Dragoon Posted 14 May , 2019 Share Posted 14 May , 2019 8 hours ago, FROGSMILE said: In the Colour image pistol order is on the right. In the two photos (one including the Prince of Wales) the pistol is worn tucked right around on the right hip and the supporting brace is clear. Armband is on the right upper arm. Balancing the pistol holster is a small ammunition pouch on the opposite side of the waist belt. In the second photo we see the initial securing of prisoners of war, a military police role. Excellent as usual FROGSMILE, thank you, appreciated Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted 14 May , 2019 Share Posted 14 May , 2019 19 hours ago, Toby Brayley said: It was indeed, it is the typical MMP tack setup also. If he is a probationer or a "lent man" its a rather rare picture indeed, certainly all the clues point to him being so. It is not uncommon for the Infantry to transfer into the MMP rather than MFP. So far, fifteen men of the North Staffs have been identified as transferring into the MMP. Five of them on 1st October 1916, and the rest from late 1918 to 1919. He could, of course have been one of those attached rather than transferred. As would be expected, a higher number (more than 60) men of the North Staffs were transferred into the MFP. Cheers, Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave1418 Posted 14 May , 2019 Share Posted 14 May , 2019 On 13/05/2019 at 17:47, Dragoon said: He appears to be wearing a leather cross belt or Sam brown type belt over his left shoulder, is this another clue to the MMP side of things? Chris Hi Chris its a strap supporting pistol which came on the list of changes on 15. However they are earlier images of it around. It’s generally 3/4 inch wide with either a steel roller buckle or brass buckle of varying styles. The section which goes through the belt loop on the pistol case is thinned and blocked into a round section for about 4-6 inches. Images can be seen with it going through the belt loop when the case is worn on the belt so it sits high on the hip and others with the case hanging on the strap and the strap going under the belt. Toby and I both have various images of both being worn. regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 14 May , 2019 Share Posted 14 May , 2019 Royal Marine and Royal Marine Artillery. The same studio as the KRRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 14 May , 2019 Share Posted 14 May , 2019 Should that not be Royal Marine Light Infantry and Royal Marine Artillery? I thought they merged to become the Royal Marine corps in 1923. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 14 May , 2019 Share Posted 14 May , 2019 2 hours ago, Jools mckenna said: Royal Marine and Royal Marine Artillery. 4 minutes ago, seaJane said: Should that not be Royal Marine Light Infantry Sorry, I meant RMLI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 14 May , 2019 Share Posted 14 May , 2019 I thought it was probably a slip like that, seemed unlikely you would get it wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoon Posted 14 May , 2019 Share Posted 14 May , 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Dave1418 said: Hi Chris its a strap supporting pistol which came on the list of changes on 15. However they are earlier images of it around. It’s generally 3/4 inch wide with either a steel roller buckle or brass buckle of varying styles. The section which goes through the belt loop on the pistol case is thinned and blocked into a round section for about 4-6 inches. Images can be seen with it going through the belt loop when the case is worn on the belt so it sits high on the hip and others with the case hanging on the strap and the strap going under the belt. Toby and I both have various images of both being worn. regards Super detail Dave, thank you. Every day is a school day on this site! FROGSMILE has done some images above, if it's ok with you could you PM some images explaining the differences, so it's not too much off topic on the postcards side of things Cheers Chris Edited 14 May , 2019 by Dragoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 15 May , 2019 Share Posted 15 May , 2019 Royal Engineer signaler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarke Posted 17 May , 2019 Share Posted 17 May , 2019 Royal Fusiliers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 18 May , 2019 Share Posted 18 May , 2019 I'm not sure which HMS London(or maybe they all happen to be from London) this photo is from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 18 May , 2019 Share Posted 18 May , 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jools mckenna said: I'm not sure which HMS London(or maybe they all happen to be from London) this photo is from. It’s fun to try and pick out the Marines, both RMA and RMLI in amongst the group, all wearing Brodrick caps with white ‘Summer’ covers. As regards London, I wonder if it was a photo produced as an interest piece for a London focused periodical. Edited 18 May , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 18 May , 2019 Share Posted 18 May , 2019 There certainly was an HMS LONDON (1899), lead ship of the LONDON class of battleships. To me it looks more like an impromptu crew photo than a selection of London citizens - that stoker in the front looks as if he's been hauled straight from the engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 19 May , 2019 Share Posted 19 May , 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, seaJane said: There certainly was an HMS LONDON (1899), lead ship of the LONDON class of battleships. To me it looks more like an impromptu crew photo than a selection of London citizens - that stoker in the front looks as if he's been hauled straight from the engines. You could well be right SeaJane. If we can blow the photo up enough we might be able to read a cap tally. Edited 19 May , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Black Posted 19 May , 2019 Share Posted 19 May , 2019 The gent at top centre with arm round the gun has his other arm in a sling under his jacket. No days off on the sick in the Navy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 20 May , 2019 Share Posted 20 May , 2019 Dear All, Here are Postcards or Prints which document the metamorphosis of a Corporal, No. 1088, to Officer. He (Sidney Boddy), had been a pre-War volunteer with the Queens Westminster Rifles, and was an Old Contemptible (wounded, 1/16 Londons), shown in France with two friends.. Following recovery, he was commissioned 29 Sep 1915 into the 3/5 E. Surrey Regt., training soldiers for the Front and introduced to the Horse. Even later, he joined the IARO in 1918 and saw service with 2/94 Russell's Infantry in Waziristan and Persia... Kindest regards, Kim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoon Posted 20 May , 2019 Share Posted 20 May , 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Kimberley John Lindsay said: Dear All, Here are Postcards or Prints which document the metamorphosis of a Corporal, No. 1088, to Officer. He (Sidney Boddy), had been a pre-War volunteer with the Queens Westminster Rifles, and was an Old Contemptible (wounded, 1/16 Londons), shown in France with two friends.. Following recovery, he was commissioned 29 Sep 1915 into the 3/5 E. Surrey Regt., training soldiers for the Front and introduced to the Horse. Even later, he joined the IARO in 1918 Superb Kim! Thank you for sharing. Chris PS: I'm surprised he's not wearing his Star medal ribbon Edited 20 May , 2019 by Dragoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Atkins Posted 20 May , 2019 Share Posted 20 May , 2019 Great set of pictures, interesting to see a story told so to speak; thanks for putting them up. Those East Surrey collar dogs look huge, for some reason. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 20 May , 2019 Share Posted 20 May , 2019 (edited) It’s odd that he served only with a 3rd line TF infantry battalion after recovering from wounds, suggesting a low medical grading, and yet was subsequently able to serve actively with an Indian unit, which suggests a good recovery given the demanding nature of frontier campaigning. Also nary a sign of a wound stripe, or medal ribbon, as Chris has pointed out. I’m not implying that there’s anything awry, just that it seems odd. More to learn about him methinks. Edited 20 May , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 20 May , 2019 Share Posted 20 May , 2019 4 hours ago, Dragoon said: Superb Kim! Thank you for sharing. Chris PS: I'm surprised he's not wearing his Star medal ribbon Several VERY rare scout badges, India Pattern, worn at HOME. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoon Posted 20 May , 2019 Share Posted 20 May , 2019 I can see a wound stripe on the photos of him in his Service dress, but not in the bottom photo in India. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 20 May , 2019 Share Posted 20 May , 2019 2 hours ago, Dragoon said: I can see a wound stripe on the photos of him in his Service dress, but not in the bottom photo in India. Chris Yes, you’re right, it’s a poor view of it but like you I can just about see it on his SD as a captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoon Posted 20 May , 2019 Share Posted 20 May , 2019 I am surprised he is not wearing his 1914 Star or Mons Star ribbon, Kim says he was an Old Contemptible, they wore the ribbons with pride. Still, a great set of photos! Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 20 May , 2019 Share Posted 20 May , 2019 (edited) Dear All, The story ended rather sadly, which is why I did not initially include it. However, the sequel answers some of the questions posed by members. After the end of the Great War and campaigning in Waziristan and Persia, Sidney Boddy ended up in Rawalpindi. There a 2/94 Russell's Infantry officers group photo was taken in 1919. The gentlemen wore various bits of ribbons (including the MC worn by an unidentified recipient) - and with Capt Boddy wearing his 14 Star ribbon. This latter had been belatedly authorised some time in 1918. Capt Boddy, IARO, was "Released" as late as 31 December 1919 and returned to his wife and family. However, in India he had caught a disease with a long incubation time. This manifested itself years later in the UK and he died prematurely under particularly distressing circumstances... Kindest regards, Kim. Edited 20 May , 2019 by Kimberley John Lindsay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoon Posted 21 May , 2019 Share Posted 21 May , 2019 6 hours ago, Kimberley John Lindsay said: Dear All, The story ended rather sadly, which is why I did not initially include it. However, the sequel answers some of the questions posed by members. After the end of the Great War and campaigning in Waziristan and Persia, Sidney Boddy ended up in Rawalpindi. There a 2/94 Russell's Infantry officers group photo was taken in 1919. The gentlemen wore various bits of ribbons (including the MC worn by an unidentified recipient) - and with Capt Boddy wearing his 14 Star ribbon. This latter had been belatedly authorised some time in 1918. Capt Boddy, IARO, was "Released" as late as 31 December 1919 and returned to his wife and family. However, in India he had caught a disease with a long incubation time. This manifested itself years later in the UK and he died prematurely under particularly distressing circumstances... Kindest regards, Kim. Thank you Kim for sharing, What a sad sad ending to Sidney's life, and how awful for his family. Sadly, so many men returned home from the horrors of war only to be struck down by some horrible disease. It makes sense now the 14 Star, he had to claim it because someone said he's wasn't entitled to it, I'm glad he won his battle for that. Fantastic last photo, a superb story, thank you again Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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