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Unknown group of soldiers


gdwrugby

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Hi,

am a newb here so apologies if posting in the wrong spot.

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g401/gdwrugby/PearsonFamilyPhotos_0001.jpg

Was wondering if anyone might be able to shed any light as to who this group of soldiers might be, I gather from the slouch hats they are Australian but don't know anything past that.

I have ancestors who were in the 1st AIF and served on the Western Front and this was amongst postcards and photos that related to them, but alas there was no writing on the back.

Any information greatly appreciated, apologies again if there is a better spot for this.

Thanks

gdwrugby

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Looks like a Yeomanry unit in South Africa, Boer war, as suggested - the chap to the left of the maxim gun (with his hand on the gunshield) has what looks like efficiency stars on his lower right arm.

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Thanks Leighc and squirrel for the replies.

Interesting you say pre WW1 as I have no knowledge of any ancesters being involved in the Boer War.

I didn't know that was a Maxim gun so thanks for that.

They do look a bit like gum trees but hard to tell as the photo or the scan isn't that clear, is there a chance this could be a WW! training photo or do the uniforms rule that out ?

cheers

gdwrugby

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I would say pre WW1 militia. What are your ancestors names? Whilst in most cases pre war militia papers are not available their WW1 service papers may indicate prior militia service.

Rgds

Tim D

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Hi,

thanks for the replies.

The ancestors I mentioned were 3 Pearson brothers who all served in the 26th Battalion.

Samuel Charles Pearson

Edward Walter Pearson

Joseph David Pearson

Joe was killed at Flers in 1916, Ted was killed at Lormisset I think but don't know much about that, Sam was wounded twice but made it back home.

Have looked at their records in the archives, there a lot of very sad letters from my GG grandmother, don't recall any of their records mentioning other service but might not have known what to look for.

Is possible this photo comes from a different family line or not related at all and just been mixed up with these photo's.

Of the 3 brothers I have photo's and details of Joe and Sam but don't have any photo's or know much about Ted to compare it to this photo.

cheers

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I notice that Joe had only just turned 18 when he enlisted and has 12 months prior cadet service at the time of attestation...so he probably enlisted straight from cadets. There is at least one younger looking lad in the photo so perhaps its a photo from his cadet service?

The photo could certainly be members of a militia or other Australian unit after the commencement of the war. Part of H company of the 9th Australian Infantry Regiment (a Queensland unit) was based at Casino in 1914 and cadets in the area would likely have trained with them. There is evidence in period newspapers that the cadets and militia from the area travelled to Brisbane to take part in training there.

Have you read Joe's Red Cross file?

http://www.awm.gov.au/cms_images/1DRL428/00028/1DRL428-00028-2120508.pdf

Funnily enough I started writing a history of the 26th Bn (I had at least 1 relative in it), but had to put it on hold due to work commitments. I still have a lot of material stored. I understand the history is currently being written and is expected to be finalised soon.

Rgds

Tim D

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Hi

Looking at NAA no Pearson's in the Boer War of that name in the list, the 2 there were from Vic and WA.

The photo may be between the wars(Boer and WW1).

According to their papers-

Joseph did 1 year in the cadets.

Edward did none. Neither did Samuel.

I would think it may be of some other person?

regards

Robert

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They look like Australian uniforms of the Boer War era or shortly after. Those collar and hat badges could tell you a lot more but I gather that the image is too small to show any detail when magnified?

Scott

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The photo was a scan sent to me, will see if there is any way I might get a better scan of this and see what that shows.

I don't really know anything about military rank or insignia but, looking at the photo a lot of the soldiers have markings ontheir right arms, is this a rank ?

I also now notice on the left hand side of the photo, what looks like a house and fence in the background ? ! Maybe there could be something to this being a photo of when Joe was in cadets, but none really resemble any photo's of him that i have seen.

Blackblue, would be very interested in any information you have on the 26th Battalion, particularly if there is any mention of one of the Pearson's. I have photo's of Joe and Sam in their uniforms if that is useful. I also have a postcard from Joe at training camp in Frasers Hill (which I think is in Qld ?) that you might find interesting.

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g401/gdwrugby/PearsonFamilyPhotos_0002.jpg

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g401/gdwrugby/PearsonFamilyPhotos_0003.jpg

In particular we don't have any photo's or know what happened to Edward other than he was KIA at Lormisset so any information about him would be awesome.

I have read Joe's Red Cross file, which explains why he does not have a marked grave.

Thanks again for everyone's replies.

cheers

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Some of them do appear to have stripes...I can see a few Sergeants. No idea where the photo is I am afraid. The hat badge appears quite large, bit its too indistinct to link to a regiment with any certainty. Looking closely they all appear to be wearing high boots or leggings and a few spurs so it may well be the local Light Horse Regiment. I have found a reference to the 4th (Northern Rivers Lancers) Australian Light Horse Regiment (which had part of a Squadron at Casino and its HQ at Lismore) having their annual camp at Casino in March 1914. The unit contained a Maxim Gun Section, based at Lismore. The machine gun is a Maxim, which was still in use by the AIF at Gallipoli and until later by the Light Horse until replaced by the Vickers.

http://alh-research.tripod.com/Light_Horse/index.blog/1911494/northern-river-lancers-1915/

Fraser's Paddock still forms part of Gallipoli Barracks at Enoggera in Brisbane. You can see Enoggera Hill in the background (many a route march there!). The majority of Queensland raised units (including the 26th Battalion which was part Queensland and part Tasmanian) congregated and trained there.

I can't find any reference to the boys in the material I have which is mostly operational records and some personal accounts. If you have not already done so if you look at the War Diary here it has some detailed accounts of the circumstances surrounding their deaths, including Operation Orders.

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/records/awm4/subclass.asp?levelID=1771

The Official History is also worth a look if you have not done so. Page 1033 onwards mentions the 26th at Lormisset Farm.

http://www.awm.gov.au/histories/first_world_war/

Rgds

Tim

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