madgarry Posted 5 November , 2011 Share Posted 5 November , 2011 Guys ime looking for info on Philip James Green, we have 2 photos of him,1 as a sergeant and 1 as a captain. The info I have on him is Born 1876 Stourbridge Worcestershire, his parents were William Charles Spencer Green and Ellen Eliza Sallis. We also know that he married in 1918 in India to Francis Eleanor Beatty. Both pics are apparently taken in India. Any info on his military career,regiment and places he served would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 5 November , 2011 Share Posted 5 November , 2011 Any idea of any of the units he may have served in ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgarry Posted 6 November , 2011 Author Share Posted 6 November , 2011 Any idea of any of the units he may have served in ? No idea at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgarry Posted 6 November , 2011 Author Share Posted 6 November , 2011 Any idea of any of the units he may have served in ? Just had another look at the pics, is the collar badge Fusiliers of some sort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggers Posted 6 November , 2011 Share Posted 6 November , 2011 Can you scan the sergeant's stripes closer? The emblem above may be a clue. If it is a gun badge he will have served in the Royal Artillery. Can't see a medal index card yet. D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 6 November , 2011 Share Posted 6 November , 2011 I have a feeling that this may be him http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/30347/supplements/10873 London Gazette 23 Oct 1917 Royal Regiment of Artillery The undermentioned 2nd Lts. to be actg.Capts. : — 2nd Lt. P. J. Green. 1st Feb. 1917. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgarry Posted 6 November , 2011 Author Share Posted 6 November , 2011 I have a feeling that this may be him http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/30347/supplements/10873 I recon thats him, ide say the pic as a sergeant is way before ww1, 2nd Boar war maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgarry Posted 6 November , 2011 Author Share Posted 6 November , 2011 Can you scan the sergeant's stripes closer? The emblem above may be a clue. If it is a gun badge he will have served in the Royal Artillery. Can't see a medal index card yet. D I cant get the emblem any clearer even on a close up scan, member ss has found an entry in the London gazette for him and he is Royal regiment of artillery. If hes RRA why would he have fusiliers collar badges, we also think his service started way before ww1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 6 November , 2011 Share Posted 6 November , 2011 1911 census GREEN, Philip James No 12 Ammunition Column R F A, JHANSI, INDIA Military details: Sergeant 12th Ammunition Column R F A born Stourbridge 1876 single Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 6 November , 2011 Share Posted 6 November , 2011 This is the "P Green" section of the WO338 Index. There is only one P J Green listed - in the Artillery. The artillery used the grenade as an emblem for long periods including the Boer War and First World War. This equates to this file which has been handily fully indexed by name: WO 339/2482 Lieutenant Philip James GREEN. Royal Field Artillery. 1898-1921; 1951 http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=1584804&CATLN=6&Highlight=%2CPHILIP%2CGREEN&accessmethod=0 The 1951 uusally denotes the year in which the file was last updated, often with the man's death certificate. The other dates will be the dates that the file was opened (usually upon enlistment) and closed. He seems to have been artillery all the way through - in other words this leopard didn't change his spots.... ahem Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 6 November , 2011 Share Posted 6 November , 2011 His death appears to be 1954 Name: Philip J Green Birth Date: abt 1876 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1954 Age at Death: 78 Registration district: Stratford-Upon-Avon Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 9c Page: 1113 And an Ancestry tree confirms this Born: 9 Feb 1876 Married: 15 Jul 1918 to Frances Eleanor 'Nell' Beatty at Mahow, India Died: 21 Feb 1954 in Stratford upon Avon Hospital If he was in India the whole war, what medals would he have had? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 6 November , 2011 Share Posted 6 November , 2011 ROYAL REGIMENT OF ARTILLERY. Capt. P. J. Green having attained the age limit of liability to recall, ceases to belong to the Res. of Off. 10th Feb. 1926. Lt. P. J. Green, h.p. list, having reached the age fixed for compulsory retirement, is placed on ret. pay, 10th Feb. 1921, and is granted the rank of Capt. (I am unclear if this is him) The undermentioned 2nd Lts. to be actg.Capts. : —2nd Lt. P. J. Green. 1st Feb. 1917. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 6 November , 2011 Share Posted 6 November , 2011 There are three "possibles" in the Boer War Medal Rolls: - 26352 Corporal P Green, 81st Battery, R.F.A., attached 3rd Local Ammunition Column (Queen's South Africa and clasp for OFS; King's South Africa and clasps for 1901 & 1902). He is shown as being transferred to Reserve on 14-10-1905 as a Sergeant. A roll for the 3rd Local Ammunition Column shows this man's name as Percy, and adds the Belfast Clasp to his QSA Medal. - 74390 Driver P Green, 19th Battery, R.F.A. (Queen's South Africa and clasp for OFS; King's South Africa and clasps for 1901 & 1902). He is shown as being sent to England for discharge on 9-6-1902 and transferred to Reserve on 14-10-1905 as a Driver. - 26903 Corporal P J Green, 7th Battery, R.F.A. (Queen's South Africa and clasps for Tugela Heights, Relief of Ladysmith, Laing's Nek, Cape Colony, and Orange Free State; King's South Africa and clasps for 1901 & 1902). There is no note of his discharge. The latter man seems most likely since we know from the 1911 Census that Philip James Green continued to serve in the Army after the Boer War. The first man has the right ranks but the wrong name (Percy) and was discharged; the second was discharged and was a Driver (Private). 26903 has a partial medal card under "P J Green", but it has the wrong Commission date on it, which is a fly in the ointment... Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 6 November , 2011 Share Posted 6 November , 2011 Corisande, He should have had the single BWM medal I believe. Retirement notices in the Gazette are often dated on the man's birthday, so this does seem to be him, though the date is one day out... Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgarry Posted 6 November , 2011 Author Share Posted 6 November , 2011 This is the "P Green" section of the WO338 Index. There is only one P J Green listed - in the Artillery. The artillery used the grenade as an emblem for long periods including the Boer War and First World War. This equates to this file which has been handily fully indexed by name: WO 339/2482 Lieutenant Philip James GREEN. Royal Field Artillery. 1898-1921; 1951 http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=1584804&CATLN=6&Highlight=%2CPHILIP%2CGREEN&accessmethod=0 The 1951 uusally denotes the year in which the file was last updated, often with the man's death certificate. The other dates will be the dates that the file was opened (usually upon enlistment) and closed. He seems to have been artillery all the way through - in other words this leopard didn't change his spots.... ahem Steve. cheers mate,ive ordered an estimate on cost for his file from NA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgarry Posted 6 November , 2011 Author Share Posted 6 November , 2011 1911 census GREEN, Philip James No 12 Ammunition Column R F A, JHANSI, INDIA Military details: Sergeant 12th Ammunition Column R F A born Stourbridge 1876 single This is our man I think and the date and place of death youve found is correct, after the Boar war he went to India,what I find strange is that he stayed there during WW1,why would that be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 6 November , 2011 Share Posted 6 November , 2011 He should have had the single BWM medal I believe. Thanks, I knew there was an "odd" entitlement for men who had served only in India, in other words they only got 1 medal rather than the pair. The only thing we are really missing from the online accessible records is his commission, which is down to LG OCR or the fact that it was in India Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgarry Posted 6 November , 2011 Author Share Posted 6 November , 2011 1911 census GREEN, Philip James No 12 Ammunition Column R F A, JHANSI, INDIA Military details: Sergeant 12th Ammunition Column R F A born Stourbridge 1876 single I see you found him on the 1911 census, I cant find him on 1901 or 1911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 6 November , 2011 Share Posted 6 November , 2011 1911 census look in "overseas military" on FindMyPast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 6 November , 2011 Share Posted 6 November , 2011 On the 1901 Census, he is almost certainly in South Africa - his medal ribbon shows what seems to be the Queen's South Africa and King's Sout Africa Medals. To get the latter you had to have the former with service in South Africa no commencing no later than 1900. The 26903 man has battle clasps pre-dating 1901 by some time. Although there were probably censuses done of the Armed forces overseas at that time, they are not available to us. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rflory Posted 6 November , 2011 Share Posted 6 November , 2011 Captain Philip James Green, RA Born on 10 Feb 76 In ranks 16 years and 324 days QSA with five clasps: Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Tugela Heights, Relief of Ladysmith, and Laing's Nek; KSA with usual two clasps. Warrant Officer, Class 2 for 110 days 2nd Lieut, RFA 18 May 1915 Acting Captain, 1 Feb 17 Lieut, RFA, 1 Jul 17 He does not appear to have gone overseas during the Great War. Regards, Dick Flory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgarry Posted 6 November , 2011 Author Share Posted 6 November , 2011 Captain Philip James Green, RA Born on 10 Feb 76 In ranks 16 years and 324 days QSA with five clasps: Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Tugela Heights, Relief of Ladysmith, and Laing's Nek; KSA with usual two clasps. Warrant Officer, Class 2 for 110 days 2nd Lieut, RFA 18 May 1915 Acting Captain, 1 Feb 17 Lieut, RFA, 1 Jul 17 He does not appear to have gone overseas during the Great War. Regards, Dick Flory Cheers Dick,where did you get this info from.What dates was he in South Africa 1911 census look in "overseas military" on FindMyPast I dont have subscription to FMP, I use Ancestry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 6 November , 2011 Share Posted 6 November , 2011 The dates of his arrival in South Africa would have been early on in the campaign probably in October 1899 when most of the units that were not there already arrived in South Africa. Assuming he was the P J Green, No. 26903, and since he has the Tugela Heights clasp, it probably means that he was at Colenso when the guns were saved and Captain Reed of the 7th battery earnt the V.C. See: http://www.angloboerwar.com/imperial-units/591-royal-field-artillery-7th-battery The Times of 7-9-1899 notes that the 7th battery RFA was in England at the time and on 12-9-1899 went from Aldershot by special train to Okehampton were they practiced with new equipment. By early December 1899 they were noted as being at Natal. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgarry Posted 6 November , 2011 Author Share Posted 6 November , 2011 The dates of his arrival in South Africa would have been early on in the campaign probably in October 1899 when most of the units that were not there already arrived in South Africa. Assuming he was the P J Green, No. 26903, and since he has the Tugela Heights clasp, it probably means that he was at Colenso when the guns were saved and Captain Reed of the 7th battery earnt the V.C. See: http://www.angloboerwar.com/imperial-units/591-royal-field-artillery-7th-battery The Times of 7-9-1899 notes that the 7th battery RFA was in England at the time and on 12-9-1899 went from Aldershot by special train to Okehampton were they practiced with new equipment. By early December 1899 they were noted as being at Natal. Steve. Thnx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgarry Posted 7 November , 2011 Author Share Posted 7 November , 2011 This is the "P Green" section of the WO338 Index. There is only one P J Green listed - in the Artillery. The artillery used the grenade as an emblem for long periods including the Boer War and First World War. This equates to this file which has been handily fully indexed by name: WO 339/2482 Lieutenant Philip James GREEN. Royal Field Artillery. 1898-1921; 1951 http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=1584804&CATLN=6&Highlight=%2CPHILIP%2CGREEN&accessmethod=0 The 1951 uusally denotes the year in which the file was last updated, often with the man's death certificate. The other dates will be the dates that the file was opened (usually upon enlistment) and closed. He seems to have been artillery all the way through - in other words this leopard didn't change his spots.... ahem Steve. Well the NA has quoted me £187.80 for a digital upload of his file, thats a bit steep ime thinking,would be fine if I wanted hard copies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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