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Captain Philip James Green


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Guys ime looking for info on Philip James Green, we have 2 photos of him,1 as a sergeant and 1 as a captain. The info I have on him is Born 1876 Stourbridge Worcestershire, his parents were William Charles Spencer Green and Ellen Eliza Sallis. We also know that he married in 1918 in India to Francis Eleanor Beatty. Both pics are apparently taken in India. Any info on his military career,regiment and places he served would be great.

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Can you scan the sergeant's stripes closer? The emblem above may be a clue. If it is a gun badge he will have served in the Royal Artillery.

Can't see a medal index card yet.

D

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Can you scan the sergeant's stripes closer? The emblem above may be a clue. If it is a gun badge he will have served in the Royal Artillery.

Can't see a medal index card yet.

D

I cant get the emblem any clearer even on a close up scan, member ss has found an entry in the London gazette for him and he is Royal regiment of artillery. If hes RRA why would he have fusiliers collar badges, we also think his service started way before ww1.

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1911 census

GREEN, Philip James

No 12 Ammunition Column R F A, JHANSI, INDIA

Military details: Sergeant 12th Ammunition Column R F A

born Stourbridge 1876

single

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This is the "P Green" section of the WO338 Index.

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There is only one P J Green listed - in the Artillery. The artillery used the grenade as an emblem for long periods including the Boer War and First World War.

This equates to this file which has been handily fully indexed by name:

WO 339/2482 Lieutenant Philip James GREEN. Royal Field Artillery. 1898-1921; 1951

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=1584804&CATLN=6&Highlight=%2CPHILIP%2CGREEN&accessmethod=0

The 1951 uusally denotes the year in which the file was last updated, often with the man's death certificate. The other dates will be the dates that the file was opened (usually upon enlistment) and closed.

He seems to have been artillery all the way through - in other words this leopard didn't change his spots.... ahem :D

Steve.

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His death appears to be 1954

Name: Philip J Green

Birth Date: abt 1876

Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1954

Age at Death: 78

Registration district: Stratford-Upon-Avon

Inferred County: Warwickshire

Volume: 9c

Page: 1113

And an Ancestry tree confirms this

Born: 9 Feb 1876

Married: 15 Jul 1918 to Frances Eleanor 'Nell' Beatty at Mahow, India

Died: 21 Feb 1954 in Stratford upon Avon Hospital

If he was in India the whole war, what medals would he have had?

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ROYAL REGIMENT OF ARTILLERY.

Capt. P. J. Green having attained the age limit of liability to recall, ceases to belong

to the Res. of Off. 10th Feb. 1926.

Lt. P. J. Green, h.p. list, having reached the age fixed for compulsory retirement, is placed on ret. pay, 10th Feb. 1921, and is granted the rank of Capt. (I am unclear if this is him)

The undermentioned 2nd Lts. to be actg.Capts. : —2nd Lt. P. J. Green. 1st Feb. 1917.

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There are three "possibles" in the Boer War Medal Rolls:

- 26352 Corporal P Green, 81st Battery, R.F.A., attached 3rd Local Ammunition Column (Queen's South Africa and clasp for OFS; King's South Africa and clasps for 1901 & 1902). He is shown as being transferred to Reserve on 14-10-1905 as a Sergeant. A roll for the 3rd Local Ammunition Column shows this man's name as Percy, and adds the Belfast Clasp to his QSA Medal.

- 74390 Driver P Green, 19th Battery, R.F.A. (Queen's South Africa and clasp for OFS; King's South Africa and clasps for 1901 & 1902). He is shown as being sent to England for discharge on 9-6-1902 and transferred to Reserve on 14-10-1905 as a Driver.

- 26903 Corporal P J Green, 7th Battery, R.F.A. (Queen's South Africa and clasps for Tugela Heights, Relief of Ladysmith, Laing's Nek, Cape Colony, and Orange Free State; King's South Africa and clasps for 1901 & 1902). There is no note of his discharge.

The latter man seems most likely since we know from the 1911 Census that Philip James Green continued to serve in the Army after the Boer War.

The first man has the right ranks but the wrong name (Percy) and was discharged; the second was discharged and was a Driver (Private).

26903 has a partial medal card under "P J Green", but it has the wrong Commission date on it, which is a fly in the ointment...

Steve.

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Corisande,

He should have had the single BWM medal I believe.

Retirement notices in the Gazette are often dated on the man's birthday, so this does seem to be him, though the date is one day out...

Steve.

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This is the "P Green" section of the WO338 Index.

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There is only one P J Green listed - in the Artillery. The artillery used the grenade as an emblem for long periods including the Boer War and First World War.

This equates to this file which has been handily fully indexed by name:

WO 339/2482 Lieutenant Philip James GREEN. Royal Field Artillery. 1898-1921; 1951

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=1584804&CATLN=6&Highlight=%2CPHILIP%2CGREEN&accessmethod=0

The 1951 uusally denotes the year in which the file was last updated, often with the man's death certificate. The other dates will be the dates that the file was opened (usually upon enlistment) and closed.

He seems to have been artillery all the way through - in other words this leopard didn't change his spots.... ahem :D

Steve.

cheers mate,ive ordered an estimate on cost for his file from NA

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1911 census

GREEN, Philip James

No 12 Ammunition Column R F A, JHANSI, INDIA

Military details: Sergeant 12th Ammunition Column R F A

born Stourbridge 1876

single

This is our man I think and the date and place of death youve found is correct, after the Boar war he went to India,what I find strange is that he stayed there during WW1,why would that be

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He should have had the single BWM medal I believe.

Thanks, I knew there was an "odd" entitlement for men who had served only in India, in other words they only got 1 medal rather than the pair.

The only thing we are really missing from the online accessible records is his commission, which is down to LG OCR or the fact that it was in India

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1911 census

GREEN, Philip James

No 12 Ammunition Column R F A, JHANSI, INDIA

Military details: Sergeant 12th Ammunition Column R F A

born Stourbridge 1876

single

I see you found him on the 1911 census, I cant find him on 1901 or 1911

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1911 census look in "overseas military" on FindMyPast

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On the 1901 Census, he is almost certainly in South Africa - his medal ribbon shows what seems to be the Queen's South Africa and King's Sout Africa Medals. To get the latter you had to have the former with service in South Africa no commencing no later than 1900. The 26903 man has battle clasps pre-dating 1901 by some time.

Although there were probably censuses done of the Armed forces overseas at that time, they are not available to us.

Steve.

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Captain Philip James Green, RA

Born on 10 Feb 76

In ranks 16 years and 324 days

QSA with five clasps: Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Tugela Heights, Relief of Ladysmith, and Laing's Nek; KSA with usual two clasps.

Warrant Officer, Class 2 for 110 days

2nd Lieut, RFA 18 May 1915

Acting Captain, 1 Feb 17

Lieut, RFA, 1 Jul 17

He does not appear to have gone overseas during the Great War.

Regards, Dick Flory

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Captain Philip James Green, RA

Born on 10 Feb 76

In ranks 16 years and 324 days

QSA with five clasps: Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Tugela Heights, Relief of Ladysmith, and Laing's Nek; KSA with usual two clasps.

Warrant Officer, Class 2 for 110 days

2nd Lieut, RFA 18 May 1915

Acting Captain, 1 Feb 17

Lieut, RFA, 1 Jul 17

He does not appear to have gone overseas during the Great War.

Regards, Dick Flory

Cheers Dick,where did you get this info from.What dates was he in South Africa

1911 census look in "overseas military" on FindMyPast

I dont have subscription to FMP, I use Ancestry

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The dates of his arrival in South Africa would have been early on in the campaign probably in October 1899 when most of the units that were not there already arrived in South Africa. Assuming he was the P J Green, No. 26903, and since he has the Tugela Heights clasp, it probably means that he was at Colenso when the guns were saved and Captain Reed of the 7th battery earnt the V.C.

See:

http://www.angloboerwar.com/imperial-units/591-royal-field-artillery-7th-battery

The Times of 7-9-1899 notes that the 7th battery RFA was in England at the time and on 12-9-1899 went from Aldershot by special train to Okehampton were they practiced with new equipment. By early December 1899 they were noted as being at Natal.

Steve.

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The dates of his arrival in South Africa would have been early on in the campaign probably in October 1899 when most of the units that were not there already arrived in South Africa. Assuming he was the P J Green, No. 26903, and since he has the Tugela Heights clasp, it probably means that he was at Colenso when the guns were saved and Captain Reed of the 7th battery earnt the V.C.

See:

http://www.angloboerwar.com/imperial-units/591-royal-field-artillery-7th-battery

The Times of 7-9-1899 notes that the 7th battery RFA was in England at the time and on 12-9-1899 went from Aldershot by special train to Okehampton were they practiced with new equipment. By early December 1899 they were noted as being at Natal.

Steve.

Thnx

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This is the "P Green" section of the WO338 Index.

post-6536-0-18578000-1320581133.jpg

There is only one P J Green listed - in the Artillery. The artillery used the grenade as an emblem for long periods including the Boer War and First World War.

This equates to this file which has been handily fully indexed by name:

WO 339/2482 Lieutenant Philip James GREEN. Royal Field Artillery. 1898-1921; 1951

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=1584804&CATLN=6&Highlight=%2CPHILIP%2CGREEN&accessmethod=0

The 1951 uusally denotes the year in which the file was last updated, often with the man's death certificate. The other dates will be the dates that the file was opened (usually upon enlistment) and closed.

He seems to have been artillery all the way through - in other words this leopard didn't change his spots.... ahem :D

Steve.

Well the NA has quoted me £187.80 for a digital upload of his file, thats a bit steep ime thinking,would be fine if I wanted hard copies.
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