Corporal Chris Posted 19 October , 2011 Share Posted 19 October , 2011 I am researching 63628 Private Charles Amos Moyes 6th The Queens (Royal West Surrey) KIA 23/8/18 Are there any Queens experts out there who could help me pin down when he enlisted.?. His MIC suggests he went to France after 1/1/16. Regards, Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonmate Posted 19 October , 2011 Share Posted 19 October , 2011 Chris If you get no other leads there is a way of reducing the date down to his likely enlistment. It involves a sight of one of the Silver War Badge ledgers at Kew,where you will come across sheets of QRWS soldiers who have been discharged to illness/wounds/time served. One at random is WO329/3040,it contains pages for various Regiments administered from Hounslow,prefix code letter E,one of which was the QRWS. I have carried out this search,with other Regiments, a few times now and have narrowed it down to the likely day by tracking numbers either side of the one I am searching on. Your soldier,of course,wouldn't need to have been entitled to the SWB for this to work. Sotonmate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Underdown Posted 20 October , 2011 Share Posted 20 October , 2011 The Surrey Recruitment Registers (available on FindMyPast, or as a CD from Surrey History Trust) may give you a precise date, though the records for the Queen's are more fragmentary than those of the East Surreys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal Chris Posted 20 October , 2011 Author Share Posted 20 October , 2011 The Surrey Recruitment Registers (available on FindMyPast, or as a CD from Surrey History Trust) may give you a precise date, though the records for the Queen's are more fragmentary than those of the East Surreys David, Thanks for your input. Surrey History Trust searched for me with no joy. Regards, Chris. Chris If you get no other leads there is a way of reducing the date down to his likely enlistment. It involves a sight of one of the Silver War Badge ledgers at Kew,where you will come across sheets of QRWS soldiers who have been discharged to illness/wounds/time served. One at random is WO329/3040,it contains pages for various Regiments administered from Hounslow,prefix code letter E,one of which was the QRWS. I have carried out this search,with other Regiments, a few times now and have narrowed it down to the likely day by tracking numbers either side of the one I am searching on. Your soldier,of course,wouldn't need to have been entitled to the SWB for this to work. Sotonmate Many thanks. One to add to the list for a trip to Kew one day. Regards, CXhris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelPack Posted 20 October , 2011 Share Posted 20 October , 2011 Chris You are highly unlikely to be able to deduce an enlistment date from the service number. The 636** number sequence is clearly one of those used for IBD re-badging. If you check the fatalities in that number sequence on the SDGW you will see that the men were distributed across the various Queen's Battalions with the earliest casualty occurring in March 1918. It is possible to establish the date of arrival in F&F by reference to any surviving service papers of men in the 636** sequence but beyond that everything turns on whether your man was a transferee from a TRB or a 'comb out' from another corps/unit with no previous overseas service. Mel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal Chris Posted 20 October , 2011 Author Share Posted 20 October , 2011 Chris You are highly unlikely to be able to deduce an enlistment date from the service number. The 636** number sequence is clearly one of those used for IBD re-badging. If you check the fatalities in that number sequence on the SDGW you will see that the men were distributed across the various Queen's Battalions with the earliest casualty occurring in March 1918. It is possible to establish the date of arrival in F&F by reference to any surviving service papers of men in the 636** sequence but beyond that everything turns on whether your man was a transferee from a TRB or a 'comb out' from another corps/unit with no previous overseas service. Mel Mel, Many thanks. In telling the story as to what Moyes and the 6th Queens were up to until his death I was hoping to be able to reduce the time line otherwise there is 2 1/2 years to cover. Regards, Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelPack Posted 20 October , 2011 Share Posted 20 October , 2011 Chris I have checked the age of Charles - his birth was registered in the June Qtr 1899 in the Plomesgate District - so he was born between March and June of that year. This means that he would have been a conscript mobilised around mid 1917 to complete his infantry training with a Training Reserve Battalion. Before the emergency measures introduced in response to the German Spring Offensive, conscripts had to attain the age of 19 before service in a theatre of war (a few months leeway in either direction was often practised). So I think that you can be fairly confident that your man arrived in F&F around February 1918 and was certainly no more than 19 and a half when he was killed. Mel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal Chris Posted 20 October , 2011 Author Share Posted 20 October , 2011 Chris I have checked the age of Charles - his birth was registered in the June Qtr 1899 in the Plomesgate District - so he was born between March and June of that year. This means that he would have been a conscript mobilised around mid 1917 to complete his infantry training with a Training Reserve Battalion. Before the emergency measures introduced in response to the German Spring Offensive, conscripts had to attain the age of 19 before service in a theatre of war (a few months leeway in either direction was often practised). So I think that you can be fairly confident that your man arrived in F&F around February 1918 and was certainly no more than 19 and a half when he was killed. Mel Mel, This is great. It drastically reduces the period I need to cover. Many thanks. Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonmate Posted 16 November , 2011 Share Posted 16 November , 2011 Chris I hadn't returned to this thread ! What Melpack says I learned of yesterday when I looked at a couple of SWB Registers and it now brings home what he said, the numbers don't help with the enlistment patterns with this particular Regiment ! Examples: 63328 on 17.8.1914 ; 60694 24.7.1916 ; 66929 14.9.1914 ; 66148 26.6.1917. Sotonmate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal Chris Posted 17 November , 2011 Author Share Posted 17 November , 2011 Chris I hadn't returned to this thread ! What Melpack says I learned of yesterday when I looked at a couple of SWB Registers and it now brings home what he said, the numbers don't help with the enlistment patterns with this particular Regiment ! Examples: 63328 on 17.8.1914 ; 60694 24.7.1916 ; 66929 14.9.1914 ; 66148 26.6.1917. Sotonmate Thanks for your input. I have taken Mel's suggestion and told the story from Feb 1918. Regards, Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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