Jools mckenna Posted 26 July , 2019 Share Posted 26 July , 2019 4 minutes ago, elliot#1 said: A nice clear image thanks for sharing, but it's Essex Regiment God, I better get better at recognising cap badges soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 26 July , 2019 Share Posted 26 July , 2019 (edited) RAMC (Quite nice studio background) Edited 26 July , 2019 by Jools mckenna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan24 Posted 26 July , 2019 Share Posted 26 July , 2019 36 minutes ago, Jools mckenna said: RAMC (Quite nice studio background) Not wearing his Red Cross badge on the arm. Was the badge part of the uniform or only awarded after passing a 'test' of some kind? Where was the photo taken? RAMC Depot Blackpool? Here's a family member in similar background taken in Winchester Sept 1918 just before going overseas to Camiers, France. Regards Alan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 26 July , 2019 Share Posted 26 July , 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Alan24 said: Where was the photo taken? RAMC Depot Blackpool? The only thing written on it is "With love from Charles ??????" Is the last bit a date? Edited 26 July , 2019 by Jools mckenna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainfleet Posted 26 July , 2019 Share Posted 26 July , 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Jools mckenna said: Suffolk regiment with a Lyre badge, 2 good conduct stripes, Signalers trade badge and a wound strip. Uncommon to see photographic evidence of the enamelled signaller badge worn in wartime. Edited 26 July , 2019 by wainfleet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 26 July , 2019 Share Posted 26 July , 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Alan24 said: Not wearing his Red Cross badge on the arm. Was the badge part of the uniform or only awarded after passing a 'test' of some kind? Where was the photo taken? RAMC Depot Blackpool? Here's a family member in similar background taken in Winchester Sept 1918 just before going overseas to Camiers, France. Regards Alan. The badge was worn by all RAMC other ranks (i.e. below commissioned officer) once trained, as an Internationally recognised mark of their specialisation. The man without badges has presumably not yet been able to obtain them. Before the war they also had either one or two cherry coloured rings around their cuffs to mark 1st and 2nd Class orderlies. Edited 26 July , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 26 July , 2019 Share Posted 26 July , 2019 The cherry red rings are very very rarely seen in photographs ......... I only have ONE such group photo. I wonder why they are so rarely seen? Incidentally, RAMC War Estabs [such as a Field Hospital] identify "orderlies" and "stretcher bearers". I wonder if the latter were trained orderlies or in some way junior and thus not to wear the rings? {Much as RE had sappers and pioneers, both privates but sappers senior] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 26 July , 2019 Share Posted 26 July , 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jools mckenna said: Is the last bit a date? I see either Apl 20/14 or Cept 20/14 Edited 26 July , 2019 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 26 July , 2019 Share Posted 26 July , 2019 Dear All, Does anyone have the original of this Postcard: or, indeed, know anything about the AIF troops On Parade? Note the two Australian officers wearing their MC ribbons... Kindest regards, Kim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 26 July , 2019 Share Posted 26 July , 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Muerrisch said: The cherry red rings are very very rarely seen in photographs ......... I only have ONE such group photo. I wonder why they are so rarely seen? Incidentally, RAMC War Estabs [such as a Field Hospital] identify "orderlies" and "stretcher bearers". I wonder if the latter were trained orderlies or in some way junior and thus not to wear the rings? {Much as RE had sappers and pioneers, both privates but sappers senior] I don’t think that the cherry rings were ever formally authorised for drab uniform, Muerrisch, I was referring to pre-war blue undress. Ergo I imagine that sightings in drab must necessarily be quite rare. I understand that the rings related specifically to orderlies, so I don’t know if that was extended to trained RAMC stretcher bearers. Edited 26 July , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 26 July , 2019 Share Posted 26 July , 2019 4 hours ago, FROGSMILE said: I don’t think that the cherry rings were ever formally authorised for drab uniform, Muerrisch, I was referring to pre-war blue undress. Ergo I imagine that sightings in drab must necessarily be quite rare. I understand that the rings related specifically to orderlies, so I don’t know if that was extended to trained RAMC stretcher bearers. Thank you. My only sighting: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 26 July , 2019 Share Posted 26 July , 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Muerrisch said: Thank you. My only sighting: Thank you, that is the only incidence that I have ever seen too. I imagine that they were either initially authorised for drab but then abolished, or were simply mistakenly worn in a few isolated units. Perhaps there is an order somewhere in the archives referring to the matter. Thank you for posting. Edited 26 July , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 26 July , 2019 Share Posted 26 July , 2019 Dear All, No interest in the Anzacs? Not even a 'didn't they look magnificent', or some such? Kindest regards, Kim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 26 July , 2019 Share Posted 26 July , 2019 34 minutes ago, Kimberley John Lindsay said: Dear All, No interest in the Anzacs? Not even a 'didn't they look magnificent', or some such? Kindest regards, Kim. ANZACS always looked magnificent on parade. ‘Bantams’ they were not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 27 July , 2019 Share Posted 27 July , 2019 Just been donated to the archive at work, with some related material. The W Yorks were at Gallipoli & so was REWA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Atkins Posted 27 July , 2019 Share Posted 27 July , 2019 5 hours ago, Kimberley John Lindsay said: Dear All, No interest in the Anzacs? Not even a 'didn't they look magnificent', or some such? Kindest regards, Kim. Actually, I had that very thought when I opened the thread just now Kim - they do look very impressive indeed. Brings to mind the Duke of Wellington's (alleged) "... but by God, they terrify me!". Continuing the ducal theme, Churchill claimed the Duke's only stated regret was "I should have given more praise". Well, after The Ashes of course... Cheers, Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robins2 Posted 27 July , 2019 Share Posted 27 July , 2019 9 hours ago, Muerrisch said: Thank you. My only sighting: what are the two dark stripes on the right arm of the chap sitting far left and the one standing right side?? also one standing rear regards Bob R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tullybrone Posted 27 July , 2019 Share Posted 27 July , 2019 15 hours ago, FROGSMILE said: I don’t think that the cherry rings were ever formally authorised for drab uniform, Muerrisch, I was referring to pre-war blue undress. Ergo I imagine that sightings in drab must necessarily be quite rare. I understand that the rings related specifically to orderlies, so I don’t know if that was extended to trained RAMC stretcher bearers. 57 minutes ago, robins2 said: what are the two dark stripes on the right arm of the chap sitting far left and the one standing right side?? also one standing rear regards Bob R. Hi, I think the answer to your query was posted (my bold type) earlier up thread”? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovetown Posted 27 July , 2019 Share Posted 27 July , 2019 On 20/07/2019 at 17:29, Jools mckenna said: Could anyone tell me when this pattern of Arm eagle was adopted. "The Bird in red silk on both sleeves" will be worn by "warrant officers 2nd class, NCOs and men" is in the text of Air Force Memorandum No. 2, April 1918, the AFM more widely promulgated by AMMO 162, May 1st 1918. The jacket in the image seems to have compressed leather buttons which, along with pointed pocket flaps, makes in the second pattern of RAF serge service dress, introduced in October 1918. To my eyes, the eagle's head appears to be (incorrectly) facing forward, and the rectangular backing trimmed. According to Andrew Cormack in British Air Forces 1914-1918 Vol. 2, this practice of forward facing and trimming the badge is associated with former members of the RNAS. Cheers, GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 27 July , 2019 Share Posted 27 July , 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Grovetown said: The jacket in the image seems to have compressed leather buttons which, along with pointed pocket flaps, makes in the second pattern of RAF serge service dress, introduced in October 1918 The buttons aren't leather as they have the eagle and crown on them. It just my scanner being bad. Also thanks G.T. for date, the image and an explanation for the eagle being trimmed. Edited 27 July , 2019 by Jools mckenna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 27 July , 2019 Share Posted 27 July , 2019 6 hours ago, tullybrone said: Hi, I think the answer to your query was posted (my bold type) earlier up thread”? Steve Clothing Regs 1914 are definitive in intent: the cherry rings were indeed to be worn on the service dress jacket [also authorised for tunic and frock]. So the strange thing is lack of wearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 27 July , 2019 Share Posted 27 July , 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Muerrisch said: Clothing Regs 1914 are definitive in intent: the cherry rings were indeed to be worn on the service dress jacket [also authorised for tunic and frock]. So the strange thing is lack of wearing. It’s good to have that cleared up definitively Muerrisch, it seems then that an order must have been given rescinding the wear of the rings at some point, probably after the declaration of war. It would have been a real pain for tailoring staff to deal with, especially during the initial SD shortages. I wonder if the RAMC Museum has anything about it. Edited 27 July , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovetown Posted 27 July , 2019 Share Posted 27 July , 2019 22 minutes ago, Jools mckenna said: The buttons aren't leather as they have the eagle and crown on them. It just my scanner being bad. Also thanks G.T. for date, the image and an explanation for the eagle being trimmed. The compressed leather buttons were moulded with the eagle and crown design on them. Cheers, GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickjam Posted 27 July , 2019 Share Posted 27 July , 2019 On 26/07/2019 at 16:50, Kimberley John Lindsay said: Dear All, Does anyone have the original of this Postcard: or, indeed, know anything about the AIF troops On Parade? Note the two Australian officers wearing their MC ribbons... Kindest regards, Kim. Does anybody know what battalions were present at this victory march, as my grandfather was with the 16th battalion aif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 27 July , 2019 Share Posted 27 July , 2019 2 hours ago, Grovetown said: The compressed leather buttons were moulded with the eagle and crown design on them. Cheers, GT. Well, you learn something new everyday then! Thanks G.T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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