Denbigh Hussars Yeomanry

[daggers]

This may not be relevant, but in case of any interest, here is the CWGC record of

HARLEY, ROBERT ALEXANDER, Major, Royal Welsh Fusiliers, 24th (Denbighshire Yeomanry) Bn., 35, 19/10/1917, Son of Robert and Matilda Harley, of Liverpool; husband of Frances Cecilia Wilton Bloxsome (formerly Harley), of Estansia San Anselmo., La Colina F.C.S., Buenos Aires, South America.

His grave is in section 8 C.E. no.173 at Allerton Cemetery, Liverpool and is marked by an impressive monument, mainly a cross draped with a sword and belt.

The inscription states that he died at Southampton, and that his wife [who had married again] died in 1963.

I have a photo of the memorial.

D

[mcassell]

I remember seeing Captain Davidson's group and photograph collection at a medal fair in the 1990s - believe it was Liverpool Coin and Medal. The photo album, if I recall correctly, had photographs mostly of his Light Car Patrol service including his service at Fayoum during the Egyptian riots of early 1919. Captain Davidson won his MC at the capture of the Siwa Oasis in Egypt's Western Desert in February 1917. Hope this is of interest.

[rmcguirk]

I remember seeing Captain Davidson's group and photograph collection at a medal fair in the 1990s - believe it was Liverpool Coin and Medal. The photo album, if I recall correctly, had photographs mostly of his Light Car Patrol service including his service at Fayoum during the Egyptian riots of early 1919. Captain Davidson won his MC at the capture of the Siwa Oasis in Egypt's Western Desert in February 1917. Hope this is of interest.

Definitely of interest – thank you. Your recollection confirms that the photos are worth chasing for a project to do with Light Car Patrol history.

We have tracked the Davidson medals & photos through two sales, Christie's in 1992 and Liverpool Coin and Medal in the late 1990s, but have lost track of them after that. Apparently there is a possibility there are still photos with the family, so it may be that copies were made before the first sale. Hope to know soon...

Russell

[JefR]

Hi Hywyn, there is an other ranks enlistment book for the Denbigh Hussars Yeomanry. Again in ledger form with alphabetical tabs, from memory mans full name, his address and occupation on enlistment and his DY regimental number (I know these changed when they became 24th RWF).

I will post a copy page here for you to give you an idea of the format, later.

Nick.

Nick

I just stumbled upon your post of 29th Sept and its reference to an OR enlistment book for the Denbigh Hussars Yeomanry.

I'm looking for information to unravel the career of :-

1027 - Randolph William Giles - DHY

His number changed from 1027 to 215466 in 1917 and then to 288005 when he transferred to the Cheshire Regt also in 1917.

I would very much appreciate any information on him from the book if you have access to it, or if not, where it might be found.

With best regards

Jef

[Mrstocking]

Hi Jef the Other Ranks enlistment book is at the Hawarden Records Office, which will be under the Flintshire County Records website. I believe a lot of the records are now available online but think you will need to visit the records office for access to the ledger type book, I mention. If distance is restrictive let me know I can always do a bit of research for you as I live about 8 miles from Hawarden.

Nick.

Nick

I just stumbled upon your post of 29th Sept and its reference to an OR enlistment book for the Denbigh Hussars Yeomanry.

I'm looking for information to unravel the career of :-

1027 - Randolph William Giles - DHY

His number changed from 1027 to 215466 in 1917 and then to 288005 when he transferred to the Cheshire Regt also in 1917.

I would very much appreciate any information on him from the book if you have access to it, or if not, where it might be found.

With best regards

Jef

[Mrstocking]

Hi Russell, well at least my memory stood me in good stead. I hope the ad in Medal Monthly will produce some results. Owen Davidson told me there is only one photo with the family and that is the one of Davidson in uniform. I hope the medal group went to a collector and he/she will read the magazine ad!

Nick.

Definitely of interest – thank you. Your recollection confirms that the photos are worth chasing for a project to do with Light Car Patrol history.

We have tracked the Davidson medals & photos through two sales, Christie's in 1992 and Liverpool Coin and Medal in the late 1990s, but have lost track of them after that. Apparently there is a possibility there are still photos with the family, so it may be that copies were made before the first sale. Hope to know soon...

Russell

[Mrstocking]

Thanks for this interesting information. I have copies of the medal rolls for the officers of the Denbigh Yeomanry and Harley's name does not appear on it. I presume he was attached to the 24th from another regiment, a perusal of the Army Lists would prove useful. The reserve achive of the 24th Royal Welsh Fuslieirs is being moved from it's present home to Wrexham, or it might already have happened?

Nick.

This may not be relevant, but in case of any interest, here is the CWGC record of

HARLEY, ROBERT ALEXANDER, Major, Royal Welsh Fusiliers, 24th (Denbighshire Yeomanry) Bn., 35, 19/10/1917, Son of Robert and Matilda Harley, of Liverpool; husband of Frances Cecilia Wilton Bloxsome (formerly Harley), of Estansia San Anselmo., La Colina F.C.S., Buenos Aires, South America.

His grave is in section 8 C.E. no.173 at Allerton Cemetery, Liverpool and is marked by an impressive monument, mainly a cross draped with a sword and belt.

The inscription states that he died at Southampton, and that his wife [who had married again] died in 1963.

I have a photo of the memorial.

D

[clive_hughes]

I'm told the RWF archives are to be moved in about a month, give or take. They'll need to be sorted out at the other end after that as well, so don't hold your breath!

[JefR]

Hi Jef the Other Ranks enlistment book is at the Hawarden Records Office, which will be under the Flintshire County Records website. I believe a lot of the records are now available online but think you will need to visit the records office for access to the ledger type book, I mention. If distance is restrictive let me know I can always do a bit of research for you as I live about 8 miles from Hawarden.

Nick.

Nick

Re: 1027 - Randolph William Giles - Denbigshire Hussars Yeomanry

Many thanks for the lead. I've visited Hawarden Records Office a couple of times in the last few years researching other people, it's certainly one of the more scenic record office locations. I don't know when I might be in the area again - it's not worth making the trip from Durham just for this, I'd need to combine it with something else - but I'll keep your reference safe for when the occasion arises.

However, if ever you should find yourself in the archives with time to spare I'd gratefully take up your offer to riffle through the pages to see if he's there - but don't make a special trip on my behalf.

Best regards

Jef

[stevenbecker]

Mate,

I record these members of the Denbigh yeomanry with the ICC, the Denbigh men help form the 6th Company of the ICC;

Brassen (Brassey) Geofrey T 50382 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (5243) and Hussars

Burton Sidney Howard 2/Lt to Capt ICC Ex Cpl 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (378) to 24Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345022) to 5 Res Cav Regt

Carman Benjamin 51391 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (526) and Hussars

Davies John H 50384 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (5279) and Hussars to Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345459)

Davies William J 50383 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (3221) and Hussars

Evans E 50387 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (537) and Hussars

Evans Harry 50388 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (372) and Hussars

Evans Robert 50389 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (345197) and Hussars

Gross William R. 50391 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (3213) and Hussars

Gunter George F. 50390 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (552) and Hussars later Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345119)

Harris Joseph W. 51396 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (3230) and Hussars

Holburt John T. 50393 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (1412) and Hussars

Hughes Albert H. 50392 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (474) and Hussars later Royal Welsh Fusiliers (4184685)

Hughes John 50379 Cpl ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (413) and Hussars

Hughes Thomas 50409 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (1382) and Hussars

Jones Binuel 50394 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (650) and Hussars

Jones Frank 50397 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (50397) and Hussars

Jones Hugh 50396 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (433) and Hussars later Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345044)

Jones John 50398 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (586) and Royal Welsh Fusiliers (340146) later Royal Engineers (WR/195555)

Jones Thomas H 50439 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (2001) and Hussars

Jones Robert V. 50395 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (3153) and Hussars

Manning Charles H 50401 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (521) and Hussars

Nickson Robert L 50403 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (590) and Hussars

Pearson John A. 50405 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (1051) and Hussars to Royal Welsh Fusiliers (T345260) to Royal Engineers (456827)

Poyall George 50406 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (657) and Hussars

Richardson Griffith 50407 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (776) and Hussars to Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345205) to Royal Engineers (WR/193272)

Smith James 50408 Pte 10Co Ex Denbigh Yeo (1223) and Hussars

Thomas G. 50410 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (742) and Hussars

Vickers Alfred 50378 Cpl ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (697) and Hussars to Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345185) to Royal Engineers (WR/291088)

Waring Joseph E. 50411 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (1002) and Hussars

Whittaker Lawrence 50416 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (1240) and Hussars to Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345306)

Williams John 50414 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (701) and Hussars

Wright Lloyd 50415 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (357) and Hussars

S.B

[mcassell]

While looking at some old notes I made in the 1980s regarding Captain R.A. Davidson, I have a record of Captain Davidson and 6 other ranks of the Denbigh Yeomanry being posted to the Light Car Patrols on 25 January 1917. Unfortunately, I did not bother to note the source. The other ranks were (ranks at the time, I suppose):

5282 Private Harold Boon ( later 345461 RWF and 130817 MGC)

3231 Private Gillis Kent (later 345419 RWF and 130818 MGC)

3093 Sergeant Harry Kershaw (later 345378 RWF and 130819 MGC)

760 Corporal Thomas Henry Beck (later 345202 and 130820 MGC)

236 Sergeant William Daniel Roberts (later 345008 RWF and 130821 MGC)

419 Private Robert Wynne (later 345038 RWF and 130822 MGC)

The number changes are interesting as these men were not officially transferred and re-numbered in the MGC until early 1918, after they had already been officially re-mustered into the RWF on 1 March 1917. Private (later Gunner) Kent won the MM with the Captain Davidson's Light Car Patrol at the Siwa Oasis (345419 RWF attached LCP; London Gazette 17 April 1917) and was mentioned in dispatches for the same action (General Murray's 6 July 1917). Sergeant Kershaw was awarded the Meritorious Service Medal (LG 3 June 1919) while with 5 LCP, the only one to a member of the LCP and the only MSM to the MGC for the Egypt theatre. Sergeant Roberts was also mentioned in dispatches while in Palestine with 8 LCP (General Allenby's 5 June 1919).

Hope this is of interest.

[Mrstocking]

Wonderful! This is all new information. The War Diaries for the Denbighshire Yeomanry for 1918 (24th Royal Welsh Fusiliers) are virtually unreadable, the pencil is so light (possibly darkening the pages on a photocopier would help) but it seems from the information you provide a large number of DY men ended serving in the Machine Gun Corp, it makes me wonder if any served in Tanks? I summise the Army's thinking being well a car is mechanical and so is a machine gun! The awards of the MM and MSM are also interesting!

Nick

While looking at some old notes I made in the 1980s regarding Captain R.A. Davidson, I have a record of Captain Davidson and 6 other ranks of the Denbigh Yeomanry being posted to the Light Car Patrols on 25 January 1917. Unfortunately, I did not bother to note the source. The other ranks were (ranks at the time, I suppose):

5282 Private Harold Boon ( later 345461 RWF and 130817 MGC)

3231 Private Gillis Kent (later 345419 RWF and 130818 MGC)

3093 Sergeant Harry Kershaw (later 345378 RWF and 130819 MGC)

760 Corporal Thomas Henry Beck (later 345202 and 130820 MGC)

236 Sergeant William Daniel Roberts (later 345008 RWF and 130821 MGC)

419 Private Robert Wynne (later 345038 RWF and 130822 MGC)

The number changes are interesting as these men were not officially transferred and re-numbered in the MGC until early 1918, after they had already been officially re-mustered into the RWF on 1 March 1917. Private (later Gunner) Kent won the MM with the Captain Davidson's Light Car Patrol at the Siwa Oasis (345419 RWF attached LCP; London Gazette 17 April 1917) and was mentioned in dispatches for the same action (General Murray's 6 July 1917). Sergeant Kershaw was awarded the Meritorious Service Medal (LG 3 June 1919) while with 5 LCP, the only one to a member of the LCP and the only MSM to the MGC for the Egypt theatre. Sergeant Roberts was also mentioned in dispatches while in Palestine with 8 LCP (General Allenby's 5 June 1919).

Hope this is of interest.

[Mrstocking]

Thanks Steve, from horses to camels, again this is all new to me!. I am in the process of searching a family archive and hope at the end of it all to possibly write a book on an officer of the Denbigh Hussars Yeomanry (not Davidson!) and his Great War service. ALL this information is most helpful, thank you.

Nick

quote name='stevebecker' timestamp='1288860954' post='1496368']

Mate,

I record these members of the Denbigh yeomanry with the ICC, the Denbigh men help form the 6th Company of the ICC;

Brassen (Brassey) Geofrey T 50382 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (5243) and Hussars

Burton Sidney Howard 2/Lt to Capt ICC Ex Cpl 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (378) to 24Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345022) to 5 Res Cav Regt

Carman Benjamin 51391 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (526) and Hussars

Davies John H 50384 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (5279) and Hussars to Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345459)

Davies William J 50383 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (3221) and Hussars

Evans E 50387 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (537) and Hussars

Evans Harry 50388 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (372) and Hussars

Evans Robert 50389 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (345197) and Hussars

Gross William R. 50391 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (3213) and Hussars

Gunter George F. 50390 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (552) and Hussars later Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345119)

Harris Joseph W. 51396 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (3230) and Hussars

Holburt John T. 50393 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (1412) and Hussars

Hughes Albert H. 50392 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (474) and Hussars later Royal Welsh Fusiliers (4184685)

Hughes John 50379 Cpl ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (413) and Hussars

Hughes Thomas 50409 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (1382) and Hussars

Jones Binuel 50394 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (650) and Hussars

Jones Frank 50397 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (50397) and Hussars

Jones Hugh 50396 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (433) and Hussars later Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345044)

Jones John 50398 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (586) and Royal Welsh Fusiliers (340146) later Royal Engineers (WR/195555)

Jones Thomas H 50439 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (2001) and Hussars

Jones Robert V. 50395 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (3153) and Hussars

Manning Charles H 50401 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (521) and Hussars

Nickson Robert L 50403 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (590) and Hussars

Pearson John A. 50405 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (1051) and Hussars to Royal Welsh Fusiliers (T345260) to Royal Engineers (456827)

Poyall George 50406 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (657) and Hussars

Richardson Griffith 50407 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (776) and Hussars to Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345205) to Royal Engineers (WR/193272)

Smith James 50408 Pte 10Co Ex Denbigh Yeo (1223) and Hussars

Thomas G. 50410 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (742) and Hussars

Vickers Alfred 50378 Cpl ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (697) and Hussars to Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345185) to Royal Engineers (WR/291088)

Waring Joseph E. 50411 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (1002) and Hussars

Whittaker Lawrence 50416 Pte ICC? Ex Denbigh Yeo (1240) and Hussars to Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345306)

Williams John 50414 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (701) and Hussars

Wright Lloyd 50415 Pte ICC Ex Denbigh Yeo (357) and Hussars

S.B

[Hywyn]

Nick

Are you on A^ce^try?

In medals. Put Denb* tank* in the Regimenty field and you get a return of 7 men who saw service in both units.

Put Denb* machine* in and you return 44 men who saw service with both units and includes those six that GP provides above. Can't see any more in that 130xxx series

Note: I shouldn't think this will capture any on attachments but it gives a general gist.Neither does it capture a 27th RWF only man.

Hywyn

edit

I mean a 24th RWF man.

[rmcguirk]

Some wonderful new material here!!! I too would like to add my thanks to those who have contributed over the last week or so.

Russell

[Mrstocking]

Thanks Hywyn!

Nick

Are you on A^ce^try?

In medals. Put Denb* tank* in the Regimenty field and you get a return of 7 men who saw service in both units.

Put Denb* machine* in and you return 44 men who saw service with both units and includes those six that GP provides above. Can't see any more in that 130xxx series

Note: I shouldn't think this will capture any on attachments but it gives a general gist.Neither does it capture a 27th RWF only man.

Hywyn

edit

I mean a 24th RWF man.

[davidw2562]

Hi Nick,

I'm very new to researching WW1 but my grandfather on my dad's side was in the Denbighshire Yeomanry. He was Serjeant Isaac Waters number 3177. He was later Sgt 345393 in the Welsh Fusiliers and then returned to the Yeomanry as Sjt 340401. He finished his service in the ASC. Unfortunately I don't know much about his war service and his service record does not appear to have survived. His MIC shows he was awarded the BWM and Victory medals and the Territorial Forces War medal for voluntary service overseas. MIC shows qualifying area as 3 which I understand is Egypt. This would be correct as I remember seeing a large photograph of him on his horse in Egypt, I believe it was 1916. Unfortunately I don't know what happened to this or his medals. I continue my research and will pass on anything I get.

Regards, Dave

[Mrstocking]

Hi David, it is possible there would be some information in the Other Ranks Enlistment book, have you tried to find your grandfathers' medal index card? An ad in the Medal Monthly which has a special medal finding service might help re the medals.

Nick.

Hi Nick,

I'm very new to researching WW1 but my grandfather on my dad's side was in the Denbighshire Yeomanry. He was Serjeant Isaac Waters number 3177. He was later Sgt 345393 in the Welsh Fusiliers and then returned to the Yeomanry as Sjt 340401. He finished his service in the ASC. Unfortunately I don't know much about his war service and his service record does not appear to have survived. His MIC shows he was awarded the BWM and Victory medals and the Territorial Forces War medal for voluntary service overseas. MIC shows qualifying area as 3 which I understand is Egypt. This would be correct as I remember seeing a large photograph of him on his horse in Egypt, I believe it was 1916. Unfortunately I don't know what happened to this or his medals. I continue my research and will pass on anything I get.

Regards, Dave

[gaffa]

Hi Everyone,

My father Edwin Evan Williams was with RASC/ASC [T4/058342 Driver] during the above conflicts, Salonika, Egypt etc

His MIC states Egypt May 1915, [info from another forum stated that he was a replacement]. What I am trying to find out is his Company and to whome he was attached to during this period. Reading through the various information that has been written on this war I cannot work it out at present.

Regards

Gaffa

[Denbigh Hussar]

Another 2 photos which I believe are of 5065 William Henry Bloor. I don't know if you were aware that there were a number of related Bloor cards sold on ebay at the same time. The one you have Nick failed to sell first time around. Probably because there was apparently no i.d. on the card or badges visible.

[Mrstocking]

Thanks for the two photos, I was aware there were several Bloor photos for sale on Ebay, i have about 3 now and 2 other non-related Denbigh Yeomanry photos as well.

Nick

Another 2 photos which I believe are of 5065 William Henry Bloor. I don't know if you were aware that there were a number of related Bloor cards sold on ebay at the same time. The one you have Nick failed to sell first time around. Probably because there was apparently no i.d. on the card or badges visible.

[Denbigh Hussar]

While looking at some old notes I made in the 1980s regarding Captain R.A. Davidson, I have a record of Captain Davidson and 6 other ranks of the Denbigh Yeomanry being posted to the Light Car Patrols on 25 January 1917. Unfortunately, I did not bother to note the source. The other ranks were (ranks at the time, I suppose):

5282 Private Harold Boon ( later 345461 RWF and 130817 MGC)

3231 Private Gillis Kent (later 345419 RWF and 130818 MGC)

3093 Sergeant Harry Kershaw (later 345378 RWF and 130819 MGC)

760 Corporal Thomas Henry Beck (later 345202 and 130820 MGC)

236 Sergeant William Daniel Roberts (later 345008 RWF and 130821 MGC)

419 Private Robert Wynne (later 345038 RWF and 130822 MGC)

The number changes are interesting as these men were not officially transferred and re-numbered in the MGC until early 1918, after they had already been officially re-mustered into the RWF on 1 March 1917. Private (later Gunner) Kent won the MM with the Captain Davidson's Light Car Patrol at the Siwa Oasis (345419 RWF attached LCP; London Gazette 17 April 1917) and was mentioned in dispatches for the same action (General Murray's 6 July 1917). Sergeant Kershaw was awarded the Meritorious Service Medal (LG 3 June 1919) while with 5 LCP, the only one to a member of the LCP and the only MSM to the MGC for the Egypt theatre. Sergeant Roberts was also mentioned in dispatches while in Palestine with 8 LCP (General Allenby's 5 June 1919).

Hope this is of interest.

Hi,

this was of great interest! I looked through my Denbigh Yeomanry medals and realised I had medals for Kershaw and Wynne. Both men were entitled to a pair and a Territorial Force War Medal. Kershaw also received a SWBadge, but I had no idea about the MSM. Looking at their service numbers they must have followed each other to the RWF and then the MGC. In case there are any medals buffs out there I've attached the naming details.

D.H.I.Y.

[CarylW]

An interesting family connection I picked up whilst researching at the Hawarden records office:Rex Bloor DY regimental number 1163 enlisted on 15 November 1907. There is an interesting archive of real photo postcards which were used as missives between Rex and his wife, etc. His son William also served in the Denbigh Hussars Yeomanry, William Henry Bloor was a Sergeant with the regimental number 5065 at the outbreak of the Great War He was commissioned into the Royal Field Artillery and as a Captain was killed in action 3 January 1918.

This might interest you, from the Birkenhead News

"Aldermen Bloor's Sons

From Hoylake we have three soldier sons of Mr Alderman Bloor and Mrs Bloor of "Garswood" Curson-road. Mr William Henry Bloor, the second son, is a sergeant in the Denbighshire Hussars Yeomanry, at present stationed at Hedenham Norfolk. Mr W. H. Bloor has belonged to the Territorial Force for seven years and formed one of the bodyguard at the investiture of the Prince Of Wales at Caernarvon

Mr Arthur Norl Bloor, the third son, is a private in the 4th Battalion of the Cheshire Regiment at prsent billeted at Northampton. He has been a Territorial for a period of many years

Mr Reginald Percy Bloor, fourth son, is a trooper in the Denbighshire Hussars Yeomanry now at Hedenham, Norfolk. He joined the Territorials two years ago

"

Caryl

[Robert Roberts]

I have just come across this forum and I am much impressed by its contents.This is my first post and is yet another stage in pursuit of my father's service in the Great War.I have only the following facts-:

1. a photograph (undated) of my father in uniform which others have certified as the uniform of the Denbighshire Yeomanry and very likely taken at a pre-war training camp.

2.his Great War medals indicating his name (Robert Roberts 265933 Cpl. Royal Welsh Fusiliers)

3 another photograph (undated) which portrays him as a Warrant Officer with a wound stripe on his left sleeve and wearing a Sam Browne belt and a crown within wreath on the lower sleeve.

Hitherto I have put two and two together and assumed that my father entered the war with the Yeomanry and then went to the middle east and possibly also to France in 1918. I know that he had a severe bayonet wound to his upper right chest but I do not know when this took place but have assumed it was probably in the middle east.His medal card makes no reference to the Yeomanry and simply records him as a corporal with the Royal Welsh Fusiliers.

Can anybody help to verify my assumption? Thank you

[Hywyn]

Hi Kerfoot and welcome to the forum

Robert Roberts, 4 Greenfield Terr, Menai Bridge.

Robert would have enlisted in the 6th RWF on 16th or 17th November 1914. His number would have been 281x (I'll do a bit more work on this in a bit. Unless there is a medal card missing showing his 1914-15 Star (have you got it?) he did not go overseas until after 31/12/1915 and when he went he had a six digit RWF number. This means he went after the renumbering that took place in 1917

See

http://www.1914-1918.net/renumbering.htm

Now, although his number is within the 6th Bn numbering block it doesn't necessarily mean by that time he served with the 1st 6th (which was in Gallipoli and then Egypt/Palestine) There are quite a lot within this number group who were killed/wounded with the 'regular' battalions in France. Currently the only way of finding which battalion(s) he served (post going overseas) is to look up the actual medal Roll at Kew (the J/2/102 etc on his medal card)

He appears on a casualty (wounded) list dated 22/9/1917. The lists are usually some weeks after the event.

Hywyn

edit: insert correct caslist date