jay dubaya Posted 22 July , 2011 Share Posted 22 July , 2011 Hoping some kind soul could give me the exact location of the Leipzig Redoubt in the salient and where the front line was around Thiepval on the 21st August 1916. Any help will be most appreciated, cheers, Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmac Posted 23 July , 2011 Share Posted 23 July , 2011 There are a variety of maps here: http://www.border-regiment-forum.com/wiki/index.php?title=11th_%28Service%29_Battalion_border_Regiment_%28Lonsdale%29#War_Diary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egbert Posted 23 July , 2011 Share Posted 23 July , 2011 I have a trenchmap overview that clearly shows Leipzig Redoubt but cannot post pictures anymore, obviously due to the website crash. I have to wait until everything is ok -sorry! P.S. Have sent it via email Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Mackenzie Posted 24 July , 2011 Share Posted 24 July , 2011 If you stand in front of the Thiepval Memorial facing it there will be a pathway to your left. Go down the path and it will become grassy, continue until you reach a small copse of trees - that is Leipzig Redoubt. Obviously this means nothing if you haven't been there (sorry about that!). Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 24 July , 2011 Author Share Posted 24 July , 2011 Thanks for the replies fellas, Bill, I hadn't realized that there were maps on that site and had missed them yesterday when I looked, just what I needed though, cheers Egbert, as always you're a great help Neil, I intend to be there later this year so it's of great assisstance One thing that is still puzzling me a little is who's hands the redoubt was in on 21st August 1916. I realise that the line in the area was very fluid at that time but I have read of an attack (infantry) on the redoubt on the 18th and 21st August. A Great Uncle that I am reseaching was KIA there on 21st August whilst serving with the 8th MG Sqd (Cavalry), the war diary notes 1 & 2 sections having entered trenches in the redoubt on 13th and remaining there until relieved by 3 & 4 sections on 21st. Any help with clarifying this would be greatly appreciated, cheers, Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towisuk Posted 24 July , 2011 Share Posted 24 July , 2011 Previous thread........... http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=152299 regards Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egbert Posted 24 July , 2011 Share Posted 24 July , 2011 The Granatloch was taken at 09:00 the morning of 1.7.16. It was held against all counter-attacks by the Brits. The front line stabilized at Hindenburg Stellung (see attachment). So whatever happened 21.8.16 did not happen in Granatloch but the periphery, opposite Hindenburg-Stellung The dotted lines within Granatloch show British trenches opposing the Hindenburg-Stellung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egbert Posted 24 July , 2011 Share Posted 24 July , 2011 View from Authuille road towards Granatloch visible as a cluster of trees/bushes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 24 July , 2011 Author Share Posted 24 July , 2011 Thanks Tom and thanks again Egbert that really helps. Nice pic with the tower of Thiepval hidden in the thickets. I've now found another map which shows The Naze just south of the Granatloch, this has me thinking of how these names come about. The man I'm researching was serving with the Essex Yeomanry detatchment of the 8th MGS, so does The Naze have any Essex connection here? cheers, Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Shand Posted 25 July , 2011 Share Posted 25 July , 2011 According to Barry Cuttell in his 148 Days on the Somme, the attack of August 21,1916 was undertaken by the 48th Division of the 144th Brigade. He indicates that the 4/ Gloucesters attacked to "extend the gain in the Leipzig Salient." He records that the 4/ and 6/ Gloucesters took many prisoners in th Hindenburg Trench and to the left, the 1/ Wiltshires (7th Brigade, 25th Division) entered Lemberg Trench. He doesn't mention the Essex Yeomanry but if you look at the Order of Battle for the Divisions involved you may find that they were attached to one of the Divisions that Cuttell mentions. Regards, Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egbert Posted 25 July , 2011 Share Posted 25 July , 2011 I have found a website here which is dedicated to Granatloch and it shows also the Naze. This website may be of interest for you and has some useful maps and interesting accounts from 1 July 1916. According to the location, the Naze was captured 1 July and stayed in Brit possession Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egbert Posted 25 July , 2011 Share Posted 25 July , 2011 Here are more maps and pictures dedicated to Granatloch/Leipzig Salient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egbert Posted 25 July , 2011 Share Posted 25 July , 2011 In this picture on the very left side of the ploughed field you see today's position of the Naze (Granatloch is some 50-100m further to the left) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 25 July , 2011 Author Share Posted 25 July , 2011 Peter, many thanks for the information, since the EY was only a small MG detatchment (also contained RHG and 10th Hussars) I doubt that they would be mentioned under their parent name. Once again Egbert you have provided some great pics for my quest, these really help with the lay of the land and the view that the attacker and defender had. How far from the front line would a Vickers MG be placed? In the days preceeding 21st August the MG detatchment is noted as having fired 50,000 rounds long range fire towards Thiepval and Mouquet Farm. On the 22nd the detatchment moves back to Authuille Wood. cheers, Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Trim Posted 29 July , 2011 Share Posted 29 July , 2011 Hi all, last week while staying at Avril's I used Linesman to visit the Leipzig Redoubt and walk around/through it. Despite the height of the crops as usual you could clearly see the excellent field of fire the German's had. Len Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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