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Ian (MedalHunter) posted the following in 2004. William Ryan was my Granduncle. I would be interested to hear from Ian

Posted 22 October 2004 - 12:16 PM

Hi All,

Merchant seamen will be found on CWGC website. I looked up a William Ryan who's Mercantile Marine medal I have. He was a 'Donkeyman' and died 12/05/1918 aged 38. Unit/ship given as S.S. "Inniscarra" (Cork). Unfortunately that's as far as I got with him as I don't live near London and most of the records.

Can anyone help with the ship details? Was the ship sunk?

The only advice on your relative is to keep asking and looking. Something will turn up and start a whole line of info. Usually though each answer you get brings with it more questions!!

Good luck.

Regards Ian.

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The SS Iniscarra was sunk by a torpedo from U-86 in May 1918 ten miles south east of Ballycottin Island on the approaches to Cork en route from Fishguard. Antony

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Thanks Anthony, I knew when it was sunk and most of the details but did not know the actual submarine.

The SS Iniscarra was sunk by a torpedo from U-86 in May 1918 ten miles south east of Ballycottin Island on the approaches to Cork en route from Fishguard. Antony

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Sorry, Seank. I misinterpreted your quote as your post. Glad I could add a wee bit anyway. All the best, Antony

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Sean,

Do you know any more about him? 26 men of the mercantile marine named William Ryan qualified for war medals http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=browserefine&query=first_name%3dwilliam%7clast_name%3dryan&catid=45&pagenumber=1&querytype=1&mediaarray=* of these, with the information from CWGC that his parents lived in Cork and he was 38, the most likely candidate would appear to be http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=8525877 born Waterford 1879.

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No need to be sorry Anthony, I was delighted with the info.

Sean

Sorry, Seank. I misinterpreted your quote as your post. Glad I could add a wee bit anyway. All the best, Antony

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This is my Grand Uncle William. William was born to Hugh and Margaret Ryan in Johnstown, Glounthaune, Co Cork on 16th of June 1879.

In Memory of

Donkeyman WILLIAM RYAN

S.S. "Inniscarra" (Cork), Mercantile Marine

who died age 38 on 12 May 1918

Son of Margaret and the late Hugh Ryan, of 7, Mahoney's Avenue, Lower Rd., Cork.

Remembered with honour

TOWER HILL MEMORIAL<BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break">

Sean,

Do you know any more about him? 26 men of the mercantile marine named William Ryan qualified for war medals http://www.nationala...=1&mediaarray=* of these, with the information from CWGC that his parents lived in Cork and he was 38, the most likely candidate would appear to be http://www.nationala...Edoc_Id=8525877 born Waterford 1879.

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Inniscara would have been owned by Cork Steam packet company, she was attacked previously and missed by a torpedo in st Georges channel 11-11-1917. When sunk 28 lives were lost. She did a nightly Cork Fishguard journey

She was owned by Cork steam packet company was taken over by B&I line i believe and they became Irish Continental or ICG who still exist but i do not know what records survive or where.

There is an account in "Quenstown for orders" byDr JM Barry including a list of those drowned and mentioning some survivors.

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Thanks Gaelgóir, I will try to get my hands on a copy of "Quenstown For orders" by Dr JM Barry

Seán

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Sean

MedalHunter has not been active on forum since 16 September 2010. If you go to members and search on the name MedalHunter you will get their details up, another 2 posts and you will be able to send them a message.

Mandy

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Mandy

Thank you for the information

Seán

Sean

MedalHunter has not been active on forum since 16 September 2010. If you go to members and search on the name MedalHunter you will get their details up, another 2 posts and you will be able to send them a message.

Mandy

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Gaelgóir,

Ba chóir dom a rá, go raibh maith agat ( For the rest of the world I am just saying I should have said thank you in Irish)

Seán

Thanks Gaelgóir, I will try to get my hands on a copy of "Quenstown For orders" by Dr JM Barry

Seán

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Can anybody tell me if there was just one medal awarded (Widows Penny) The reason I am trying to contact MedalHunter is that he states (in 2004) he has William's Medal. WILLIAMS MEDAL IS IN THE FAMILY HOME IN CORK

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28 were lost. Her normal crew was 33 with a complement of 2. Captain was P.F. Kelly. Antony

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Sean, they may have been, but not in a state to be identified....

These are the ones on the CWGC database, all commemorated at Tower Hill.

001 ATTRIDGE A - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

002 BUCKLEY F - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

003 CLARKE G - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

004 COX P - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

005 DRISCOLL D - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

006 EVANS W - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

007 FORDE M - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

008 GEARY M - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

009 HARRINGTON J - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

010 HARRIS J - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

011 HAYES R - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

012 MULLANE J - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

013 MURPHY M - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

014 NEILL W - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

015 O'BRIEN J - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

016 O'CONNELL L - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

017 O'CONNELL J - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

018 O'HARE M - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

019 O'MAHONY D - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

020 O'SHEA D - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

021 O'SULLIVAN M - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

022 PAGE JG BRISTOL/Z/5062 SS INNISCARRA 12/05/1918 ROYAL NAVAL VOLUNTEER RESERVE

023 PETERS RJ - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

024 RYAN W - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

025 TUCKER G WALES/Z/3713 SS INNISCARRA 12/05/1918 ROYAL NAVAL VOLUNTEER RESERVE

The Irishshipwrecks website has this information:-

LOSS OF A CORK BOAT.

FIVE SURVIVORS.

News has been received at Queenstown that the City of Cork Steam Packet Company's passenger steamer Inniscarra bound from Fishguard to Cork has been sunk by a German submarine. All on board were lost except the captain the chief engineer and three seamen who were landed at Queenstown. The captain was injured. The remaining 37 men who were on board are missing.

The vessel sank within a very short time after being torpedoed and some of the ropes attached to one of the boats got entangled and the occupants were thrown into the water. One of the survivors succeeded in getting into a boat and was taken on board the submarine. Another reached a raft.

* The Inniscarra, which had a gross tonnage of 1,412, was built at Newcastle by Wigham Richardson, and Co. in 1903.

The Times, Saturday, May 25, 1918

No doubt there were passengers to make up the 37 missing, but I haven't found any List of those.

Incidentally, with reference to the William Ryan of the initial post, have you seen this photo?

William Ryan

(Hmmm. doesn't seem to want to go "live".... try http://irishconstabulary.com/topic/940/Constable-Whelan--Queenstown-Junction-Railway-Station--1895)

It allegedly shows William as a young boy......

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Kevin

Thank you for your help

The Irishshipwrecks website is being nice to the sub. According to the Captain (survived) the crew of the sub fired over their heads to prevent them rescuing their shipmates. They took one of the survivors on board to interrogate him about the officers of the ship and then put him back in the lifeboat.

I presume that those eventually wahed ashore were just buried unidentified where they were found?

Thanks again

Sean

Sean, they may have been, but not in a state to be identified....

These are the ones on the CWGC database, all commemorated at Tower Hill.

001 ATTRIDGE A - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

002 BUCKLEY F - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

003 CLARKE G - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

004 COX P - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

005 DRISCOLL D - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

006 EVANS W - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

007 FORDE M - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

008 GEARY M - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

009 HARRINGTON J - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

010 HARRIS J - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

011 HAYES R - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

012 MULLANE J - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

013 MURPHY M - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

014 NEILL W - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

015 O'BRIEN J - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

016 O'CONNELL L - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

017 O'CONNELL J - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

018 O'HARE M - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

019 O'MAHONY D - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

020 O'SHEA D - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

021 O'SULLIVAN M - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

022 PAGE JG BRISTOL/Z/5062 SS INNISCARRA 12/05/1918 ROYAL NAVAL VOLUNTEER RESERVE

023 PETERS RJ - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

024 RYAN W - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

025 TUCKER G WALES/Z/3713 SS INNISCARRA 12/05/1918 ROYAL NAVAL VOLUNTEER RESERVE

The Irishshipwrecks website has this information:-

LOSS OF A CORK BOAT.

FIVE SURVIVORS.

News has been received at Queenstown that the City of Cork Steam Packet Company's passenger steamer Inniscarra bound from Fishguard to Cork has been sunk by a German submarine. All on board were lost except the captain the chief engineer and three seamen who were landed at Queenstown. The captain was injured. The remaining 37 men who were on board are missing.

The vessel sank within a very short time after being torpedoed and some of the ropes attached to one of the boats got entangled and the occupants were thrown into the water. One of the survivors succeeded in getting into a boat and was taken on board the submarine. Another reached a raft.

* The Inniscarra, which had a gross tonnage of 1,412, was built at Newcastle by Wigham Richardson, and Co. in 1903.

The Times, Saturday, May 25, 1918

No doubt there were passengers to make up the 37 missing, but I haven't found any List of those.

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Kevin

I missed your bit on the photograph of William in the Royal Irish Constabulary site.

That is indeed William in the front of the photo, it was taken around 1895 or possibly a bit earlier.. William was born on 16th June 1879. I put it up there. He had three brothers in the RIC ; Christopher (my Grandfather) , Michael Joseph and James. His father was the Station Master at Queenstown Junction Railway Station.

Sean

Sean, they may have been, but not in a state to be identified....

These are the ones on the CWGC database, all commemorated at Tower Hill.

001 ATTRIDGE A - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

002 BUCKLEY F - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

003 CLARKE G - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

004 COX P - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

005 DRISCOLL D - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

006 EVANS W - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

007 FORDE M - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

008 GEARY M - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

009 HARRINGTON J - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

010 HARRIS J - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

011 HAYES R - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

012 MULLANE J - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

013 MURPHY M - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

014 NEILL W - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

015 O'BRIEN J - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

016 O'CONNELL L - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

017 O'CONNELL J - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

018 O'HARE M - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

019 O'MAHONY D - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

020 O'SHEA D - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

021 O'SULLIVAN M - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

022 PAGE JG BRISTOL/Z/5062 SS INNISCARRA 12/05/1918 ROYAL NAVAL VOLUNTEER RESERVE

023 PETERS RJ - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

024 RYAN W - SS INNISCARRA CORK 12/05/1918 MERCANTILE MARINE

025 TUCKER G WALES/Z/3713 SS INNISCARRA 12/05/1918 ROYAL NAVAL VOLUNTEER RESERVE

The Irishshipwrecks website has this information:-

LOSS OF A CORK BOAT.

FIVE SURVIVORS.

News has been received at Queenstown that the City of Cork Steam Packet Company's passenger steamer Inniscarra bound from Fishguard to Cork has been sunk by a German submarine. All on board were lost except the captain the chief engineer and three seamen who were landed at Queenstown. The captain was injured. The remaining 37 men who were on board are missing.

The vessel sank within a very short time after being torpedoed and some of the ropes attached to one of the boats got entangled and the occupants were thrown into the water. One of the survivors succeeded in getting into a boat and was taken on board the submarine. Another reached a raft.

* The Inniscarra, which had a gross tonnage of 1,412, was built at Newcastle by Wigham Richardson, and Co. in 1903.

The Times, Saturday, May 25, 1918

No doubt there were passengers to make up the 37 missing, but I haven't found any List of those.

Incidentally, with reference to the William Ryan of the initial post, have you seen this photo?

William Ryan

(Hmmm. doesn't seem to want to go "live".... try http://irishconstabu...y-Station--1895)

It allegedly shows William as a young boy......

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Thanks again Anthony

Sean

28 were lost. Her normal crew was 33 with a complement of 2. Captain was P.F. Kelly. Antony

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Thanks again Kevin, your help and effort was much appreciated. Every liittle bit helps to build up the picture.

Sean

Sorry, I didn't know it was a boomerang to your own info!!

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Yes. The Widow's Penny was the large bronze plaque issued in the name of any soldier killed during the War. It was sent to the family, together with the Memorial Scroll and other such offerings of gratitude from HMG. The Mercantile Marine Medal was issued to Mercant Navy men who made one or more voyages through a "danger zone". It was standard medal size, bronze, and had a red and green ribbon with a white centre stripe. Antony

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Thanks again Anthony and that explains a lot for me. "Medal Hunter" appears to be in possession of my Granduncle William's medal and the Widows Penny is in William's family home in Cork.

Sean

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On this day the 12th May in the year 1918, WILLIAM RYAN from Cork was drowned together with thirty of his shipmates when at 4.20 a.m. the S.S. 'Inniscarra' (Cork) was torpedoed by the German Submarine U 86.

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