Highland Division, within the 51st Division Artillery they created the 4th Highland (Mountain) Brigade . I've been told that the Mountain Brigade (which was RGA) was an aberration from regular division artillery organization due to the mountainous terrain of the Highlands. The three batteries, I've been told (Argyll, Bute and Ross & Cromarty) were chosen as the result of competitions won before 1908 and they were the only Mountain Batteries/Brigade in the Territorial Force.

Strangely enough, because the use of Mountain Batteries in 1914 had not worked in France, the 4th Highland (Mountain) Brigade (minus the Ammunition Column) separated from the 51st Division in 1915 and the Argyll and Ross Batteries, bolstered by men and officers from the Bute Battery which was left behind to train the next Mountain Brigade, sailed for Egypt where they were deployed on the first day of and throughout the battles in Gallipoli as part of the 29th Division Artillery. The Brigade and the Bute Battery joined up in Salonika where they became a Salonika Army asset and plied the hills of Greece until the Armistice. The Ammunition Column stayed with the 51st in France so I have a great granduncle who served in France and a grandfather who served in Salonika, both from the same Territorial Battery!

Just a note: The fault line that separates the Highlands from the Lowlands geographically runs through The Isle of Bute - right through Loch Fad. That makes Bute part Highlands and part Lowlands.

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