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Prussian 11th Jager Battalion - information welcomed


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As posted elsewhere on the Forum, I have recently acquired a 1906 Gewehr 98. The rifle is in original trim, including having retained its regimental marking disc in the buttstock.

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I would appear to own the 22nd rifle belonging to the 4th Company of the 11th Jager Battalion.

I'm seeking confirmation of my interpretation of the data on the disk, but as well, would be interested in any intelligence with regard to their movements during the war.

From a search here, it appears they may have spent some time in Turkey in the latter part of the war, but what about earlier on?

Thank you in advance.

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I meant to add that Jaeger Bn 4 has a good regimental history: Neumann Hauptmann der Res.Ernst Das Magdeburgische Jaegerbataillon Nr. 4 im Weltkriege 1914 1918 Sporn, Zeulenroda 1935. It began the war as part of 15 Inf Bde, 8th Div, IV Corps, First Army but, unfortunately I only have a few pages relating to its service at Le Cateau where it was engaged near Cattenieres at the western end of the battlefield where it attacked the British 4th Div. It ended the war as part of the Ostsee Divison, but where it was in between and when it parted company with 8th Inf Div I do not know.

Jack

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Hello!

I can add, that the Jg.Btl.4 came not under the command of the new Jäger-Regiments, so it stayed as the 4th bataillon until the end of war.In march 1918 the Jg.Btl.4 came to the Ostsee-Division (called "Deutscher General in Finland" at sept.,13th) with a divisional-strength of 368 officers, 9007 men, 3432 horses, 18 guns, 10 mine-sweepers, 97 heavy and 68 loight machine-guns. They came to Finland in february 1918 and fought there to help General Mannerheim until 2nd. may 1918. Several troops stayed in Finland for a few months more until november

Here is the battle order:

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Thank you for the regimental history details, and for clarifying how to interpret the disk. I've found quite a bit of conflicting information online about the interpretation of the disk data.

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The Battalion was transfered to the Eastern Front in November 1914 where it served for the rest of the War. It is my understanding that it went East with the 2. Kavallerie-Division, although whether it remained under command of that formation until joining the Ostsee-Division is unclear.

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Glenn

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We seem to have settled on Jaeger=Bataillon Nr. 4, correct? I would agree, as shorthand German unit notation was usually of the form of 11./JB 4 for such a unit and company. However, to my mind that raises another question. What was a Jaeger battalion doing with 11 (or 12) companies? We have some research giants at hand, so we should have an answer. At the beginning of the war I gather that Jaeger battlions were composed of four Jaeger companies, one bicycle company, and one MG company of 12 MGs. And the discussion suggests that this still was a Jaeger battalion late in the war. (In 1915 many Jaeger battalions were peeled away from their original army corps, and started to be pulled together into Jaeger regiments and brigades and then into the Alpenkorps, accurately described as the first Jaeger division.) Or was there, later in the war, a J=B Nr. 4 and also a J=R Nr. 4?

Bob Lembke

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Bob makes a very good point regarding the numbers of companies. Weapon stamping is certainly not my area of interest but I wonder if this could be a weapon belonging to the Bavarian 4. Infanterie-Regiment König Wilhelm von Württemberg? There was a Jäger-Regiment Nr. 4 formed on 4 July 1917 in the field consisting of JB 11, RJB 5 and RJB 6 under command 200. Infanterie-Division.

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Glenn

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Hello!

Bob made an interesting statement. I haven´t recognize the 11 for the company. I read too quickly.... Of course, Bob is right!

In the brilliant book of Albrecht Wacker and Joachim Görtz (Handbuch deutscher Waffenstempel ; ISBN 3-932077-10-5) is a list of a few hundred markings on weapons.

In every way, a single J stands for Jäger. A regiment always had an added R.

But we made one single mistake. 11.J.4.22 doesn´t mean the 11th company, but the 4th company of the Jäger-Btl.11!

The Jäger-Bataillon 11 became in july 1916 one bataillon of the Jäger-Regiment 4 (200.Inf.Div.)

So here we have a nice marking of an unit of the Karpathen-Korps

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I am the guilty one and must hold my hand up. In my defence I would only remark that in German military writing the distinguishing number invariably follows 'Jaeger Bn'when one of these units is being described, or is describing itself. So I cannot explain why this one should be different.

Jack

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Calm down, mate, we´re not at court...:hypocrite:

Well, the german marking system is a special thing... But one must know, an order of numbers and letters for a thousands of units and part-units is very hard to understand. Sometimes the "rules" were broken by marking several things. I only can point to the official markling system. My fault was to read your thread and I haven´t thought enough of that. But no problem, no it´s is solved and I can recommand to book to everyone of you. It´s fantastic (all markings from 1871 until 2000!)

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I am quite amazed at the depth of knowledge resident here, and willingly shared.

So it appears this is indeed a rifle from the 11th Jager Battalion then. Thank you for shedding some light on all of this.

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