Dragon Posted 22 July , 2004 Share Posted 22 July , 2004 (edited) .. Edited 23 September , 2004 by Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swni Posted 22 July , 2004 Author Share Posted 22 July , 2004 I hope that one of your contacts is able to help and that it wont be too much trouble for you or them. Thanks again Gwyn Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Holstein Posted 22 July , 2004 Share Posted 22 July , 2004 If it's from WWI Palestine, I would expect it to be in Turkish, which in those days was written using the Arab script. It was Ataturk who changed the writing of Turkish from Arabic to Roman letters, thereby deliberately cutting 'modern' Turkish off from it's past. If you get nowhere with your Arabic contacts, try contacting the history dept. at Istanbul or Ankara universities and see if someone there can help you. Or try the Turkish dept. at an English university for someone who can read pre-Ataturk script. Christina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted 22 July , 2004 Share Posted 22 July , 2004 (edited) .. Edited 23 September , 2004 by Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 22 July , 2004 Share Posted 22 July , 2004 After all this, I bet it'll say: Missing. One tabby cat. Reward... Gwyn Gwyn, you devil, you made me splurt my coffee all over the keyboard!! marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swni Posted 22 July , 2004 Author Share Posted 22 July , 2004 Gwyn thats twice you've made me laugh today!! Sorry I havent answered before but I only just discovered that I had TWO pages of postings and so hadnt read them all (Im new to this game you know so dont laugh at me please!) Thanks for the email, I look forward to hearing more from your VERY educated middle eastern friends!! Christina - thats a good suggestion if Gwyn's friends cant get it translated - if you know any addresses...please let me know. Thanks. Marina - she made me laugh uncontrollably too and I was alone in the house....it felt very strange laughing out loud on my own!! and lastly - Egbert - please dont be too hard on Gwyn .... they arent shadowy underworld illegals workers after all!! Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted 22 July , 2004 Share Posted 22 July , 2004 (edited) .. Edited 23 September , 2004 by Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 22 July , 2004 Share Posted 22 July , 2004 Enough is enough! You're placed effective immediately on the "persona non grata" list for Langley did?! Egbert, please don't make Gwyn persona non grata. She made me LAUGH in a month that has been very dire indeed. Gwyn, if Egbert insists, you must move north near me where you'll be appreciated! Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ypres Posted 22 July , 2004 Share Posted 22 July , 2004 Egbert is that Langley near Eastbourne? Gwyn, don't worry Seaford will look after you, us northeners have to stick together (even if i do live in the south!) Mandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kate Wills Posted 23 July , 2004 Share Posted 23 July , 2004 Silly me - I thought you meant LangleyBaston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted 23 July , 2004 Share Posted 23 July , 2004 Could I add something, please, in the hope it won’t be taken the wrong way. I don’t mind being teased (by Egbert or anyone else), but the reason I got involved in this thread was to try and help Sue with her special document. The people I can ask to help are real humans for whom the threat of surveillance, intimidation and ‘disappearance’ are very real in the regimes they have fled. None of us know how far reaching a comment can be, however funny and light-hearted; and this is the Internet. In fairness to them, I am going to focus on the point of the thread and I would really appreciate any comments staying clear of what might be sensitive areas for the people I know and care about. Please take this in the spirit in which it is meant. Gwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 23 July , 2004 Share Posted 23 July , 2004 May I speak in support of Gwyn on this point and ask that forum members exercise a little more discretion in their postings. I hope that my sense of humour is as broad as the next person’s, however it is easy to forget that not everyone who uses this forum lives in a western style democracy and that some security agencies are more pro-active than others. As we saw in Washington only yesterday, even those who napped up to 9/11 are now awaking from their slumbers. Let us not overlook either, the good work done at Cheltenham, where an investigation need not be based upon sound logic or even horse-sense, but triggered simply by the use in a communication of certain key words. Remember the former US Sec of State Dr. H.K; ‘Even paranoids have enemies.’ I hope that we can now return to the original question here Regards Michael D.R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew King Posted 23 July , 2004 Share Posted 23 July , 2004 Here are the two documents I mentioned in an earlier post that I was hoping someone could identify what they were about. They are both sides of one piece of paper. Any help would be great, thanks Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Holstein Posted 26 July , 2004 Share Posted 26 July , 2004 Sue, I may be able to find a Turkish contact that can help. May I send him your email address? Christina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted 26 July , 2004 Share Posted 26 July , 2004 (edited) .. Edited 23 September , 2004 by Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swni Posted 26 July , 2004 Author Share Posted 26 July , 2004 Thanks Christina - yes if you think he can help please do. Gwyn - thanks for your continued endeavours - its proving quite a difficult thing to translate isn't it? Of course if a translation comes from any other quarter I will let you know immediately! Look forward to hearing from you. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Charles Fair Posted 26 July , 2004 Share Posted 26 July , 2004 Sgts Hurcomb and Sedgewick are of the 2/19th Battalion, London Regiment. ... indeed, they most certainly were 19th Londons. From my database: Sgt Frederick George HURCOMB (numbers 3876 and 611058) believed to have enlisted about mid April 1915 Wounded 20/02/18 at Talat ed Dumm resided 60, Grafton Rd, St Pancras Sgt James Walter SEDGWICK (numbers 4655 and 611488) believed to have enlisted about late May 1915 resided 14 Theobald St, New Kent Rd, Southwark Both men went to France with 2/19th when it went overseas with 60 Division on 24/06/16, and then served in Salonika (Dec 1916 - June 1917) and then in Egypt and Palestine until the end of the war. John Player and Sons produced a series of 50 cigarette cards of 'Uniforms of the Territorial Army' in about 1940. Card number 36 is of a Sgt of the 2/19th and is clearly identifiable as one of the men in the photo Michael posted above. Swni, it is quite possible that your relative was with a London unit, as 60 Division received a large draft of 3,000 RAMC men in late May 1916 shortly before it went overseas (see this thread). Many of these men were Welsh, and some ended up in the 2/19th. The 19th London Regiment had an annual Jerusalem Dinner on the saturday closest to the capture of the city - usually the first in the month. This tradition was maintained throughout the interwar period, though I dont know whether it lapsed immediately after 1945. Reports of these dinners in the regimental journal often include comments such as "all ranks were particularly delighted to see Taffy Jones who made the long journey from Ebbw Vale to be with his old comrades". The key to Jerusalem eventually ended up with the 20th Londons and apparently exists somewhere in a storage room in a drill hall somewhere in London. I am trying to track it down. Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 27 July , 2004 Share Posted 27 July , 2004 Charles, Many thanks for the extra details re the sergeants Your search for the ‘key to Jerusalem’ has a hint of a latter day Indiana Jones story The very best of luck with your quest Regards Michael D.R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swni Posted 27 July , 2004 Author Share Posted 27 July , 2004 Basically, it isn't on to accept the freely given help and time of my willing friends and then to ask someone else to do what the friends have promised to try to do before they've had a proper chance to resolve the question. I am now in the embarrassing position of having to communicate this development to my friends. Gwyn My apologies Gwyn I am new to this having only come onto the forum a week Sunday for the first time and never having used any forum before I am obvously not aware of all the protocol that goes with it. The last thing I want to do is offend anyone I am only hear to see if I can solve several puzzles within our family and to help others if I have information that may be of use to them. It has upset me that I appear to have offended you. I am very grateful that you have undertaken to try and get this document translated for me and am very excited about the prospect. I have also been grateful to all who have taken time to read my posts and contribute their own ideas and suggestions, I do not like to be rude to anyone so try to respond to all who take part. I will bear in mind what you have said in the future when responding to other messages. Please give my apologies to your friends and thank them for their efforts. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Holstein Posted 27 July , 2004 Share Posted 27 July , 2004 I'm the one who's upset Gwyn, Sue, not you. Sorry Gwyn, I didn't mean to do that and wouldn't have looked at it like that if it was I who had asked friends to help in the first place. Sue, if you'd prefer to let my offer lie until Gwyn's friends have had a go, that's fine by me. Christina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swni Posted 27 July , 2004 Author Share Posted 27 July , 2004 Yes thats fine by me Christina and probably the best idea. I certainly didnt mean to cause problems! Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluedog Posted 28 July , 2004 Share Posted 28 July , 2004 Swni Try to contact Murat CULCU c/o Denizler KITABEVI at : turgayerol@turk.net or at studyografik@hotmail.com Mr. Culcu translated the diary of Lt. Mehmed fasih of the 5th. Imperial Ottoman Army from the old Ottoman script to modern Turkish and it was then translated into English by Hasan Basri DANISMAN Bluedog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swni Posted 30 July , 2004 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2004 Thanks very much for the info Bluedog - If Gwyn's friends are unable to translate at least I have a few other people who may be willing to try. Its much appreciated. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 17 August , 2004 Share Posted 17 August , 2004 Did this poster ever get translated? I'm mad with curiosity! Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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