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Chiad Fhear

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Hi comrades

It's been a wee while since I needed any assistance from you but I've found a Medal Index Card showing "VOL. B. 895" alongside the British War Medal.

If you have an Ancestry sub it's here http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1262&iid=30850_A001419-01869&fn=Robert+W&ln=Simpson&st=r&ssrc=&pid=10775443

Anyone got any clues?

The ancestor was in the K.O.S.B. and latterly the Labour Corps if that's any help.

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Chiad Fhear

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He may have served in India during the war and thus is only entitled to the BWM. This was issued in 1935 and is quite a late issue as the majority of BWMs were issued between 1921 and 1923.

The 'Vol B 895; page 132A' simply refers to the roll and page number on which the entry is recorded, ie he was only issued with the BWM.

Hope this helps,

Robert

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He may have served in India during the war and thus is only entitled to the BWM. This was issued in 1935 and is quite a late issue as the majority of BWMs were issued between 1921 and 1923. The 'Vol B 895; page 132A' simply refers to the roll and page number on which the entry is recorded, ie he was only issued with the BWM.

Hope this helps

Thanks Robert

I figured the reference was as you say.

'My' Robert, born 13 April 1876, was stationed at Glencorse Barracks in Edinburgh (Serving Corporal, 1st Battalion, Royal Scots in December 1897 when he got married the first time. Between 13 February 1915 and 26 March1919 his Army Records on Ancestry show him as 8498 Corporal, 9th Battalion, K.O.S.B. (King's Own Scottish borderers) having enlisted at Berwick-on-Tweed and was promoted, on enlistment, to Corporal following his declared 9years service with the 1st Royal Scots. He was promoted Sergeant on 4 August 1915 and later transferred to the Labour Corps, No. 658085, on 24 December 1918 until hisdemob three months later.

He was aged about 39 when he enlisted in the K.O.S.B. in 1915 and there is no evidence to show he served overseas in WW1.

I've attached a picture of te fine old man!

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Chiad Fhear

post-44838-0-42600600-1312453723.jpg

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What a fine looking gentleman. He is sporting a Queens and Kings South Africa Medal (the Queens having three clasps) a Victory and British War Medal, the last medal is the Delhi Durbar medal which means he was serving in India in 1911. To have the Victory medal means he must have been in an operational Theatre.

Rob

PS He has a temperance medal.

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What a fine looking gentleman. He is sporting a Queens and Kings South Africa Medal (the Queens having three clasps) a Victory and British War Medal, the last medal is the Delhi Durbar medal which means he was serving in India in 1911. To have the Victory medal means he must have been in an operational Theatre.

Rob

PS He has a temperance medal.

Thanks Rob

A fine looking gentleman indeed. I thought exactly the same when my 'cousin' in Hampshire sent the picture to me at the weekend.

A brilliant piece of deduction on your part. The information you've given above can be added to his file!

I assume the 'Temperance Medal' is the one on his right breast and that by 'Temperance' you mean he was a tee-totaller? I never knew there was a medal for that but then I might not qualify anyway :hypocrite:

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Chiad Fhear

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What a fine looking gentleman. He is sporting a Queens and Kings South Africa Medal (the Queens having three clasps) a Victory and British War Medal, the last medal is the Delhi Durbar medal which means he was serving in India in 1911. To have the Victory medal means he must have been in an operational Theatre.

Rob

PS He has a temperance medal.

Sadly, the last medal on the end is not a Delhi Durbar Medal. Although it was based on the 1911 Coronation Medal (and had the same ribbon) the DDM was considerably bigger. This ribbon looks much more pale, and I think

I can only see the bust of King George, rather than of King George and Queen Mary - as with the DDM and the Coronation Medal.

http://www.northeastmedals.co.uk/britishguide/the_delhi_durbar_medal_1911_obverse.JPG

is a picture of the DDM (difficult uploading pics from work..)

http://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/dept/coins/collection/watson/images/M38_r_101.jpg

..shows the reverse of the Coronation Medal

http://www.mycollectors.co.uk/StockPhotos/Medals/Delhi-Durbar-1911.jpg

shows the reverse of the DDM.

I think the medal is an Imperial Service Medal, the so-called 'Postman's Medal' given to civil servants for 25 years' service.

http://www.medal-medaille.com/images/GB344a.jpg

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I see where you are going with this Phil, the fixing for the ring is also different. Sorry Chiard, the Indian link is now pending.

Rob

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... I think the medal is an Imperial Service Medal, the so-called 'Postman's Medal' given to civil servants for 25 years' service. http://www.medal-med...ages/GB344a.jpg

Thanks guys

How strange you should come up with the "Postman's Medal" ... Robert was a Postman before and after WW1 :)

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Chiad Fhear

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On the Queens South Africa Medal Rolls there is an "R Simpson", No 4848 in the 1st Battalion Royal Scots, shown as awarded the QSA Medal (as a Corporal) with 3 clasps (Belfast, Cape Colony and Orange Free State) and the King's South Africa Medal with 2 clasps (South Africa 1901, and South Africa 1902) as a Lance-Sergeant. He was transferred to England "Time-Expired" on 1st August 1902.

QSA link:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1686&iid=31794_221464-00081&fn=R&ln=Simpson&st=r&ssrc=&pid=267266

KSA link:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1686&iid=31794_221520-00078&fn=R&ln=Simpson&st=r&ssrc=&pid=725175

This matches Robert's picture, and there is no other equivalent candidate.

Steve.

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Thanks to you all for your help with this search. 'Cousins' in Hampshire and Brisbane are delighted with the results ... as am I, naturally!

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Chiad Fhear

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His WW1 records show that he served with the 9th Royal Scots (probably as a musketry instructor) until the 9th Royal Scots converted into a Training Reserve battalion on 1st September 1916, at which point he moved to the 3rd Royal Scots (presumably continuing a training role). Then he was attached to the 53rd (Young Soldiers) Battalion of the Highland Light Infantry until 21st August 1918 when he transferred to the 4th Reserve (3/4th) Battalion of the K.O.S.B.

He went to France on 11th November 1918 (the last day for qualifying, of course) - his medal card suggests he didn't qualify for the VM - but Robert himself seems to think he did! His records show both 11th and 12th November 1918 as embarkation date. He served with the 6th K.O.S.B. from 12-11-1918. He then transferred to the 758th Area Employment Company of the Labour Corps on 24th December 1918.

Here is his appointment as a Postman:

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/27781/pages/2554

Steve.

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And a "Postman's Medal" a.k.a. the Imperial Service Medal:

London Gazette 15-5-1936

Whitehall, May 4th, 1936.

IMPERIAL SERVICE MEDAL.

His Majesty The KING has been pleased to award the Imperial Service Medal to the following officers: —

HOME CIVIL SERVICE.

Simpson, Robert Warwick, Postman, Melrose Sub-Office, Galashiels.

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/34284/pages/3147

Steve.

EDIT: Incidentally, the records of 4848 Robert Simpson, 1st Royal Scots, are on FindMyPast indexed as "SIMPSON Robert Born: about 1875 at Selkirk, Selkirkshire WO97 Chelsea"

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You guys are just AWESOME :rolleyes:

Thank you ALL so much for your help

Regards

Chiad Fhear

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Hello, I know this is an old post...But I am researching 9th Royal Scots, and am particularly intrigued by an R Simpson on the battalion's South Africa Roll. What did you find to connect this man to 9th RS? I've had no luck on Ancestry!
Thanks and regards,
Neill

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