Phil Eyden Posted 3 May , 2011 Share Posted 3 May , 2011 (edited) I thought the attached photo might be of interest. It is a photo of the thirteen survivors of the Royal Marine Light Infantry who were onboard HMS Lion at Jutland. The middle person in the centre row is my great grand-father Edward Haynes. The photo was annotated by Edward himself at the bottom. Sadly I do not know the names of the others in the photo but it is such an unsual image I thought it would be worth sharing.It's an odd thought to think that if Major Francis Harvey had not flooded the Q turret, the ship would have been lost, Edward probably killed and I would not be here typing this. Edited 5 April , 2016 by Fossil Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melliget Posted 3 May , 2011 Share Posted 3 May , 2011 Phil. A nice photo. The expressions on their faces reflect what must have been a grim experience, particularly for the younger men. The casualties for HMS Lion are listed on Don Kindell's list here: http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1916-05May-Jutland1.htm According to this list, 19 of the 95 casualties for HMS LION were RMLI (20%). With 13 RMLI men surviving, that means the RMLI complement on LION was 32. Thanks for sharing the photo. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeCeeCee Posted 14 May , 2011 Share Posted 14 May , 2011 I thought the attached photo might be of interest. It is a photo of the thirteen survivors of the Royal Marine Light Infantry who were onboard HMS Lion at Jutland. The middle person in the centre row is my great grand-father Edward Haynes. The photo was annotated by Edward himself at the bottom. Sadly I do not know the names of the others in the photo but it is such an unsual image I thought it would be worth sharing. It's an odd thought to think that if Major Francis Harvey had not flooded the Q turret, the ship would have been lost, Edward probably killed and I would not be here typing this. It's a great image from a interesting incident. I'm making a big model of LION and things like this are great! He didn't leave any more images did he? >insert cheeky grin< (Images aboard her of fittings, etc, are pretty rare) But thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Eyden Posted 15 May , 2011 Author Share Posted 15 May , 2011 (edited) It's a great image from a interesting incident. I'm making a big model of LION and things like this are great! He didn't leave any more images did he? >insert cheeky grin< (Images aboard her of fittings, etc, are pretty rare) But thanks for sharing. Thanks, pleasure. The only other photo I have from onboard the ship is this rather unusual postcard of shells being loaded. I hope it is of some interest. If you would like a bigger version, please drop me a line. Good luck with the model! Edited 5 April , 2016 by Fossil Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeCeeCee Posted 15 May , 2011 Share Posted 15 May , 2011 Thanks, pleasure. The only other photo I have from onboard the ship is this rather unusual postcard of shells being loaded. I hope it is of some interest. If you would like a bigger version, please drop me a line. Good luck with the model! Cheers Phil, it is one I've seen before but I appreciate the help just the same. Your orig image is great! It's a 'one-off' original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadsac Posted 16 May , 2011 Share Posted 16 May , 2011 TCC in reply to PM & Em here are 3 of LION awads (of 25) - quite wiing to do all if you so wish. There are no digital copies (as far as I know apart from thes !! BUNBURY Evan C N/E Lt.Cdr. RN 78B002 Lion Vice Admiral Sir David Beatty 03.03.15 Gazetted Dogger Bank Action 24.01.15 N/E Maintained the electrical communications under very difficult circumstances extemporising lighting and repairs to damaged electric pumps enabling the leaking compartments to be pumped out by the ships' impaired resources. FOUNTAINE Charles A N/E Cdr. RN 78B002 Lion Vice Admiral Sir David Beatty 03.03.15 Gazetted Dogger Bank Action 24.01.15 Promoted to Captain 03.03.15 Acted with great resource in extinguishing fires and stopping most dangerous leaks during the action. The safe return of the ship to port was largely due to his great ability, zeal and energy. CHATFIELD Alfred E.M. CVO Captain RN 78B001 Lion Vice Admiral Sir David Beatty 03.03.15 Gazetted Dogger Bank Action 24.01.15 N/E Greatest credit due to him for seamanlike manner in which "Lion" was taken in tow under difficult circumstances. Sadsac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog Posted 16 May , 2011 Share Posted 16 May , 2011 Not forgetting of course Major Francis Harvey RM VC who saved Lion at the Battle of Jutland. Major Harvey RM VC Norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeCeeCee Posted 22 May , 2011 Share Posted 22 May , 2011 Thinking about this image, the Marine 'Sgt of Q turret' who reported to Chatfield on the Compass Platform "'Q' turret knocked out sir!" This Sgt will be among these men! I had the name of this man once but ... sadsac, I have: Dogger Bank Captain Alfred E.M. Chatfield. CVO Commander Charles A. Fountaine, H.M.S. "Lion." Lieutenant-Commander Evan C. Bunbury, H.M.S. "Lion." Lieutenant Charles M. R. Schwerdt, H.M.S. "Lion." Engineer-Commander Donald P. Green, H.M.S. "Lion." Engineer-Lieutenant-Commander George Preece, H.M.S. "Lion." Mr. Joseph H. Burton, Gunner (T), H.M.S. "Lion." - Jutland, i have the citations for: Harvey (Marine mjr) Plunkett (chief of staff) Longhurst (gunnery Officer) Franks (Marine Lt) Seymour (flag lt) Maclean (surgeon) Grant (gunner) When I say 'citations', it is a sentence or two. In fact, most are from your early reply to me on this site. It's a very interesting image, actually. I'm glad it wasn't lost to history. Yes, if you have 25, please post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadsac Posted 23 May , 2011 Share Posted 23 May , 2011 TCC, here are 5 (of the 25) - more to come `as & when' !! Trust this is what you require ! GREEN Donald P N/E Cdr(E) RN 78B003 Lion Vice Admiral Sir David Beatty 03.03.15 Gazetted Dogger Bank Action 24.01.15 Promoted to Engineer Captain 25.01.15 In command of the engine-room department which eclipsed all "Lion's" steaming records and enabled the enemy to be brought to action. SCHWERDT Charles M.R N/E Lt. RN 78B003 Lion Vice Admiral Sir David Beatty 03.03.15 Gazetted Dogger Bank Action 24.01.15 DSO In the transmitting station he maintained an efficient control with great coolness and energy, and coped with situations arising from temporary failures in the electrical communication with great promptitude, under circumstances of considerable difficulty and anxiety. BUNBURY Evan C N/E Lt.Cdr. RN 78B002 Lion Vice Admiral Sir David Beatty 03.03.15 Gazetted Dogger Bank Action 24.01.15 N/E Maintained the electrical communications under very difficult circumstances extemporising lighting and repairs to damaged electric pumps enabling the leaking compartments to be pumped out by the ships' impaired resources. FOUNTAINE Charles A N/E Cdr. RN 78B002 Lion Vice Admiral Sir David Beatty 03.03.15 Gazetted Dogger Bank Action 24.01.15 Promoted to Captain 03.03.15 Acted with great resource in extinguishing fires and stopping most dangerous leaks during the action. The safe return of the ship to port was largely due to his great ability, zeal and energy. CHATFIELD Alfred E.M. CVO Captain RN 78B001 Lion Vice Admiral Sir David Beatty 03.03.15 Gazetted Dogger Bank Action 24.01.15 N/E Greatest credit due to him for seamanlike manner in which "Lion" was taken in tow under difficult circumstances. Sadsac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeCeeCee Posted 3 June , 2011 Share Posted 3 June , 2011 Sadsac I'd rather you looked after your health rather than sating my idle curiousity. My PM to you was due to an offer you'd made to me in an earlier thread offering me such details as you have. So honestly, don't sweat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest daverpat Posted 17 February , 2012 Share Posted 17 February , 2012 Found this at my Great Grandfather's Childhood home. It is silk with a papre border and backing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 21 June , 2012 Share Posted 21 June , 2012 I'm a sporadic visitor but was thrilled to have come across this thread. Since 2008 I have been the custodian of the WW1 trio to Private Charles Bishop RMLI, one of the 13. Charles was born in September 1896 and enlisted in March 1914. He served on HMS Lion from July 1915 until March 1919. I never expected to see a picture of him and even though he cannot be identified - yet! - I know he is there. Thanks for posting the photo. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kypros Posted 22 September , 2012 Share Posted 22 September , 2012 I thought the attached photo might be of interest. It is a photo of the thirteen survivors of the Royal Marine Light Infantry who were onboard HMS Lion at Jutland. The middle person in the centre row is my great grand-father Edward Haynes. The photo was annotated by Edward himself at the bottom. Sadly I do not know the names of the others in the photo but it is such an unsual image I thought it would be worth sharing. It's an odd thought to think that if Major Francis Harvey had not flooded the Q turret, the ship would have been lost, Edward probably killed and I would not be here typing this. Marine on left in front row is my Grandad, Harry Gale from Torquay. He was previously in Dardenelles where he was wounded twice. He was born in 1896 and died aged 91 in 1986 having been a policeman in the Devon Constabulary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 1 November , 2012 Share Posted 1 November , 2012 I was at the Royal Marines Historical Society AGM last Saturday and took the Lion group along to seek assistance with identification. It was pointed out to me that all the RMA men could be discounted, as could any over the age of 20. So I can cross another possibility off the list. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeCeeCee Posted 2 November , 2012 Share Posted 2 November , 2012 I've never really looked at the men before. The standing 5 are all RMA, as is the centre of the front row, the remainder are RMLI. It's then a matter of elimination... If we count from L to R: The centre man, middle row, No3, appears to have a Lance Corporal chevron on his left arm, he's also the OPs G-grandfather. You can discard him. You can also discard the man to his right, No4, with 3 good conduct chevrons on his right cuff. The 3 best matches for C. Bishop are all in the middle row, Nos 1, 2 and 5. I'm discarding the front row as No1 was named, No2 is RMA and No3 has 6 years in. If you have Bishops records there, did he earn a Good Conduct badge by summer/autumn 1916? If so, you could discard No5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 3 November , 2012 Share Posted 3 November , 2012 Yes, I have his service record. He never achieved more than a single GC. Frustratingly I cannot make out the year to assess whether he was in possession of one at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 3 November , 2012 Share Posted 3 November , 2012 Although you have not posted the full table of GC Badge awards (to the right of what you have posted), it would appear that he was awarded his first GCB on four occasions. The first three were deprived. The table shown just shows what time he forfeited towards GCBs: 192 days under-age and 5 days in cells "C". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 3 November , 2012 Share Posted 3 November , 2012 I'm afraid that there is nothing to the right of what I posted on the copy I have. In terms of when the awards were made I can read the bottom three years - in ascending order 23, 22 and 19 - but nothing above. On discharge in 1923 he was described as 5ft 7" tall, which I add for information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 3 November , 2012 Share Posted 3 November , 2012 (edited) The first award of his first GCB would have been three years after his 18th birthday (when his 'time' started): 10 September 1917. So he did not have a GCB at Jutland. He was deprived of his first GCB on 11 Jan (?) 1918 and it was restored after the required six months VG conduct on 9 Jul (?) 1918. It was deprived again on 19 September 1918 as a result of his Cells punishment (and loss of five days 'time'). After this second deprivation (within three years) he had to have a year of VG conduct before it was restored on 24 September 1919. His third deprivation in 1922 led to the fourth restoration after six months in 1923. Edited 3 November , 2012 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 3 November , 2012 Share Posted 3 November , 2012 Many thanks - so that's Bishop narrowed down to middle row 1 or 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 3 November , 2012 Share Posted 3 November , 2012 Well under 18 years old at Jutland. No proof but I would go with No.1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 3 November , 2012 Share Posted 3 November , 2012 He was born on 11 September 1896 so that would make him nearly 20. He was born in the same year as Harry Gale (above) who I would have guessed - wrongly - to be in his mid-20s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonharley Posted 3 November , 2012 Share Posted 3 November , 2012 Private Harry Willows, R.M.L.I., the only member of the "Q" turret crew known to have left an account of what happened, was 27 at the time of Jutland. Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wexflyer Posted 4 November , 2012 Share Posted 4 November , 2012 The account of the Skaggerack battle incident by the Gunner of Lion is available on the web - he visited the lower working spaces of the stricken turret in the interval between the initial shell hit and the subsequent cordite explosion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 4 November , 2012 Share Posted 4 November , 2012 In his post above Martin notes 19 RMLI casualties so with with the seven survivors gives a RMLI complement of 26 (rather than 32) and a total of 62 for the combined RMA/RMLI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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