ph0ebus Posted 18 March , 2011 Share Posted 18 March , 2011 Hi all, Though many of my posts have been related to the German side of the family and those members who served in the Great War, I know precious little about any family on the Scottish side of the family who may have served; if fact, I know of no one who did, which strikes me as odd, and makes me consider that I am missing something. I have read the LLT, and searched Ancestry, and the NA to no avail, and feel a bit frustrated. So, these are some of the Wilsons who were of the right age who I suspect may have served. It is a bit of a 'hail mary pass' but I hope perhaps someone might help me figure out if there is anything to find. Peter Wilson born 1896 in Grangemouth, Strlingshire, son of David and Catherine Wilson John Wilson, brother of Peter, born 1888 James Wilson, son of Charles and ????. Estimated birth year 1898, give or take. Probably from North Norris, Stirlingshire, Scotland John Wilson (James' brother), exact birth year unknown. Probably hailed from North Norris, Stirlingshire, Scotland. David Wilson, b. 1891, Auchterderran, Fifeshire, Scotland, son of Alexander and Elizabeth Wilson David Wilson, b. 1881 in Ballingry, Fifeshire, Scotland, Son of David and Ann Wilson Thomas Wilson, (David's brother), b. 1885 in Ballingry, Fifeshire, Scotland As you can see I have no precise DOBs for any of them, which is hampering things. I also have no years of death for any of them. Shall I give up until I can establish specific DOBs or is there some hope to find something with the above? There are actually more Wilsons to look for, but starting with seven is plenty, I would think! Thanks, -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanhemmings Posted 18 March , 2011 Share Posted 18 March , 2011 Hi Daniel, Here you go 1901 Scotland: Peter and John - sons of David and Catherine = Grangemouth, Stirlingshire Peter S Wilson Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896 Relationship: Son Father's Name: David Wilson Mother's Name: Catherine Wilson Gender: Male Where born: Grangemouth, Stirlingshire Registration Number: 481B/2 Registration district: Grangemouth Civil parish: Grangemouth Town: Grangemouth County: Stirlingshire Address: 29 Union Places ED: 3 Household schedule number: 27 Line: 14 Roll: CSSCT1901_158 Household Members: Name Age David Wilson 37 Catherine Wilson 28 John Wilson 13 Peter S Wilson 5 David Wilson 3 Catherine Wilson 1 Marion M Wilson 1 MO 1901 Scotland David - son of Alexander and Elizabeth Auchterderran, Fife David Wilson Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Alexander Wilson Mother's Name: Elizabeth Brown Gender: Male Where born: Lochgelly, Fife Registration Number: 405 Registration district: Auchterderran Civil parish: Auchterderran County: Fife Address: 3 Brewery Court Occupation: Scholar ED: 5 Household schedule number: 46 Line: 13 Roll: CSSCT1901_129 Household Members: Name Age Alexander Wilson 36 Elizabeth Brown 32 David Wilson 10 Elizabeth Wilson 8 Alexander Wilson 3 Jane Wilson 1 1901 Scotland - David and Thomas(Thomson) sons of David and Ann born Balingry Fifeshire David Wilson Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relationship: Son Father's Name: David Wilson Mother's Name: Ann Wilson Gender: Male Where born: Ballingry, Fife Registration Number: 410 Registration district: Beath Civil parish: Beath County: Fife Address: 16 Croall Pl Occupation: Coal Miner Hewer ED: 2 Household schedule number: 66 Line: 7 Roll: CSSCT1901_131 Household Members: Name Age David Wilson 50 Ann Wilson 46 James Wilson 22 David Wilson 20 Thomson Wilson 16 Lizzie Wilson 12 Janet Wilson 11 Marjory Wilson 9 John Wilson 7 Richard Wilson 2 Cannot find anyone called James born abt 1898 with a brother John (both born North Norris in Stirlingshire) with a parent Charles. (no James or John born or residing in stirlingshire) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanhemmings Posted 19 March , 2011 Share Posted 19 March , 2011 Daniel The only James I could find with a brother John and father Charles in 1901 Scotland is the following: James Wilson Age: 2 Mos Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Charles Wilson Mother's Name: Mary Wilson Gender: Male Where born: Paisley, Renfrewshire Registration Number: 573/1 Registration district: Paisley Civil parish: Paisley County: Renfrewshire Address: 1 Well St ED: 42 Household schedule number: 1 Line: 9 Roll: CSSCT1901_206 Household Members: Name Age Charles Wilson 47 Mary Wilson 39 Charles Wilson 14 Mary Wilson 12 Rebecca Wilson 10 Andrew Wilson 6 Isabella Wilson 4 John Wilson 2 James Wilson 2 Mos Jeanie Milne 22 I have not got a clue as to where Renfrewshire is in relation to North Norris or Sterlingshire. This is all I could find. Maybe if you have a bit more detail I can have a more thorough look. Susan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfaulder Posted 19 March , 2011 Share Posted 19 March , 2011 >><< I have not got a clue as to where Renfrewshire is in relation to North Norris or Sterlingshire. This is all I could find. Maybe if you have a bit more detail I can have a more thorough look. Susan County map of Scotland should do the job. In the 19th Century There was a fair amount of internal migration from (west - rural) Stirlingshire to (Urban) Glasgow - which spans parts of Dunbartonshire (North Bank) Renfrewshire (South Bank) and possibly North Lanarkshire. I am not sure about "North Norris" - I can't find it in any gazatteer, either it is a very small hamlet or possibly a transcription error. ScotlandsPeople - Scottish genealogy, census and family research is a (pay as you go) site which is often useful. You can get a fairway with the indices before needing to pay. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piorun Posted 19 March , 2011 Share Posted 19 March , 2011 Well, Daniel, Hail Mary's often work - at least at Notre Dame . As I did earlier, I endorse David's suggestion of Scotland's People. Norrieston is near Stirling. I shall undertake a more detailed search over the weekend. There are many tiny mining villages and farm/crofts in the area. Cheers, Antony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eltoro1960 Posted 19 March , 2011 Share Posted 19 March , 2011 It would appear that no one by the name of Wilson who lived in the parish of Norrieston was killed in WW1 , here is the memorial John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 19 March , 2011 Author Share Posted 19 March , 2011 Hi all, Wow, I am already learning a lot and I am happy that no Wilsons perished from Norrieston. Charles is a bit of an enigma. I checked with my uncle who is better versed on the Wilson line and he has the following information, presumably from the census for Charles: Scholar (1891), Signalman Railway (1901). He does not have the actual census images, so I don't know if this will help pin him down or not. Susan, that might very well be him you found. I will talk with my uncle more to see if there are any bits of info he has that might either rule him in or out. There were quite a few siblings above my uncle and I were unaware of, so even if this is as far as we get in this line of enquiry it was greatly appreciated!! Thanks, -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcoyne Posted 19 March , 2011 Share Posted 19 March , 2011 hi dan;this is a bit off topic but my brother in law was james f.wilson.he is the third generation of ancestors with the same name plus his son (my nephew)also has the same name.my wilsons setteled im maine and mass.plus other parts of new england.do you think there might be a connection.my brother in law was born and lived for his younger years in glaucester,mass.before their family moved to boston.one of the james f.wilsons died at sea.he was a fisherman.his wife remarried and her new marriage name was joyce.im in boston.any connection? regards ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 19 March , 2011 Author Share Posted 19 March , 2011 hi dan;this is a bit off topic but my brother in law was james f.wilson.he is the third generation of ancestors with the same name plus his son (my nephew)also has the same name.my wilsons setteled im maine and mass.plus other parts of new england.do you think there might be a connection.my brother in law was born and lived for his younger years in glaucester,mass.before their family moved to boston.one of the james f.wilsons died at sea.he was a fisherman.his wife remarried and her new marriage name was joyce.im in boston.any connection? regards ed Hi Ed, Very well could be...there certainly were a *lot* of Wilsons in my tree. At the moment I have 6 James Wilsons in my tree. The Charles Wilson we have been discussing had a son named James. Some came to the USA, some stayed behind. Who was James F Wilson's father and grandfather? If you have their names and approximate DOBs I can see if anything matches up. For me the chain of ancestry goes like this: Alexander Wilson (my great grandfather) 1873-1963 from Bellsdyke, Both Kenner, Stirling, Scotland John Wilson (his dad) 1842-1920 from Clackmannan, Clackmannanshire, Scotland David Wilson (his dad) 1807-???? from Larbert, Stirling, Clackmannan, Clackmannanshire, or Kinnairp, Stirlingshire, Scotland (he had a son James who named his son James...) Peter Wilson (his dad) 1778 - ???? from Larbert, Stirling, Scotland Robert Wilson (his dad) 1757-???? from Tillicoultry, Clackmannan, Scotland James Wilson (his dad) 1727-???? from Tillicoultry, Clackmannan, Scotland If any of these match up I would be most interested is catching up! -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eltoro1960 Posted 19 March , 2011 Share Posted 19 March , 2011 Could this lad be Peter? I don't know if his mothers maiden name was Morrison, it was commonplace to have your mum's maiden name as a middle name. John Surname WILSON Firstname Peter Morrison Service Number 267778 Date Death 23/04/1917 Decoration Place of birth Stirling Other 6th Bn. SNWM roll THE BLACK WATCH (ROYAL HIGHLANDERS) Rank Pte Theatre of death F.& F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piorun Posted 19 March , 2011 Share Posted 19 March , 2011 It would appear that no one by the name of Wilson who lived in the parish of Norrieston was killed in WW1 , here is the memorial John Thanks, John. I was trawling the OS maps of the Stirling area (I have a dislike of "shires" in Scotland) to try and help Daniel but had to go off to coach a referee early (all the games were put forward so we could watch Scotland win in peace ). I can rule out Norrieston but will look for more Norrie, Norris etc tomorrow. Yours aye, Antony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 21 March , 2011 Author Share Posted 21 March , 2011 Could this lad be Peter? I don't know if his mothers maiden name was Morrison, it was commonplace to have your mum's maiden name as a middle name. John Hi John, I actually do not have his mother's maiden name, so I am not sure. If I can figure that bit out then I can either rule this fellow in or rule him out. The 1901 Census (which I cannot see via Ancestry) appears to just have her married name and not her maiden name. Thanks for checking!! Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 4 April , 2011 Author Share Posted 4 April , 2011 Hi all, Marshall, not sure why your post did not go through, but indeed, no further progress on this front. I must admit I was sidetracked by the possible rediscovery of my great grandfather's grave, a thread about which is in Skindles...my attention has been there as of late. Once that is resolved, back to the Scottish side of the family! Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 6 January , 2012 Author Share Posted 6 January , 2012 Hi all, Back to this thread, after a little time researching other branches. All that I have that is new since then, sadly, is that John Wilson born 1888 was born in Grangemouth, Stirlingshire, Scotland. My uncle does not have more precise dates, it seems, but he and some other family are looking through their stuff to see if we can get some things more concrete. My thanks to each of you who have contributed to this thread so far....and the quest continues! -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 7 January , 2012 Author Share Posted 7 January , 2012 I just ran every one of the above through Ancestry UK (today being their free day for downloading British Army records) with the available information and totally struck out. I found one John Wilson's enlistment papers, born 1888 and living in a Poorhouse but there is nothing in that document to tell me he is my relation. Back to square one. -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Posted 8 January , 2012 Share Posted 8 January , 2012 Hello All, This thread certainly caught my eye, as I too am searching for Wilson ancestors from Scotland. These Wilsons came from the Dundee area, which I think is in a different part of Scotland to all those mentioned in the posts above. The soldier I am tracking is 175 George Raymond (Ray) Wilson, born 1886 in Helensborough (plus a twin brother, Thomas Harold Wilson), who served in the AIF with 3rd Field Ambulance as a stretcher-bearer on Gallipoli and then later as a Staff Sergeant in charge of AIF Dental stores in Portsmouth. His parents were the Rev. George Armitstead Wilson (born 1857, Dundee) and wife Agnes Bennett Watson (no d.o.b. known), who were married in 1883. I have his AIF service file, so there are no questions regarding that period of his life. My question is this - can anyone with better access to the Scottish records of one kind or another prove or disprove the family story that he served in the Territorials - possibly RAMC, Dental Branch - before emigrating to Australia in 1912? This previous Territorial service, if true, may explain why he was able to transfer to the Australian version of the dental corps when the AIF moved from Egypt to the Western Front theatre in early 1916. Getting access to pre-War UK Territorial records is difficult from Down Under to say the least!! Any information would be greatly appreciated, especially from those members who have been so helpful to Phoebus. Regards, Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan pryke Posted 8 January , 2012 Share Posted 8 January , 2012 phOebus,My mothers maiden name was Wilson, and she was born in the parish of Dalserth in Lanarkshire, it is my understanding , that her father and uncles were all in reserved occupations, mining, so did not enlist. Perhaps your relatives were too. Regards Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughdiamond Posted 8 January , 2012 Share Posted 8 January , 2012 Phoebus Did you know the 1911 Scottish census is now online? It's here http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ with Census records every 10 years from 1841onwards which is pay as you go, you'll also get Birth Marriage and Death entries which are scanned images of the handwritten Registers from 1855 and are the envy of geneologists worldwide. Birth entries crucially give parents Date and Place of Marriage and Mother maiden name. Marriage entries give address', age and professions of the couple, they also list parent's names (including mothers Maiden names), whether they are alive or deceased, Mothers Maiden Names and the Fathers professions. Death records give the same parental detail as Marriage records, they only give an age, not a date of birth (there can be inaccuracies here because of lack of knowledge of the person registering the Death), it also lists the person registering the Death and their relation to the deceased, a usual address for the deceased and a place of death if different, care has to be taken as deaths had to be registered in the Parish where the person Died, in the cases of Deaths in Hospital, at work etc this may have been a different parish to where they lived. Finally you can get images on there pre-1855 of Parish Birth, Marrriage and Death records, but they have very little info, especially the latter. If you can get addresses from the 1911 census for relatives who you think may have served and they lived in Larbert, Stenhousemuir, Falkirk or Grangemouth areas, I work in Larbert and could check the absent voters roll in Falkirk Library (if they have them). Same thing goes for your Robert Finlayson relative in your other thread http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=173788&st=0&p=1688766&fromsearch=1entry1688766 Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundeesown Posted 8 January , 2012 Share Posted 8 January , 2012 Name: George Armitstead Wilson Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Agnes Wilson Gender: Male Where born: Lochee, Forfarshire Registration Number: 503 Registration district: Row Civil parish: Row Town: Helensgh County: Dumbartonshire Address: 168 E King St Occupation: Minister of Baptist Church ED: 1 Household schedule number: 70 Line: 5 Roll: CSSCT1891_163 Household Members: Name Age George Armitstead Wilson 33 Agnes Wilson 34 John Wilson 6 George Wilson 4 Thomas H Wilson 4 Evelyn C Wilson 3 Zillalie M Wilson 2 Catherine W Watson 74 Annie H McLauchlin 16 This is the 1891 Census,as you can see George A was born in Lochee just outside Dundee (but now part of Dundee). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 8 December , 2018 Share Posted 8 December , 2018 Hello. I have just came across this thread whilst carrying out my researches. My maternal great grand parents were Wilson's. Peter Wilson was my Great Grandfather, he married Jess McNab and had 5 children. After his spell in the military we became a Baker and worked in Grangemouth, he passed away in 1940 in Grangemouth sadly the last of their children passed away last year (my Grandmother) Hope this helps William Mctaggart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 27 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 27 December , 2018 On 08/12/2018 at 16:04, Wulliemct said: Hello. I have just came across this thread whilst carrying out my researches. My maternal great grand parents were Wilson's. Peter Wilson was my Great Grandfather, he married Jess McNab and had 5 children. After his spell in the military we became a Baker and worked in Grangemouth, he passed away in 1940 in Grangemouth sadly the last of their children passed away last year (my Grandmother) Hope this helps William Mctaggart Hi William, Just seeing your post after having been away for the forum for some time. I have a few Peter Wilsons in my tree. Was he born perhaps in 1880? I have a relation born that year in Bothkennar for whom I do not have much information. I believe the others have attached spouses, none of whom were named Jess. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 8 January , 2019 Share Posted 8 January , 2019 Hi Daniel Apologies for the delay. Just looking through my Family tree and I see the following John Wilson 1842-1920 from Clackmannan, Clackmannanshire, Scotland marries Marion McLean 1840-1901 one of their son's is Alexander Wilson 1873-1963 from Bellsdyke, Bothkenner, Stirling, Scotland, I think this is the Alexander WIlson who is your relative. Alexander Wilson had an older brother David Wilson born 1864 in Airth (next village to Bothkenner) he is my 2nd Great Grandfather. David Wilson b 1864 marries his second wife Catherine Gordon Wilson and they have 4 children together Peter born 1896 (my Great Grandfather) David born 1897, he died during the battle of Galliopi WW1 at the age of 17 Catherine born 1899 Marion born 1901 Hope this helps Kind regards William Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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