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Family Headstone Tewin Herts


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While strolling through the village churchyard at Tewin Hertfordshire, I spotted a family memorial headstone to the Perry family. It states that it remembers their three sons namely:

Wally Perry aged 26 KIA at Arras on 26th April 1917

Charlie Perry aged 21 of Royal Sussex Regiment KIA 22nd March 1918 at St Quentin

Harry aged 19 killed in Folkestone 3rd November 1918

The nearby war memorial lists them as Walter, Charles and Harold Perry respectively.

I have trawled the local history sites but to no avail and the Roll of Honour site does not cover Tewin.

Tewin is a small village so the loss of these lads must have been truly devastating and from the headstone it would appear they were Mr and Mrs Perry's only children.

I would be grateful if anyone has any information on these boys especially young Harry who died so late in the War and on home soil.

Maxi

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maxi

Try the local newspapers of the time, I spent some time at the library yesterday looking at microfilm for the ramsbottom observer from 1915 and the information was eye opening.

Regards Duncan

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It seems Harry was in the Bedfordshires (from CWGC):-

Name: PERRY

Initials: H

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment/Service: Bedfordshire Regiment

Unit Text: 3rd Bn.

Date of Death: 03/11/1918

Service No: 50631

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Cemetery: TEWIN (ST. PETER) CHURCHYARD

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This is the only W Perry I can find for that date (again CWGC). Would the details fit?

Name: PERRY

Initials: W

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment/Service: Devonshire Regiment

Unit Text: 9th Bn.

Date of Death: 26/04/1917

Service No: 25825

Additional information: Husband of Mrs. E. E. Perry, of 3, Stock Lane, Seaton, Devon.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: I. D. 11.

Cemetery: ACHIET-LE-GRAND COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION

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Hmmm - having trouble placing Charlie. The only Royal Sussex C Perry I can find for 1918 on CWGC is as follows, but it doesn't match, at least in terms of date:-

Name: PERRY, CHARLES ALFRED

Initials: C A

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Serjeant

Regiment/Service: Royal Sussex Regiment

Unit Text: 11th Bn.

Date of Death: 03/04/1918

Service No: G/15557

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 46 and 47.

Memorial: POZIERES MEMORIAL

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In 1901 Census, the family are at Lower Green, Tewin

James Perry, 54; Hannah E Perry, 43; George D Perry, 18; Arthur Perry, 13; Madeline Perry, 11; Walter Perry, 10; Louise L Perry, 9; Daisy Perry, 6; Charles A Perry, 4; Harry Perry, 2

Seems as if it's the 3 youngest boys.

Soldiers Died in the Great War shows

Name: Charles Alfred Perry. Birth Place: Welwyn, Herts. Death Date: 1 Apr 1918

Death Location: British Expeditionary Force. Enlistment Location: Hertford. Rank: A/Sergeant

Regiment: Royal Sussex Regiment. Battalion: 11th Battalion. Number: G/15557

Type of Casualty: Killed in action. Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

Name: Harry Perry. Birth Place: Tewin, Herts. Residence: Watford. Death Date: 3 Nov 1918

Death Location: Home. Enlistment Location: Watford. Rank: Private

Regiment: Bedfordshire Regiment. Battalion: 3rd Battalion. Number: 50631

Type of Casualty: Died. Theatre of War: Home

Haven't found Walter yet.

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I have found Harry Perry - Soldiers Died in Great War

Birthplace - Tewin

Death Date - 3/11/18

Enlisted - Watford

Rank - Private

Regiment - Bedfordshire

Battalion - 3rd

Number - 50631

Type of Casualty - Died

Theatre - Home

Also family are on 1901 Census living in Tewin

James and Hannah Perry along with 8 children, George, Arthur, Madelaine, Walter,Louise, Daisy, Charles and Harry.

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maxi

Try the local newspapers of the time, I spent some time at the library yesterday looking at microfilm for the ramsbottom observer from 1915 and the information was eye opening.

Regards Duncan

Duncan

My only problem is that the village is between Stevanage and Welwyn Garden City which are both post-war New Towns.

However, I'll make a start at our County Town, Hertford and see what I can find.

Many thanks

Maxi

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Then it could be Charles Alfred, though SDGW also has an April date for him.

Name: Charles Alfred Perry

Birth Place: Welwyn, Herts

Death Date: 1 Apr 1918

Death Location: British Expeditionary Force

Enlistment Location: Hertford

Rank: A/Sergeant

Regiment: Royal Sussex Regiment

Battalion: 11th Battalion

Number: G/15557

Type of Casualty: Killed in action

Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

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Duncan

My only problem is that the village is between Stevanage and Welwyn Garden City which are both post-war New Towns.

However, I'll make a start at our County Town, Hertford and see what I can find.

Many thanks

Maxi

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In 1901 Census, the family are at Lower Green, Tewin

James Perry, 54; Hannah E Perry, 43; George D Perry, 18; Arthur Perry, 13; Madeline Perry, 11; Walter Perry, 10; Louise L Perry, 9; Daisy Perry, 6; Charles A Perry, 4; Harry Perry, 2

Seems as if it's the 3 youngest boys.

Ah nice work KevinW4 as I only posted this about an hour ago!

Thank you so much

Maxi

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Duncan

My only problem is that the village is between Stevanage and Welwyn Garden City which are both post-war New Towns.

However, I'll make a start at our County Town, Hertford and see what I can find.

Many thanks

Maxi

Welwyn Garden City is as you say a New Town but Welwyn is not.

I have now found on SDGW

Arthur Perry

Death - 21 Mar 1918

Enlisted - Hertford

Rank - Private

Regiment - Royal Sussex

Battalion - 13th

Number - 15641

Type of casualty - KIA

Regards Lin

(Resident of Hertforshire)

Have just checked this one on CWGC and probably not this one as it states he is brother of John William Perry of Harlow.

Edited by linj
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I have found Harry Perry - Soldiers Died in Great War

Birthplace - Tewin

Death Date - 3/11/18

Enlisted - Watford

Rank - Private

Regiment - Bedfordshire

Battalion - 3rd

Number - 50631

Type of Casualty - Died

Theatre - Home

Also family are on 1901 Census living in Tewin

James and Hannah Perry along with 8 children, George, Arthur, Madelaine, Walter,Louise, Daisy, Charles and Harry.

Thanks Linj

That service number will be very helpful.

Maxi

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Maxi

Google Watford illustrated it may be a starting point.

Duncan

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This is the only W Perry I can find for that date (again CWGC). Would the details fit?

Name: PERRY

Initials: W

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment/Service: Devonshire Regiment

Unit Text: 9th Bn.

Date of Death: 26/04/1917

Service No: 25825

Additional information: Husband of Mrs. E. E. Perry, of 3, Stock Lane, Seaton, Devon.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: I. D. 11.

Cemetery: ACHIET-LE-GRAND COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION

Verrico2009

The Cemetery is the closest to the Arras theatre for a W Perry and the date of death is spot on but what is the Devonshire connection? As Duncan has suggested, a trawl of the contempary local newspapers may show more details.

Thanks for your help

Maxi

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Maxi

Google Watford illustrated it may be a starting point.

Duncan

Cheers Duncan

I will do just that

Maxi

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This is the only W Perry I can find for that date (again CWGC). Would the details fit?

Name: PERRY

Initials: W

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment/Service: Devonshire Regiment

Unit Text: 9th Bn.

Date of Death: 26/04/1917

Service No: 25825

Additional information: Husband of Mrs. E. E. Perry, of 3, Stock Lane, Seaton, Devon.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: I. D. 11.

Cemetery: ACHIET-LE-GRAND COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION

Looks like he married, only Marriage cert will tell.

Sam

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linj, sorry, just beat you to it!!

With regards to maxi's question about Walter. looks like he married a Devon lass and enlisted down there?

Ah, curses!! Now Sam's beaten me!!

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I haven't found Wally anywhere on the 1911 census yet, maxi - and unfortunately his service papers don't seem to have survived, so I'm sure Sam's right: the marriage certificate is the only item that would help.

Edit: all I can say is that in 1911 only four properties were registered in Stock Lane, Seaton. Precisely where No.3 should appear, though there was no number, is a family called Snell, consisting of a widowed 55 year old mother, her 16 year old daughter Ellen and 3 year old granddaughter. None of the other three properties have a female "E" who would fit. I would be looking to see if there's a Snell/Perry marriage - but it's Tuesday, which means CSI!

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It looks like Wallie on headstone Pte K O (R L poss) and his wife is mentioned can not read the crucial piece but looks like Seck or Beck what it states is - In Loving Memory **** His Dear Wife -

I took this some years ago I wonder if it has been cleaned since

PERRY, WALTER JAMESInitials:W JNationality:United KingdomRank:PrivateRegiment/Service:King's Own (Royal Lancaster Regiment)Unit Text:8th Bn.Date of Death:30/04/1917Service No:27612Casualty Type:Commonwealth War DeadGrave/Memorial Reference:Bay 2.Memorial:ARRAS MEMORIAL

Also bear in mind fathers name was James, often tradationally fathers first name is given as second name well it is in my family.

Also dates do not always coincide between families and CWGC

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The grave inscription should be recorded in the church /cemetery records

Duncan

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  • 1 year later...

Thanks to everyone who helped me with the above post.

I now drag anyone who is interested to this churchyard to show them this headstone using the information contributed above to flesh out our visit.

Thanks again.

Maxi

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