GreyC Posted 27 October , 2022 Share Posted 27 October , 2022 Thank you, Frogsmile, here a photo from my collection showing a Reichswehr soldier in training at Hannover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raster Scanning Posted 28 October , 2022 Share Posted 28 October , 2022 Two cards that belonged to and probably include Pte. A W Goodege, 13706, 7th Battalion Bedfordshire Regiment. The first shows them in 1914 while still in tents at Aldershot. The second shows cooks in Spring 1915 at Codford. Goodege was killed when a shell hit the battalion cook house 19-7-1916. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aodhdubh Posted 29 October , 2022 Share Posted 29 October , 2022 Although there's a tendency to identify Germans in the ancient world with seaborne raiders, fighting as infantry after landing from longboats, there was a tradition of fighting mounted which predates that period and the age of migration (before which, many of the tribes later associated with what is now the BRD, as well as parts of the low countries, modern France, Italy, et cet. were in Scandinavia) , which may be the source of the prevalence of the horse as an image in northern Germany...it is not just a symbol in heraldry...you'll find horseheads as architectural features on roofs, by example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_on_the_Ice_of_Lake_Vänern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorporalPunishment Posted 29 October , 2022 Share Posted 29 October , 2022 21 hours ago, Raster Scanning said: Two cards that belonged to and probably include Pte. A W Goodege, 13706, 7th Battalion Bedfordshire Regiment. The first shows them in 1914 while still in tents at Aldershot. The second shows cooks in Spring 1915 at Codford. Goodege was killed when a shell hit the battalion cook house 19-7-1916. Cooks???. Blimey, the bloke on the far right looks as though he's just carried out the full overhaul and servicing of a traction engine!!!. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 29 October , 2022 Share Posted 29 October , 2022 (edited) On 28/10/2022 at 20:42, Raster Scanning said: Two cards that belonged to and probably include Pte. A W Goodege, 13706, 7th Battalion Bedfordshire Regiment. The first shows them in 1914 while still in tents at Aldershot. The second shows cooks in Spring 1915 at Codford. Goodege was killed when a shell hit the battalion cook house 19-7-1916. Evocative photos with excellent resolution to reveal details. The thing that strikes me the most about the scene is the maturity of the men. It’s like a whole working community between the ages 25 and 35 in uniform. It also epitomises the shortage of insignia and modern uniform at the time, with the men reduced to wearing forage caps and scarlet frocks that have almost certainly come from the regimental depot and that before the war were used by soldiers walking-out from barracks. Depressingly, I’m 100% positive that if the U.K. were mobilised on the same scale as WW1 now, because of an escalation in the Ukraine situation, the exact same shortage would occur again. Think NHS PPE scandal, but on steroids. Edited 30 October , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raster Scanning Posted 30 October , 2022 Share Posted 30 October , 2022 9 hours ago, CorporalPunishment said: Cooks???. Blimey, the bloke on the far right looks as though he's just carried out the full overhaul and servicing of a traction engine!!!. Pete. Not a hair net in sight haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 30 October , 2022 Share Posted 30 October , 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Raster Scanning said: Not a hair net in sight haha What amazed me was their hands, those that are visible! When was the last time they actually washed them? Edited 30 October , 2022 by RNCVR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 30 October , 2022 Share Posted 30 October , 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, RNCVR said: What amazed me was their hands, those that are visible! When was the last time they actually washed them? I was wondering what was the purpose of the heavy looking gloves on the man seated centrally on the ground. Perhaps protection for an oven but they look quite incongruous in that setting, unless he’d just been called over directly from his oven to appear in the photo. Edited 30 October , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58 Div Mule Posted 30 October , 2022 Share Posted 30 October , 2022 There’s a pair of shovels on the floor in front of the chap with gloves. Indicative of an open fire or coal oven of some sort? And perhaps the two gents with ties/cravats standing left are mess waiters of some sort….. 58 DM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 30 October , 2022 Share Posted 30 October , 2022 42 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: I was wondering what was the purpose of the heavy looking gloves on the man seated centrally on the ground. Perhaps protection for an oven but they look quite incongruous in that setting, unless he’d just been called over directly from his oven to appear in the photo. A butcher perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 30 October , 2022 Share Posted 30 October , 2022 27 minutes ago, RNCVR said: A butcher perhaps? I thought it might be a butcher behind him stood over a block (in table form) brandishing a carving knife and steel (sharpener), but I’m not aware of butchers wearing protective gloves. 30 minutes ago, 58 Div Mule said: There’s a pair of shovels on the floor in front of the chap with gloves. Indicative of an open fire or coal oven of some sort? And perhaps the two gents with ties/cravats standing left are mess waiters of some sort….. 58 DM. Yes I suppose an oven might fit the bill but all speculative of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Atkins Posted 30 October , 2022 Share Posted 30 October , 2022 1 hour ago, FROGSMILE said: I thought it might be a butcher behind him stood over a block (in table form) brandishing a carving knife and steel (sharpener), but I’m not aware of butchers wearing protective gloves. You're right, I think: I started an apprenticeship as a butcher when I left school back in the early 80s, and gloves were never worn as they weaken the grip on the knife handle and thus risk accidents. Same when I came to work in the countryside e.g. hedgelaying and billhooks, axes, etc. (chainsaws, being an altogether more capricious tool, are an exception to this rule as you need the protection!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 30 October , 2022 Share Posted 30 October , 2022 1 hour ago, Pat Atkins said: You're right, I think: I started an apprenticeship as a butcher when I left school back in the early 80s, and gloves were never worn as they weaken the grip on the knife handle and thus risk accidents. Same when I came to work in the countryside e.g. hedgelaying and billhooks, axes, etc. (chainsaws, being an altogether more capricious tool, are an exception to this rule as you need the protection!) Butchers and slaughter-men now often wear a chainmail glove on the non knife hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Atkins Posted 30 October , 2022 Share Posted 30 October , 2022 Interesting - don't recall those from back in the day, but it seems a reasonable precaution! I saw a couple of really nasty accidents in the less-than-a-year it took me to fail as an apprentice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 30 October , 2022 Share Posted 30 October , 2022 7 minutes ago, Pat Atkins said: Interesting - don't recall those from back in the day, but it seems a reasonable precaution! I saw a couple of really nasty accidents in the less-than-a-year it took me to fail as an apprentice. The thing with a boning knife is, it does exactly what it says on the tin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Atkins Posted 30 October , 2022 Share Posted 30 October , 2022 1 minute ago, GWF1967 said: The thing with a boning knife is, it does exactly what it says on the tin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 30 October , 2022 Share Posted 30 October , 2022 Times have changed I think. My maternal grandfather established a large butcher’s shop in Camberwell (one of few family members not a soldier, although he joined a VB), that as a boy I visited regularly in the 1960s. Not one of the staff ever wore gloves as I watched them chop and fillet. It’s all to do with modern health and safety at work regulations I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 30 October , 2022 Share Posted 30 October , 2022 "615 Coy M.T. R.A.S.C. " Front row right, has overseas service stripes, but no medal ribbons, the man to his left has medal ribbons and wound stripes, but no o/s stripes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorporalPunishment Posted 31 October , 2022 Share Posted 31 October , 2022 47 minutes ago, GWF1967 said: "615 Coy M.T. R.A.S.C. " Front row right, has overseas service stripes, but no medal ribbons, the man to his left has medal ribbons and wound stripes, but no o/s stripes. The man front row far right is wearing the ribbon of the BWM. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raster Scanning Posted 31 October , 2022 Share Posted 31 October , 2022 16 hours ago, FROGSMILE said: I was wondering what was the purpose of the heavy looking gloves on the man seated centrally on the ground. Perhaps protection for an oven but they look quite incongruous in that setting, unless he’d just been called over directly from his oven to appear in the photo. On my part I was speculating a little on this picture. The picture came with the collection of Pte. Goodege who was a Cook (or at least worked in the cookhouse). He was mortally wounded when the battalion cookhouse was shelled in 1916. I also noted the man with the carving knife and steel, the man with the skillet and another with the draining ladle and the chopping table, along with the cutlery and crockery. I thought the gloves were for when they were removing hot pans off the cooker? I have some questions. Does anyone recognize what the man seated second left is holding? At least one man is wearing civilian clothes (this was taken long after the battalion had uniform shortages) Mess waiter as has been suggested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjohn Posted 31 October , 2022 Share Posted 31 October , 2022 Looks like a rolling pin, or the roller for the old type of roller towel, the end fitted in a hole on one end and a slot on the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raster Scanning Posted 31 October , 2022 Share Posted 31 October , 2022 2 hours ago, bigjohn said: Looks like a rolling pin, or the roller for the old type of roller towel, the end fitted in a hole on one end and a slot on the other. I wondered about a rolling pin but thought making pastry was maybe a bit too fancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 31 October , 2022 Share Posted 31 October , 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Raster Scanning said: On my part I was speculating a little on this picture. The picture came with the collection of Pte. Goodege who was a Cook (or at least worked in the cookhouse). He was mortally wounded when the battalion cookhouse was shelled in 1916. I also noted the man with the carving knife and steel, the man with the skillet and another with the draining ladle and the chopping table, along with the cutlery and crockery. I thought the gloves were for when they were removing hot pans off the cooker? I have some questions. Does anyone recognize what the man seated second left is holding? At least one man is wearing civilian clothes (this was taken long after the battalion had uniform shortages) Mess waiter as has been suggested? Yes the gloves might well be for removing hot pans from on top of a grill/burner and removing trays etc from an earth oven (Aldershot Oven). The shovels at the front were used for constructing the ovens devised for the Army by Alexis Soyer. I agree with others that the object in the seated man’s hand might be a rolling pin. Pastry was sometimes made for pie tops using bulk supplied flour and lard. The man in civilian clothes is quite mature to be a waiter (usually the role of younger men) and I think he’s more likely to be the canteen manager. Each battalion usually engaged one of these when serving at home, or overseas in peacetime. They were often pensioner sergeants and so well over the age of 40. Profits went to the Regimental Institute (PRI) and to pay his small salary, which supplemented his pension. Edited 31 October , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry B Posted 1 November , 2022 Share Posted 1 November , 2022 1909 dated photo PC of the two colours of the Brecknockshire BN of the South wales Borderers. Nice details of the two flags and the insignia on the uniforms closes up for those interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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