ph0ebus Posted 29 July , 2015 Share Posted 29 July , 2015 On 28/07/2015 at 21:41, TeeCeeCee said: Daniel Thought this may be of interest, here's another Gale aboard the battlecruiser Queen Mary. I believe this is 2 aboard QM and 2 aboard Lion. I don't know what the collective noun for a group of gales or storms is? Or maybe I have that backwards and maybe it is a storm of gales? Very interesting! He's not a relation I am aware of, but this certainly needs further investigation. Many thanks! -Daniel This would be the man: http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3036205/GALE,%20ALBERT%20GEORGE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hmswaterwitch Posted 13 December , 2015 Share Posted 13 December , 2015 I now have another identification: Back row second from left is a young Gunner, Royal Marine Artillery. This is almost certainly Frank Henry BRODIE, official number 14723. Born Great Yarmouth 24th May 1898, he was only a week or two past his eighteenth birthday in this picture. I've just bought his medals - a silver War medal and a Victory medal (sole entitlement). Served Lion 4th June 1916 to 19th Feb 1917. I also believe that the man standing back left is Edwin Thomas Lammas R.M. Artillery who features as one of the survivors of HMS Lion on the maritimequest website. Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeCeeCee Posted 16 December , 2015 Share Posted 16 December , 2015 I now have another identification: Back row second from left is a young Gunner, Royal Marine Artillery. This is almost certainly Frank Henry BRODIE, official number 14723. Born Great Yarmouth 24th May 1898, he was only a week or two past his eighteenth birthday in this picture. I've just bought his medals - a silver War medal and a Victory medal (sole entitlement). Served Lion 4th June 1916 to 19th Feb 1917. I also believe that the man standing back left is Edwin Thomas Lammas R.M. Artillery who features as one of the survivors of HMS Lion on the maritimequest website. Arthur Hello Arthur it seems that from the date you give that Brodie missed Jutland so would he be in a photograph titled "the only ones left"? If he joined on the 4th June, was he a replacment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest over the hill Posted 4 April , 2016 Share Posted 4 April , 2016 I am David Butland Grandson of Edwin Thomas Lammas R.M.Artillery. I have been looking for the photo you have been talking about with him in and cant find it could you point me in the right direction thank you David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mandy hall Posted 4 April , 2016 Share Posted 4 April , 2016 Hello David and welcome to the forum. The photo would have been in post no 1. It is possible Fossil Phil has removed it, or that during various upgrades of the forum since 2011 that it has dropped off. Fossil Phil is still a visitor to the forum. Click on his name above his picture(avatar). From this page you can send Phil a message. Good luck Mandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Eyden Posted 5 April , 2016 Author Share Posted 5 April , 2016 Many apologies, I didn't realise the photo was off the site for some reason. I have put it back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gordonjdm Posted 10 April , 2016 Share Posted 10 April , 2016 I have been following this thread with interest. My great aunt was a postmistress in South Queensferry for much of WW1. She kept an autograph album containing about 70 texts and images and many are by Royal Navy signalmen or Royal Marines who were ship’s postmen. Where there is a legible signature I am trying to put the story behind each autograph. HMS Lion is represented by one sketch of what I assume to be the HMS Lion by H Willows and three cartoons are by J Glendinning. The H. Willows sketch which must be by Harry Willows is dated 1916 and from the position in the album is presumably pre-Jutland. I have his service record and have worked out some of his family history. The signature on the Glendinning autographs is the same as those on paintings by him featured on the Art of HMS Lion. On the autographs he signs himself as Gunner J Glendinning RMA. From information in the 1911 census I feel sure that this is John Gibb Glendinning. His service record has not been digitised by National Archives. Any information would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 11 April , 2016 Share Posted 11 April , 2016 Glendinning's records are at Kew, here - http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7786265 and here - http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14740612 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cara grant Posted 1 June , 2016 Share Posted 1 June , 2016 Can anyone help... my grandfather Thomas George Wood 199525 was acting CYO on Lion from March to August 1916. He died in 1950 before I was born, and the family tradition is that he was on leave at home in Devon just before the battle of Jutland, was called back to the ship but missed his train connection in London and so missed the battle. Could this be true? How can I find out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cara grant Posted 3 June , 2016 Share Posted 3 June , 2016 Can anyone help... my grandfather Thomas George Wood 199525 was acting CYO on Lion from March to August 1916. He died in 1950 before I was born, and the family tradition is that he was on leave at home in Devon just before the battle of Jutland, was called back to the ship but missed his train connection in London and so missed the battle. Could this be true? How can I find out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest daiw Posted 5 June , 2016 Share Posted 5 June , 2016 I have found out recently that my grandfather was on HMS Lion during Jutland. He was private Ronald Gardener RMLI and I think he is 2nd from the right in the back row of the photo. Unfortunately I never met him as he died in 1920. Thanks for the photo!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest daiw1 Posted 6 June , 2016 Share Posted 6 June , 2016 After reading the many interesting entries regarding the "RMLI" survivors, I am not sure if my grandfather is who I identified previously. According to his service record he joined the RMLI in October 1896. He was born in October 1879 and so he lied about his age. He served aboard HMS Lion from 1912 to 1917. His records doesn't show him anywhere else. Did men transfer from ship to ship without it appearing on their service records during the war? Also I got his death date wrong - it was July 3rd 1919 - a good historian I am!! Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 6 June , 2016 Share Posted 6 June , 2016 According to his service record he joined the RMLI in October 1896. He was born in October 1879 and so he lied about his age. He served aboard HMS Lion from 1912 to 1917. His records doesn't show him anywhere else. Did men transfer from ship to ship without it appearing on their service records during the war? "Lied about his age". I very much doubt it. He could have enlisted as young as thirteen. Why was he a liar? Records of service will record every draft between ships and shore establishments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeCeeCee Posted 6 June , 2016 Share Posted 6 June , 2016 Can anyone help... my grandfather Thomas George Wood 199525 was acting CYO on Lion from March to August 1916. He died in 1950 before I was born, and the family tradition is that he was on leave at home in Devon just before the battle of Jutland, was called back to the ship but missed his train connection in London and so missed the battle. Could this be true? How can I find out? Do you have his service record? That will have the ships he was on and it will also include any prize money he would have been due for the loss of German ships during the battle. However, that raises other queries that I'm not learned enough to anwer... but if he didn't get a Jutland prize or bounty I'd say that was definite proof he missed the battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest daiw1 Posted 7 June , 2016 Share Posted 7 June , 2016 Thanks for your reply. I only assumed that he had lied about his age because I was told by an ex RM in the RM Museum in Portsmouth that he had to be 18 to enlist in the RMLI. It looks like he was incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 28 August , 2016 Share Posted 28 August , 2016 There is a WW1 dispaly at Athelstan Museum in Malmesbury, where Charles Bishop lived. I took his medals to the exhibition and also walked past the house where he lived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann Best Posted 22 September , 2017 Share Posted 22 September , 2017 I am looking for photos of my grandfather Charles Fry who was on the HMS Lion. His DOB was 1899.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLunt Posted 17 April , 2018 Share Posted 17 April , 2018 I have visited this forum before regarding my grandad John Frederick Lunt RMLI Plymouth Division . He served as part of the 527 siege battery in France. Previous to this he served on HMS Lion. We were told he fought in the battle of Jutland but as his DOB is 11/8/1898 I wondered was he too young for this. He did enlist in Jan 1916. Could he have been on board under age? He does have a commemorative medal. He used to be visited by the Queens bandsman from the Royal Marines as the last surviving crew member of the Lion that fought at the Battle of Jutland. Does any of this ring true? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wexflyer Posted 17 April , 2018 Share Posted 17 April , 2018 On 2/8/2014 at 20:49, Phil Eyden said: Thanks to everyone for the information since i started this thread on my great-grandfather. There is one point I am not entirely clear on though - what exactly would the role of the RMLI on ships such as the Lion. Were they to form boarding parties, escort duties or manning secondary guns? Thank you. I thought their primary role was to protect the naval officers from "Jack"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 17 April , 2018 Share Posted 17 April , 2018 58 minutes ago, JackLunt said: We were told he fought in the battle of Jutland but as his DOB is 11/8/1898 I wondered was he too young for this Doesn't seem too young for the Navy . Surely his surviving RM Service Record confirms his presence ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loader Posted 18 April , 2018 Share Posted 18 April , 2018 If he was on HMS LION it will be posted on his service record, no exceptions to that rule that I know of ever. As stated every posting to ship or shore was listed with dates of effective posting & of leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Eyden Posted 26 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 August , 2019 (edited) I hope no-one minds resurrecting an old thread. My parents have discovered and had framed the medals of my Great-Grandfather Edward Haynes, about whom I started this thread. Included was this Medal of St. George which was issued in May 1918 to some of the participants at Jutland under the orders of the Russian government. Edward was probably one of the eldest of the RM onboard. He had already served 22 years by the time of Jutland. He started as Bugle Boy on the Benbow and Thunderer in reserve at Chatham in 1893/4. He went on to serve on the Hermes, Furious, Dominion and Goliath before the Lion. He was also present at the Battle of the Dogger Bank in January 1915 and died in June 1945. Edited 26 August , 2019 by Phil Eyden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58 Div Mule Posted 26 August , 2019 Share Posted 26 August , 2019 Phil, Any chance you could post a photo of the full group of medals? Congratulations on the find! 58 DM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Eyden Posted 26 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 August , 2019 Absolutely. Here you go. He also has a Long Service Good Conduct medal. The Lance Corporal stripe must be from a dress uniform I guess. Apologies that the photos aren't great, but the originals are at my parent's house a few miles away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58 Div Mule Posted 26 August , 2019 Share Posted 26 August , 2019 Phil, Thanks - great photo. Splendid display. We're being shown three good conduct badges by the look of it. Inverted chevrons on the left arm. 58 DM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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