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Remembered Today:

This is one of the most moving poems i have ever read


Tim Wright

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don't want to become known as a pushy-sod :D)

Why break the habit of a lifetime? :thumbsup:

As for my ghost story, I prefer the bit about drinking, gambling, mauling and mamzelles who give their all - personal taste's a funny thing, init!

Absolutely agree chum - reactions to art forms are entirely subjective and opinions don't have to be underpinned by the evidential references which would be looked for in support of our conclusions on historical events elsewhere on the forum. It can be interesting, though, to hear why we think something does or doesn't work or appeal to us in poetry or other art forms.

By the way - I'm not surprised that things go bump in the night in the establishment where your ghostly soldier is holed up, given the references to the line of business carried on there! :lol:

George

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By the way - I'm not surprised that things go bump in the night in the establishment where your ghostly soldier is holed up, given the references to the line of business carried on there! :lol:

George

Perhaps we should ask PJA if he thinks Haig would have approved or not? :whistle:

Cheers- never been kissed salesie.

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Talking of voices beyond the grave, I thought that I should bring to the attention of the Forum this posthumous piece by William McGonagall, a former near neighbour of GAC.

Jack

The Storming of the Ridge

'Twas about the late summer of 1914

When all the war poets embarked for France I ween

And amongst them I am not afraid to say

Was Salesie, not one ever to be lost for a lay.

And with them went Mr George Armstrong Custer

Never a man to miss out on a muster

And a chance to collect a complete anthology

Of Forum poems without any apology.

From Mons to the Aisne then at Ypres they fought

Writing endless screeds of poetry they bought

Themselves the right for to strike the Germans a blow

And teach them they were a formidable foe

They had their chance then in 1915

In a battle, the fiercest that ever was seen

When the poets were summoned to capture a ridge

Having first crossed under shell fire a bridge.

But under the bridge lay Mr George Armstrong Custer

Watching the battle unfold without any fluster

Till he cried, 'This shelling's getting heavy the noo -

I think I'll stay where I am and admire the view'.

Meanwhile, on the far bank Salesie, poet and tragedian

Appointed by the Forum to be the high heid yin

Quoth, 'Stay awhile and admire the battle's extravaganza

Take cover, have a fag, while I write another stanza'.

While the poets all dallied, advanced the gallant Forty Twa

Led by their pipers, whose pipes they did blaw

Till the Germans all shouted in deepest dismay

'Is there no chance of driving those noisy ******* away?'

'None at all', said the poets, 'in fact what is worse

If you think they are bad, wait till we recite our verse!'

Which made all the Germans their hearts for to quail

Knowing that it would make their defence fail.

Advancing with iambic and trochaic tetrameter

They quickly closed up on the Germans' perimeter

Then, down in a shell-hole, their hearts all a-glow

They said, 'From this range we'll fill them all full of woe'.

Spotting their chance did the poets then declaim

Wild tales of battle and great martial fame

Till the Germans shook in fear and howled at the moon

Ach mein Gott! The next time it will be Darkie the Coon.

So the whole position emptied down to the last machine gunner

Who was the last one to set about doing a runner

Which was lucky for him, for the poets of the Forum

Were about to recite one intended really to bore 'em.

But with trenches abandoned, they soon won the day

A triumph for poetry I am really glad to say

As was Mr Custer, safely under his bridge

Who shouted, 'Thanks to Salesie, I can head for the ridge'.

So without more ado I can conclude my lay

And give thanks to the versifiers without more delay

For their work won the war, now in our beds we can sleep

And pray that the poets o'er us for ever their watch they will keep.

Wm. McGonagall (To be opened in the event of my death)

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Top class Jack! A well researched, historically accurate and deeply meaningful piece.

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Well it certainly moved me, the tears are still streaming down my face - as those nearby wonder what's so funny......

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Reminds me of this one - author Anonymous:

As Private Thompson used to say,

He couldn't stand the War;

He cursed about it every day

And every night he swore;

And, while a sense of discipline

Carried him through thick and thin,

The mud, the shells, the cold, the din

Annoyed him more and more.

The words with which we others cursed

Seemed mild and harmless quips

Compsared to those remarks which burst

From Private Thompson's lips;

Haven't you ever heard about

The Prussian Guard at X Redoubt,

How Thompson's language laid them out

Before we came to grips?

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Talking of voices beyond the grave, I thought that I should bring to the attention of the Forum this posthumous piece by William McGonagall, a former near neighbour of GAC.

Yes, yes, this is all very well but I feel we should have a better understanding of this incident if only someone could research the action using material from the German archives.

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I am sure I have seen an account of this in a book entitled: "The German Army at....."

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Talking of voices beyond the grave, I thought that I should bring to the attention of the Forum this posthumous piece by William McGonagall, a former near neighbour of GAC.

Jack

Wm. McGonagall (To be opened in the event of my death)

Priceless, Jack, absolutely bloody priceless!

Cheers-an aching-sided salesie.

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I am sure I have seen an account of this in a book entitled: "The German Army at....."

Tony, the book you're thinking of is "The German Army at.....Poets' Corner"

Cheers-salesie.

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I was going to answer that with a stony silence.......But I'm sure I'll have hit on something to call you when I see you! :thumbsup:

George

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I think it would be grossly unfair to let the poem unearthed by Mr Sheldon pass by, gathering plaudits like nuts in May, without subjecting it to the same critical examination as we have given Mr Edwards' effort. On the face of it, it would appear that Mr McGonagall has handled his material with his customary aplomb: the rhyme scheme, scansion and verse form are, as usual, impeccable. However, closer forensic examination reveals serious flaws. He writes iambic heptathlons which is, I admit, elegant, acrobatic and to the point -BUT, given his Scotch accent, it surely behooves him to employ doric octaves. These require finer handling, of course, but should not have given a poet of Mr McGonagall's standing cause for concern. The alcoholic content of the poem is weak while subordinate adverbial clauses tend to expire just before their algorhythmic climax engendering a type of aposiopesis which one finds distressing. Not one of Mr McGonagall's finer efforts then, though utterly devoid of mawk and ockers, so retaining some redeeming traits. Strangely, casualty figures, like guillemots, are remarkable by their absence - surely a lapse? The underlying sub-rhythm I find is variable and subject to chromatic inversion - this obviously raises the overall pulse which may be described as febrile and counter to the uninhibited and flagrant bathos of the subject matter.

Now, to the point - was I moved? I was, Dear Reader, to my very bowels.

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Hmm. You will have to be bo(u)lder than that! :w00t:

Dear oh dear. Surely this is not from the same pen from which flowed that virtuoso McGonagallese? From fabulous flights of poetic fancy to rock bottom in three posts - this is more Icarus than Sisyphus! :unsure:

George

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Laugh? I nearly did.

It' strange how you know a pome is going to be a total crock when it starts with the word TWAS. Its like a smoke alarm going off when the chips are overdone. Jack I am ashamed of you being trapped by Sellasie and Geo.

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Jack I am ashamed of you being trapped by Sellasie and Geo.

David, my occasional landlord, you're not claiming that Sisyphus was trapped between a rock and a hard place, are you?

George

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Just call me Sysiphus :D

Jack

Oh dear, Jack, this must mean you've visited the very same Estaminet that my Ghostly private haunts - but I'm sure the MO will sort your rock's problem out!

Cheers-sympathetic salesie.

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George

I consider myself well and truly reprimanded :huh:

Ian.

All your points are well made and, in defence of the great man from the banks of the silvery Tay, I should only like to highlight the fact that you cannot expect work of the quality of:

The Wreck of the Barque 'Lynton' while bound for Aspinwall, having on board 1,000 tons of Coal

more than once in a lifetime. I hope that posterity will look kindly on this, his final poetical offering. :rolleyes:

Jack

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